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51 minutes ago, Si1 said:

Well I emailed my Labour MP to say much the same and got no reply. She is a boomer property VI and a friend of Gordon Brown though.

Of the Champagne socialist kind.

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52 minutes ago, Si1 said:

Well I emailed my Labour MP to say much the same and got no reply. She is a boomer property VI and a friend of Gordon Brown though.

In my previous correspondence with my Tory MP, he refused to discuss the matter any more because I was apparently clearly copy and pasting a Shelter press release (I wasn't).

Gives me an idea for a thread - posters contact their MPs about house price inflation during the pandemic and post their response.

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6 minutes ago, rantnrave said:

In my previous correspondence with my Tory MP, he refused to discuss the matter any more because I was apparently clearly copy and pasting a Shelter press release (I wasn't).

Gives me an idea for a thread - posters contact their MPs about house price inflation during the pandemic and post their response.

Of the upper class champagne toff kind.

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1 hour ago, msi said:

The tories handled the 90s property crash abysmally and were slaughtered by NuLabour.  They are repeating the mistake by burying their head.  If they grasped the nettle and showed how housing worked for a new generation, they would get the next 20 years in power.

 

Actually I think HTB was their flaw, they could have just built and let prices crash and blame in on Brown.

Now they are in a hole of their own making.

 

1 hour ago, zugzwang said:

The rot set in after 2012. It's been downhill ever since.

This website started long before 2012.

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2 hours ago, msi said:

The tories handled the 90s property crash abysmally and were slaughtered by NuLabour.  They are repeating the mistake by burying their head.  If they grasped the nettle and showed how housing worked for a new generation, they would get the next 20 years in power.

 

Honestly I can see more spiffing wheezes coming from BJ and Richi Rich, 50k or 100k weekly lotto payouts for a few thousand FTBs would not surprise me 

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2 minutes ago, satsuma said:

Honestly I can see more spiffing wheezes coming from BJ and Richi Rich, 50k or 100k weekly lotto payouts for a few thousand FTBs would not surprise me 

With this sh*tshow of a Government, it's more a case of 'what prop is next'?  So much for the 'frugal' Tory party; If I wanted a TaxNSpend party, I'd go full Corbyn and get the NHS, Schools, and Policed funded well.

My guess of props:

  • Furlough extension to Jan 2022 - if there is a 4th wave and lock down
  • UK FannieMae to backstop insane lending
  • 'Gifted' Deposits (some sort of matching)
  • QE / TFS to the moon
  • Houses bought with Bitc*in
  • MultiGen mortgages / 40+ year mortgages
  • Vote Tory loans
  • Sell your missus to BoJo

 

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1 minute ago, msi said:

My guess of props:

  • Furlough extension to Jan 2022 - if there is a 4th wave and lock down
  • UK FannieMae to backstop insane lending
  • 'Gifted' Deposits (some sort of matching)
  • QE / TFS to the moon
  • Houses bought with Bitc*in
  • MultiGen mortgages / 40+ year mortgages
  • Vote Tory loans
  • Sell your missus to BoJo

Access pension early for house purchase. This has been floated a few times.

It's game over for HPC if that happens IMO. A lot of people i know have decent pensions but have no hope of owning in London, so would jump at this. 

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35 minutes ago, iamnumerate said:

This website started long before 2012.

Sure, sure. I meant the second rot!

Cameron and Osborne had the opportunity of a lifetime to turn the UK economy around in 2010. There was a lot of talk about fixing the roof; many HPCers were convinced. They had the goodwill of the electorate and an almost unlimited sum to spend.

And yet here we are a decade later and things are worse than ever.

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1 minute ago, zugzwang said:

Sure, sure. I meant the second rot!

Cameron and Osborne had the opportunity of a lifetime to turn the UK economy around in 2010. There was a lot of talk about fixing the roof; many HPCers were convinced. They had the goodwill of the electorate and an almost unlimited sum to spend.

And yet here we are a decade later and things are worse than ever.

The Tories deserve a bigger kicking than NuLabour because of this - they saw the pain of HPI and had a perfect chance to lance the boil and blame it all on Labour and the LibDem coalition.

 

They chose to keep HPI going and chose to feed prop after prop well knowing the consequence of their actions.

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29 minutes ago, msi said:

The Tories deserve a bigger kicking than NuLabour because of this - they saw the pain of HPI and had a perfect chance to lance the boil and blame it all on Labour and the LibDem coalition.

 

They chose to keep HPI going and chose to feed prop after prop well knowing the consequence of their actions.

I guess that they were worried about destroying the banks - saying that I am not saying that they did the right thing

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1 hour ago, iamnumerate said:

I guess that they were worried about destroying the banks - saying that I am not saying that they did the right thing

Perhaps......that would require a lot of guts though, as many benefit from hpi as are disadvantaged by it.....who and what is the priority, who shouts the loudest?;)

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1 hour ago, iamnumerate said:

I guess that they were worried about destroying the banks - saying that I am not saying that they did the right thing

again that sums up the Tories they accepted Banks were more important than letting people afford houses.  That is what makes them toxic.

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2 minutes ago, msi said:

again that sums up the Tories they accepted Banks were more important than letting people afford houses.  That is what makes them toxic.

God it's so strange reading this after so long on these forums.

When Labour were in Government all the HPC crowd could do is blame high house prices on them as a way of buying votes or cynically interfering in the market to artificially inflate wealth...and "Nu Labour" or "Zanu Labour" just need to be kicked out so that the free market proponents in the Tory party can restore sanity.

Turns out the crony capitalism of the Tory party is no more likely to restore sensible house prices anymore than Labour. They reward thier masters, and screw the rest of us.

Anyway just keep voting Tory, eventually they might try free market capitalism eventually...

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11 minutes ago, sPinwheel said:

God it's so strange reading this after so long on these forums.

When Labour were in Government all the HPC crowd could do is blame high house prices on them as a way of buying votes or cynically interfering in the market to artificially inflate wealth...and "Nu Labour" or "Zanu Labour" just need to be kicked out so that the free market proponents in the Tory party can restore sanity.

Turns out the crony capitalism of the Tory party is no more likely to restore sensible house prices anymore than Labour. They reward thier masters, and screw the rest of us.

Anyway just keep voting Tory, eventually they might try free market capitalism eventually...

This sort of false equivalence, whether intentional or not, gets my goat.  It's like saying the Luftwaffe was bad, but so were the RAF because they both used bombers.

 

NuLabour was deliberately created as a 'different' political animal to avoid the ReDlAbOuR label.  Blair and Browns idiotic obsession with driving houses to create a new political base is well documented in posts here.

The Tories always painted themselves as Free Market, Economically Frugal.  Cameron was pitched to sound Blairite and get away from the 'Nasty Party' image.  They were supposed to correct the mistakes of NuLabour.  As soon as they got in power, they p*ssed any pretence away and went proptastic.  May/BoJo showed they would stab anyone in the back to get power for power sake and promise anything to keep the HPI status quo.

They cover up this betrayal (and I use the word advisedly) with jingoistic claptrap and their supporters lap it up without any sort of critical analysis. 

I despair how the Right has gone from being the bastion of considered, evidenced analysis to moronic sound bites and robotic arguments.

 

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9 minutes ago, msi said:

This sort of false equivalence, whether intentional or not, gets my goat.  It's like saying the Luftwaffe was bad, but so were the RAF because they both used bombers.

 

NuLabour was deliberately created as a 'different' political animal to avoid the ReDlAbOuR label.  Blair and Browns idiotic obsession with driving houses to create a new political base is well documented in posts here.

The Tories always painted themselves as Free Market, Economically Frugal.  Cameron was pitched to sound Blairite and get away from the 'Nasty Party' image.  They were supposed to correct the mistakes of NuLabour.  As soon as they got in power, they p*ssed any pretence away and went proptastic.  May/BoJo showed they would stab anyone in the back to get power for power sake and promise anything to keep the HPI status quo.

They cover up this betrayal (and I use the word advisedly) with jingoistic claptrap and their supporters lap it up without any sort of critical analysis. 

I despair how the Right has gone from being the bastion of considered, evidenced analysis to moronic sound bites and robotic arguments.

 

How can equivalent behaviour be false equivalence? I think you need to brush up on your understanding of logical fallacies. The RAF were bombers but my god they didn't drop bombs on London...

 

There is zero evidence from the last 40 years that the right have ever believed in true free market fundamentals. They say they believed in it, but thier policies always favoured the rich and powerful donors and benefactors that put them there. Who you know, not what you know, is the reserve of the morally superior right.

 

Spare me your "no true Scotsman" nonsense.

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7 minutes ago, sPinwheel said:

How can equivalent behaviour be false equivalence? I think you need to brush up on your understanding of logical fallacies.

 

There is zero evidence from the last 40 years that the right have ever believed in true free market fundaments. They say they believed in it, but thier policies always favoured the rich and powerful donors and benefactors that put them there. Who you know, not what you know, is the reserve of the morally superior right.

 

Spare me your "no true Scotsman" nonsense.

I actually agree with this, but  to define NuLabour and the Tories as equivilence is weak and moronic.  Good luck wearing your pin-wheel swastika on Remembrance Sunday

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1 minute ago, msi said:

I actually agree with this, but  to define NuLabour and the Tories as equivilence is weak and moronic.  Good luck wearing your pin-wheel swastika on Remembrance Sunday

I think you will find the right have far more in common with the tribal  racially superior "white is right" than the collective as defined by the Nazis, than the pan-national, pan-racial and human centric nature of the left that views all humans as living breathing people with hopes, dreams, ambitions and capacity for love. Paint your swastika on me, my heart will not be discoloured by your idiocy.

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12 minutes ago, msi said:

I despair how the Right has gone from being the bastion of considered, evidenced analysis to moronic sound bites and robotic arguments.

 

How did a bunch of washed up revolutionary Communists become the authentic voice of modern Conservatism?

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3 hours ago, msi said:

The Tories deserve a bigger kicking than NuLabour because of this - they saw the pain of HPI and had a perfect chance to lance the boil and blame it all on Labour and the LibDem coalition..

They chose to keep HPI going and chose to feed prop after prop well knowing the consequence of their actions.

So the Tories had to crash house prices? They did that in the mid 90s and Tony Blair smashed the 1997 election.

Not saying you are wrong, mind, but who has the guts to inflict the pain?

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17 minutes ago, dryrot said:

So the Tories had to crash house prices? They did that in the mid 90s and Tony Blair smashed the 1997 election.

Not saying you are wrong, mind, but who has the guts to inflict the pain?

Very true

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1 hour ago, dryrot said:

So the Tories had to crash house prices? They did that in the mid 90s and Tony Blair smashed the 1997 election.

Not saying you are wrong, mind, but who has the guts to inflict the pain?

My impression was that from 2010 to 2012 house prices were generally stable in nominal terms. If they could have kept this up it would have allowed (wage) inflation to gradually shrink house prices in real terms, but without the stigma of sticker prices falling and negative equity. 

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18 minutes ago, A17 said:

My impression was that from 2010 to 2012 house prices were generally stable in nominal terms. If they could have kept this up it would have allowed (wage) inflation to gradually shrink house prices in real terms, but without the stigma of sticker prices falling and negative equity. 

I suppose you neglected the MP expenses scandal during that period, when MPs bought second homes (compensated by the UK taxpayer) in London and benefited more than any other from increasing house prices?

Nah. They clearly tried to make our pitiful plebs lives easier with more affordable housing (sic).

 

 

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20 minutes ago, sPinwheel said:

I suppose you neglected the MP expenses scandal during that period, when MPs bought second homes (compensated by the UK taxpayer) in London and benefited more than any other from increasing house prices?

Nah. They clearly tried to make our pitiful plebs lives easier with more affordable housing (sic).

 

 

The expenses scandal was before that - 2009. Look at a house price graph and it shows prices steady from 2010 to 2012.

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1 hour ago, A17 said:

My impression was that from 2010 to 2012 house prices were generally stable in nominal terms. If they could have kept this up it would have allowed (wage) inflation to gradually shrink house prices in real terms, but without the stigma of sticker prices falling and negative equity. 

Yes that would have been the least bad option.

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1 hour ago, A17 said:

My impression was that from 2010 to 2012 house prices were generally stable in nominal terms. If they could have kept this up it would have allowed (wage) inflation to gradually shrink house prices in real terms, but without the stigma of sticker prices falling and negative equity. 

Agreed, houses were still vaguely affordable around 2010

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