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On 07/01/2021 at 23:07, Sprrite said:

In regards to the mumsnet thread linked above. My opinion is that long term buying is better than renting. One comment summed it up quite well by stating that mortgage payments reduce over time whilst rent traditionally increases.

I know there will be housing repair costs to factor in but the security of having your own home counters this imo.

Agree......always has been the case long-term.......the difference now is certain places are no longer value for money so there will be a devaluation........but if not selling only paper value, things balance out over time. Some will find they may be stuck living in a place for longer, no longer a get rich quick scheme easy to get out of.....in it now for the long-term unless prepared to ajust perceptions and expectations for what could be a better quality of life......less is more.;)

 

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On 09/01/2021 at 03:18, Buffer Bear said:

It's all sorted.  The OP paid 17.5k with no over clause but no new kitchen either. Sounds like a reasonable outcome based on her wants.

Essentially paying £17.5k over, for what they thought they were getting originally. I'd feel sick.

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2 hours ago, Mancunian284 said:

Sounds like a government troll to gauge sentiment. 

 

Vendor and seller need to accept 3% less because its the vendor getting the best deal... If they even exists 

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On 12/01/2021 at 06:26, nome said:

On tax credits and looking to buy a half a million pound house, clown world....

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/4128745-Getting-mortgage-with-low-salary-but-large-amount-of-equity

She has probably gained more equity on her house than she has earned in her entire life from work.

Which speaks volumes about the problem with the entire ponzi scheme.

What chance of secure shelter for someone starting out today on minimum wage?

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It gets to me a bit that they don't understand affordability criteria. 

That said it can get nonsensical at times if applying for a small mortgage on a low income where repayments would be pretty low regardless whether rates rose or not, certainly when average rents are taken into account.

Imagine paying £700/month in rent for years to then be told that you can't afford £200 in monthly mortgage repayments because of a distant possibility that rates might quadruple, like hit around 12%...

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1 hour ago, spacedin said:

It gets to me a bit that they don't understand affordability criteria. 

 

It wasn't so much her lack of understanding of the affordability criteria that made me post that in the first place... more the fact that someone who obviously has a huge amount of property equity and possibly other capital/assets, plus god knows how much in maintenance payments (which are disregarded in tax credit claims) can be looking to buy a half a million pound house whilst still being entitled to tax credits.

Someone could be living in a million pound house, driving around in a Ferrari, getting £2,000 a week in child maintenance.... and they'd still be quite legitimately able to claim tax credits. 

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19 minutes ago, simon2 said:

This might be an interesting one to track.

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/property/4140959-if-you-sold-your-house-for-less-than-you-paid-how-much-did-you-lose

Don't think sentiment has changed though and if anything is still well bullish.

Bought my flat for 305 four years ago and current selling for 287.

London/SE. HTB.

 

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Inase it gets pulled. The only thing worse than Trump is someone saying HP fall...)

New build 9 years ago. Sold this month for 5k less than we paid. We had spent around £20-25k on improvements, I would say. So we lost £5k on sold prices but a lot more if you add the improvements we had made.

Id guess theyve lost a lot more than that 5k. Theres the IR used to pay the mortgage, which could be pretty high - 5k-10k a year.

The number of people I know who go - 'We made <big sum> on this house.

Then go crestfallen when I ask them to discount IR paid.

Love, send this calculator back to Casio. It says weve lost money ...

 

 

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OMFG! Heretic!!!


We bought our house for £7250 over fifty years ago so obviously it’s worth a lot more than we paid (even at 15% interest) but relatively, we haven’t made a lot of money on it if we want to move within the area.

 

You can only 'make' money is you massive downsize or move to a much cheaper area.

Taking on a very large mortgage to play that game is goign to go wrong.

 

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1 hour ago, spyguy said:

OMFG! Heretic!!!


We bought our house for £7250 over fifty years ago so obviously it’s worth a lot more than we paid (even at 15% interest) but relatively, we haven’t made a lot of money on it if we want to move within the area.

 

You can only 'make' money is you massive downsize or move to a much cheaper area.

Taking on a very large mortgage to play that game is goign to go wrong.

 

Eh? Sell the house and live in rented accommodation like a king for retirement.

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2 hours ago, spyguy said:

OMFG! Heretic!!!


We bought our house for £7250 over fifty years ago so obviously it’s worth a lot more than we paid (even at 15% interest) but relatively, we haven’t made a lot of money on it if we want to move within the area.

 

You can only 'make' money is you massive downsize or move to a much cheaper area.

Taking on a very large mortgage to play that game is goign to go wrong.

 

so they lived for years and years mortgage free as the value of the mortgage inflated away to less than a months pay.

So they have actually made serious serious savings, so might as well call that massive profit.

Living rent and mortgage free for years is a massive bonus. Yes they may not have the £400k lump sum as they live in their house, and cant sell, but over a lifetime they had say £1m of saved costs.

Yet they still say they have not made any profit due to not having an additional £400k lump on top of it, its just greed. 

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On 1/15/2021 at 1:01 AM, MARTINX9 said:

She has probably gained more equity on her house than she has earned in her entire life from work.

Yes 

4 hours ago, jiltedjen said:

So they have actually made serious serious savings, so might as well call that massive profit.

Where is the profit?  If you buy a house and it goes up in value everything else has gone up - unless you want to sell up and live in a tent.

They made a financial decision that worked out for them. 

4 hours ago, jiltedjen said:

Living rent and mortgage free for years is a massive bonus. Yes they may not have the £400k lump sum as they live in their house, and cant sell, but over a lifetime they had say £1m of saved costs.

Yes that is the advantage of buying a house. At the end of the mortgage term you own it and do not pay rent/mortgage.

What do you expect for them to apologise to you for buying a house when they could? Should anyone who has own a house with no mortgage have to apologise. 

I do not agree that they should. get tax credits however. 

 

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We bought our first flat in London for £287k in 2007/2008 (can't remember) just before prices plummeted.

We sold for £250k in 2012, so lost £37k (plus all the £s spent on new bathroom and replastering hideous artex walls).

BUT house prices had fallen everywhere. And actually if we hadn't sold then we would have very quickly been priced out of the town we moved to (commuter town outside London).

It does feel a bit galling when I think hard about it but really it's swings and roundabouts with house prices...

 

LOL 

excellent the same year i sold they bought 

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