Will we see our Prime Minister resign in the very near future?

[Riedquat]

8 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

He doesn`t look good IMO, he will be worse than BJ, they will just stagger from one crisis to the next but it would be great if Labour were in power when the property bubble they unleashed goes bang.

I agree that he doesn't look good. Worse than Johnson? I doubt he's anywhere near as outright narcissistic and self-serving, so I'd be surprised if a Starmer Labour government looked anywhere near as dodgy. On the wider issues and policies though I'm not aware of anything better - I'm not aware of anything much at all. And that's a big part of Starmer's problem.

[scottbeard]

28 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

Come on, you don`t still believe that this lot work for anyone but the bankers do you? They have been babbling on about all those things for years, nothing changes, it is all about bond/credit markets now.

It shouldn't be, and it need not be.

History is littered with revolution, evolution and change.  Bring on the next one.

[Timm]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/07/mp-asks-ex-kgb-agent-tried-arrange-private-boris-johnson-sergei-lavrov-call

On Wednesday, Johnson confirmed to MPs that he had travelled to Perugia for a weekend party without his security detail, where he acknowledged he had “certainly met” Lebedev, a former colonel in the Soviet KGB. Johnson said he reported the encounter to officials on his return.

[Yvette Cooper asked] “Did the Foreign Office, the Home Office and the Security Service know about this meeting in advance? Was a detailed record made after the event of the meeting? Because there are rumours that the foreign secretary was too drunk to properly remember. Is that true?”

The Labour MP said the opposition had been asking questions about the meeting for months, and accused ministers of concealing information. “It’s bad enough covering up for parties and breaking the law, but covering up over national security is a total disgrace,” Cooper told MPs.

[lombardo]

42 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

He doesn`t look good IMO, he will be worse than BJ, they will just stagger from one crisis to the next but it would be great if Labour were in power when the property bubble they unleashed goes bang.

Look good? You mean his face?

The property bubble was mostly in the QE era of the Tories. Labour has not been in power since the GFC.

[Shrink Proof]

"I'm resigning but only in a very specific and limited way."

[Timm]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/07/john-major-urges-1922-committee-to-remove-boris-johnson-quickly

[John] Major, the former Conservative prime minister, released a letter saying it was “unwise, and may be unsustainable” for Johnson to stay in office for up to three months.

“In such a circumstance, the prime minister maintains the power of patronage and, of even greater concern, the power to make decisions which will affect the lives of those within all four nations of the United Kingdom and further afield,” he wrote 

One highly senior Tory source who has been with Johnson over the past 48 hours said his behaviour meant it was dangerous for the country for him to stay. “His behaviour in the last 48 hrs and been reckless and erratic. He cannot be trusted to lead the country until the autumn. God knows what he will do.”

One former government advisor said it was “dangerous” for Johnson to stay in post.

[msi]

2 minutes ago, Timm said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/07/john-major-urges-1922-committee-to-remove-boris-johnson-quickly

[John] Major, the former Conservative prime minister, released a letter saying it was “unwise, and may be unsustainable” for Johnson to stay in office for up to three months.

“In such a circumstance, the prime minister maintains the power of patronage and, of even greater concern, the power to make decisions which will affect the lives of those within all four nations of the United Kingdom and further afield,” he wrote 

One highly senior Tory source who has been with Johnson over the past 48 hours said his behaviour meant it was dangerous for the country for him to stay. “His behaviour in the last 48 hrs and been reckless and erratic. He cannot be trusted to lead the country until the autumn. God knows what he will do.”

One former government advisor said it was “dangerous” for Johnson to stay in post.

Comment of the day from the BBC HYS

[miguel]

2 minutes ago, Timm said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/07/john-major-urges-1922-committee-to-remove-boris-johnson-quickly

[John] Major, the former Conservative prime minister, released a letter saying it was “unwise, and may be unsustainable” for Johnson to stay in office for up to three months.

“In such a circumstance, the prime minister maintains the power of patronage and, of even greater concern, the power to make decisions which will affect the lives of those within all four nations of the United Kingdom and further afield,” he wrote 

One highly senior Tory source who has been with Johnson over the past 48 hours said his behaviour meant it was dangerous for the country for him to stay. “His behaviour in the last 48 hrs and been reckless and erratic. He cannot be trusted to lead the country until the autumn. God knows what he will do.”

One former government advisor said it was “dangerous” for Johnson to stay in post.

Jeeez. There was some woman on Newsnight who said that Johnson's mind wasn't all that 'strong' - or words to that effect. 

[winkie]

34 minutes ago, Shrink Proof said:

"I'm resigning but only in a very specific and limited way."

Nobody needs him to gain anymore.......so only filling a space until fulfilled.

[pig]

31 minutes ago, Timm said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/07/john-major-urges-1922-committee-to-remove-boris-johnson-quickly

[John] Major, the former Conservative prime minister, released a letter saying it was “unwise, and may be unsustainable” for Johnson to stay in office for up to three months.

“In such a circumstance, the prime minister maintains the power of patronage and, of even greater concern, the power to make decisions which will affect the lives of those within all four nations of the United Kingdom and further afield,” he wrote 

One highly senior Tory source who has been with Johnson over the past 48 hours said his behaviour meant it was dangerous for the country for him to stay. “His behaviour in the last 48 hrs and been reckless and erratic. He cannot be trusted to lead the country until the autumn. God knows what he will do.”

One former government advisor said it was “dangerous” for Johnson to stay in post.

Might be down to the opposition if the conservatives can't for whatever reason...

[miguel]

News on the street is saying that the next scandal involves a certain Mr. Lebedev. 

The fireworks may not be over. 

[Timm]

9 minutes ago, miguel said:

News on the street is saying that the next scandal involves a certain Mr. Lebedev. 

The fireworks may not be over. 

A summary of what is known so far:

Boris admits meeting Alexander Lebedev, a former KGB officer at Lebedev Jnr's party house in Italy. He seems to have admitted that he ditched his security detail to do so. At the time, Boris was the UK’s top envoy and charged with representing Britain abroad. He was also responsible for the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, and the Government's eavesdropping agency, GCHQ. We don't know what was discussed, because there don't seem to be any records. It is possible that it was just a party - Boris did seem very hungover the next day. Boris later gave Lebedev Jnr a peerage, contrary to advice from his own security services.

Boris did claim that he mentioned the trip to officials, but seems to have changed his mind now.

Lots of MSM sources, here is one that is not the Guardian:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-complete-disregard-national-27423135

Edited July 7, 2022 by Timm

[rollover]

Boris blames politics' 'herd instinct'

Mr Johnson blamed 'powerful herd instinct' for his ousting, saying: 'But as we have seen at Westminster the herd instinct is powerful, when the herd moves, it moves.'

Daily Mail

 

 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

2 hours ago, dances with sheeple said:

Do you honestly think people are looking at the EU now and think we should still be attached? Wake up.

The EU are looking at you and laughing. You just can’t see it yet because the joke is actually on you. 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

1 hour ago, msi said:

Comment of the day from the BBC HYS

Leave means Leave. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Excellent. Bravo. 👏👏👏👏

[Timm]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-wife-carrie-host-27422792

Quote

Boris Johnson wants to stay on as caretaker Tory leader in part to throw a big wedding party at Chequers later this month, sources claim. The couple tied the knot in a secret ceremony at Westminster Cathedral in front of just a handful of guests in May 2021. The couple's Chequers do, planned for July 30, is expected to be a much bigger and more glamorous affair.

 

[skinnylattej]

4 hours ago, dances with sheeple said:

According to Bloomberg he had knowledge of a sexual predator and did nothing, this isn`t about supping wine round the side of your mask during lockdown, it is a drip drip of bad judgement calls coming to a head.

And Allegra Stratton writes for Doombird.

[Flat Bear]

16 hours ago, Flat Bear said:

It is odds on that he will resign tomorrow. 

But you never know, is it really possible he will be PM tommorow night?

No breaking news then. All as expected

 

5 hours ago, BaldED said:

'I'm resigning after a replacement is found'

Just watch.

 

7 hours ago, Shrink Proof said:

Johnson wants to stay until the autumn. Presumably he reckons it'll take several months to steam off that wallpaper and flog it on eBay.

 

7 hours ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

"Boris Johnson will resign as Conservative leader today - he will continue as Prime Minister until the autumn."

 

      

 

He's a fat lying chancer who think people will fall for this.

Hang on a minute.

Breaking news: Johnson pretended to resign but is still hanging on as PM.

You couldn't make it up.

Well the men in grey suits couldn't remove him it's time with the men in white coats.

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

Lord Michael Heseltine: If Boris goes, Brexit goes

The former deputy prime minister said Boris Johnson's departure will likely lead to a shake-up in relations with the EU

[hotblack42]

So the answer to the original question is that if a dubious PM wants to stay on for another 6 months then they most certainly can.

What does that tell us about our democratic checks & balances?

[pig]

2 hours ago, Timm said:

A summary of what is known so far:

Boris admits meeting Alexander Lebedev, a former KGB officer at Lebedev Jnr's party house in Italy. He seems to have admitted that he ditched his security detail to do so. At the time, Boris was the UK’s top envoy and charged with representing Britain abroad. He was also responsible for the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, and the Government's eavesdropping agency, GCHQ. We don't know what was discussed, because there don't seem to be any records. It is possible that it was just a party - Boris did seem very hungover the next day. Boris later gave Lebedev Jnr a peerage, contrary to advice from his own security services.

Boris did claim that he mentioned the trip to officials, but seems to have changed his mind now.

Lots of MSM sources, here is one that is not the Guardian:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-complete-disregard-national-27423135

The more I think about it the less comfortable I am he is still in office.

I’m no fan of hers but I think it would be better if TM was caretaker for the next few months. 
EDIT:

 

Edited July 7, 2022 by pig

[zugzwang]

The Establishment pygmies are still preoccupied with Jeremy Corbyn, even as they attempt to exile him.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-tories-are-obsessed-with-jeremy-corbyn-because-they-know-how-popular-his-ideas-are/ar-AAZjNs3

From his prison cell in 1930, the Italian Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci wrote, “the old is dying but the new cannot be born”. But it wasn’t watching Boris Johnson cling on to power in recent days that caused me to remember that quote.

Instead it was when Sajid Javid resigned and told the disgraced soon-to-be former Prime Minister, “You will be forever credited with seeing off the threat of Corbynism”.

What threat was that? Decent wages? Council housing? Public ownership? Scrapping tuition fees? Oh the horror!

There is still a weird fascination with former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn that scars the Westminster psyche, two years since he resigned. Johnson referenced the now backbench MP from the dispatch box in what might have been his final PMQs on Wednesday. Nadhim Zahawi also mentioned him in his not-quite-a-resignation letter, and even Labour frontbencher felt Jess Phillips felt compelled to reference her opposition to him on BBC’s Politics Live yesterday.

Corbyn threatened the post-Thatcher economic consensus (of privatised services, weak trade unions and low taxes for the corporations and super-rich), and the consensus in Westminster that believes politics is a convivial parlour game for politicians to play, rather than a real-life battle of ideas drawn across class lines.

As the UK is halfway through its second decade of wage stagnation and low growth, following the banking crash of 2007/08, it’s really time to evaluate where we are as a nation. Our country’s leaders could learn a thing or two from the former Labour leader.

Compared with 15 years ago, we have longer waiting lists in our NHS, more children in poverty, more pensioners in poverty, more homelessness – and our wages are lower in real terms.

We’ve had sustained campaigns from politicians telling us our nation’s woes are because of scroungers, skivers, migrants, failed asylum seekers, Brussels bureaucrats, the wokerati – anyone but politicians or the multinational corporations that have profiteered from our increasingly privatised economy.

Since the banking crash we have been stuck at a juncture where we need to shift, but lacking politicians of the calibre to deliver it. We’ve had no answers just slogans: “Big Society”, “we’re all in it together”, “Get Brexit Done”, “Levelling Up”. But they can only distract so long before reality intrudes.

After the Second World War and again in the late 1970s Clement Attlee and Margaret Thatcher were capable of leading a fundamental shift in our politics and economics. You can debate the merits of either, but their legacies still exist today. They created fundamental shifts and institutional change that endured.

Our leading politicians today are, as Keir Starmer said in Wednesday’s PMQs, “the charge of the lightweight brigade”. Unfortunately, that description applies equally to the Labour frontbench, which appears utterly bereft of ideas too or even a memorable slogan (it’s currently “security, prosperity, respect”, but even I had to look that up).

Gramsci was writing in 1930 in the immediate aftermath of the Wall Street Crash and global recession and as a fundamental battle of ideas between democracy and fascism was ravaging a discordant Europe.

He commented that “in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear”. Boris Johnson, a moral degenerate populist, was one such morbid symptom. But there have been others. The riots of 2011 were the outpouring of dissent against racist policing, and growing poverty – with no political leadership to channel those concerns into positive action.

Corbynism or “Corbynomics” was an attempt to end the morbid symptoms and birth a new order – a fundamental shift in the economy: ending austerity, with redistributive taxation and public ownership. That was a chance to reset the state and the economy. And that is why Corbyn was so feared and despised by his opponents. He offered solutions not scapegoats.

The reason the now backbench MP is rarely out of political discourse, despite barely doing or saying much of note for the last couple of years, is because what they know and fear is that the material basis for Corbynism is still there: it can be suppressed on the Labour frontbench but reality cannot be shut out so easily.

From the Black Lives Matter movement to the growing spate of strike action, from the rise of renters’ unions to collective action from Glasgow to Peckham to stop immigration deportations, people are resisting a failing political order without any formal political leadership.

The earthquake of Jeremy Corbyn and his left-wing policies gaining over 40 per cent of the vote and denying the Tories a majority in 2017 still has them traumatised. It should traumatise them. Life is getting harder for many people – work has become more insecure, living standards have fallen (as the proliferation of food banks attest), and even life expectancy is stalling and going backwards for some groups.

The UK needs a reset. The economic system is not working for most people. As a report by the Unite union showed last month, profit margins for the UK’s biggest listed companies were 73 per cent higher in 2021 than pre-pandemic levels in 2019.

The money is there. We are a rich country. Our workers are producing huge wealth but it’s being creamed off by those at the top. The country is being run for the few not the many.

But we as voters must take responsibility too. If we keep getting duped into believing our enemy is the migrant, the benefit claimant, the “woke metropolitan elite”, or human rights lawyers, then we deserve our penury.

Celebrate Johnson going, but let the demise of this morbid symptom be a wake-up call: the system needs to change. Jeremy Corbyn had that right.

 

 

[Longtermrenter]

48 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

The Establishment pygmies are still preoccupied with Jeremy Corbyn, even as they attempt to exile him.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-tories-are-obsessed-with-jeremy-corbyn-because-they-know-how-popular-his-ideas-are/ar-AAZjNs3

From his prison cell in 1930, the Italian Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci wrote, “the old is dying but the new cannot be born”. But it wasn’t watching Boris Johnson cling on to power in recent days that caused me to remember that quote.

Instead it was when Sajid Javid resigned and told the disgraced soon-to-be former Prime Minister, “You will be forever credited with seeing off the threat of Corbynism”.

What threat was that? Decent wages? Council housing? Public ownership? Scrapping tuition fees? Oh the horror!

There is still a weird fascination with former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn that scars the Westminster psyche, two years since he resigned. Johnson referenced the now backbench MP from the dispatch box in what might have been his final PMQs on Wednesday. Nadhim Zahawi also mentioned him in his not-quite-a-resignation letter, and even Labour frontbencher felt Jess Phillips felt compelled to reference her opposition to him on BBC’s Politics Live yesterday.

Corbyn threatened the post-Thatcher economic consensus (of privatised services, weak trade unions and low taxes for the corporations and super-rich), and the consensus in Westminster that believes politics is a convivial parlour game for politicians to play, rather than a real-life battle of ideas drawn across class lines.

As the UK is halfway through its second decade of wage stagnation and low growth, following the banking crash of 2007/08, it’s really time to evaluate where we are as a nation. Our country’s leaders could learn a thing or two from the former Labour leader.

Compared with 15 years ago, we have longer waiting lists in our NHS, more children in poverty, more pensioners in poverty, more homelessness – and our wages are lower in real terms.

We’ve had sustained campaigns from politicians telling us our nation’s woes are because of scroungers, skivers, migrants, failed asylum seekers, Brussels bureaucrats, the wokerati – anyone but politicians or the multinational corporations that have profiteered from our increasingly privatised economy.

Since the banking crash we have been stuck at a juncture where we need to shift, but lacking politicians of the calibre to deliver it. We’ve had no answers just slogans: “Big Society”, “we’re all in it together”, “Get Brexit Done”, “Levelling Up”. But they can only distract so long before reality intrudes.

After the Second World War and again in the late 1970s Clement Attlee and Margaret Thatcher were capable of leading a fundamental shift in our politics and economics. You can debate the merits of either, but their legacies still exist today. They created fundamental shifts and institutional change that endured.

Our leading politicians today are, as Keir Starmer said in Wednesday’s PMQs, “the charge of the lightweight brigade”. Unfortunately, that description applies equally to the Labour frontbench, which appears utterly bereft of ideas too or even a memorable slogan (it’s currently “security, prosperity, respect”, but even I had to look that up).

Gramsci was writing in 1930 in the immediate aftermath of the Wall Street Crash and global recession and as a fundamental battle of ideas between democracy and fascism was ravaging a discordant Europe.

He commented that “in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear”. Boris Johnson, a moral degenerate populist, was one such morbid symptom. But there have been others. The riots of 2011 were the outpouring of dissent against racist policing, and growing poverty – with no political leadership to channel those concerns into positive action.

Corbynism or “Corbynomics” was an attempt to end the morbid symptoms and birth a new order – a fundamental shift in the economy: ending austerity, with redistributive taxation and public ownership. That was a chance to reset the state and the economy. And that is why Corbyn was so feared and despised by his opponents. He offered solutions not scapegoats.

The reason the now backbench MP is rarely out of political discourse, despite barely doing or saying much of note for the last couple of years, is because what they know and fear is that the material basis for Corbynism is still there: it can be suppressed on the Labour frontbench but reality cannot be shut out so easily.

From the Black Lives Matter movement to the growing spate of strike action, from the rise of renters’ unions to collective action from Glasgow to Peckham to stop immigration deportations, people are resisting a failing political order without any formal political leadership.

The earthquake of Jeremy Corbyn and his left-wing policies gaining over 40 per cent of the vote and denying the Tories a majority in 2017 still has them traumatised. It should traumatise them. Life is getting harder for many people – work has become more insecure, living standards have fallen (as the proliferation of food banks attest), and even life expectancy is stalling and going backwards for some groups.

The UK needs a reset. The economic system is not working for most people. As a report by the Unite union showed last month, profit margins for the UK’s biggest listed companies were 73 per cent higher in 2021 than pre-pandemic levels in 2019.

The money is there. We are a rich country. Our workers are producing huge wealth but it’s being creamed off by those at the top. The country is being run for the few not the many.

But we as voters must take responsibility too. If we keep getting duped into believing our enemy is the migrant, the benefit claimant, the “woke metropolitan elite”, or human rights lawyers, then we deserve our penury.

Celebrate Johnson going, but let the demise of this morbid symptom be a wake-up call: the system needs to change. Jeremy Corbyn had that right.

 

 

Post of the day

[msi]

52 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

The Establishment pygmies are still preoccupied with Jeremy Corbyn, even as they attempt to exile him.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-tories-are-obsessed-with-jeremy-corbyn-because-they-know-how-popular-his-ideas-are/ar-AAZjNs3

From his prison cell in 1930, the Italian Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci wrote, “the old is dying but the new cannot be born”. But it wasn’t watching Boris Johnson cling on to power in recent days that caused me to remember that quote.

Instead it was when Sajid Javid resigned and told the disgraced soon-to-be former Prime Minister, “You will be forever credited with seeing off the threat of Corbynism”.

What threat was that? Decent wages? Council housing? Public ownership? Scrapping tuition fees? Oh the horror!

There is still a weird fascination with former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn that scars the Westminster psyche, two years since he resigned. Johnson referenced the now backbench MP from the dispatch box in what might have been his final PMQs on Wednesday. Nadhim Zahawi also mentioned him in his not-quite-a-resignation letter, and even Labour frontbencher felt Jess Phillips felt compelled to reference her opposition to him on BBC’s Politics Live yesterday.

Corbyn threatened the post-Thatcher economic consensus (of privatised services, weak trade unions and low taxes for the corporations and super-rich), and the consensus in Westminster that believes politics is a convivial parlour game for politicians to play, rather than a real-life battle of ideas drawn across class lines.

As the UK is halfway through its second decade of wage stagnation and low growth, following the banking crash of 2007/08, it’s really time to evaluate where we are as a nation. Our country’s leaders could learn a thing or two from the former Labour leader.

Compared with 15 years ago, we have longer waiting lists in our NHS, more children in poverty, more pensioners in poverty, more homelessness – and our wages are lower in real terms.

We’ve had sustained campaigns from politicians telling us our nation’s woes are because of scroungers, skivers, migrants, failed asylum seekers, Brussels bureaucrats, the wokerati – anyone but politicians or the multinational corporations that have profiteered from our increasingly privatised economy.

Since the banking crash we have been stuck at a juncture where we need to shift, but lacking politicians of the calibre to deliver it. We’ve had no answers just slogans: “Big Society”, “we’re all in it together”, “Get Brexit Done”, “Levelling Up”. But they can only distract so long before reality intrudes.

After the Second World War and again in the late 1970s Clement Attlee and Margaret Thatcher were capable of leading a fundamental shift in our politics and economics. You can debate the merits of either, but their legacies still exist today. They created fundamental shifts and institutional change that endured.

Our leading politicians today are, as Keir Starmer said in Wednesday’s PMQs, “the charge of the lightweight brigade”. Unfortunately, that description applies equally to the Labour frontbench, which appears utterly bereft of ideas too or even a memorable slogan (it’s currently “security, prosperity, respect”, but even I had to look that up).

Gramsci was writing in 1930 in the immediate aftermath of the Wall Street Crash and global recession and as a fundamental battle of ideas between democracy and fascism was ravaging a discordant Europe.

He commented that “in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear”. Boris Johnson, a moral degenerate populist, was one such morbid symptom. But there have been others. The riots of 2011 were the outpouring of dissent against racist policing, and growing poverty – with no political leadership to channel those concerns into positive action.

Corbynism or “Corbynomics” was an attempt to end the morbid symptoms and birth a new order – a fundamental shift in the economy: ending austerity, with redistributive taxation and public ownership. That was a chance to reset the state and the economy. And that is why Corbyn was so feared and despised by his opponents. He offered solutions not scapegoats.

The reason the now backbench MP is rarely out of political discourse, despite barely doing or saying much of note for the last couple of years, is because what they know and fear is that the material basis for Corbynism is still there: it can be suppressed on the Labour frontbench but reality cannot be shut out so easily.

From the Black Lives Matter movement to the growing spate of strike action, from the rise of renters’ unions to collective action from Glasgow to Peckham to stop immigration deportations, people are resisting a failing political order without any formal political leadership.

The earthquake of Jeremy Corbyn and his left-wing policies gaining over 40 per cent of the vote and denying the Tories a majority in 2017 still has them traumatised. It should traumatise them. Life is getting harder for many people – work has become more insecure, living standards have fallen (as the proliferation of food banks attest), and even life expectancy is stalling and going backwards for some groups.

The UK needs a reset. The economic system is not working for most people. As a report by the Unite union showed last month, profit margins for the UK’s biggest listed companies were 73 per cent higher in 2021 than pre-pandemic levels in 2019.

The money is there. We are a rich country. Our workers are producing huge wealth but it’s being creamed off by those at the top. The country is being run for the few not the many.

But we as voters must take responsibility too. If we keep getting duped into believing our enemy is the migrant, the benefit claimant, the “woke metropolitan elite”, or human rights lawyers, then we deserve our penury.

Celebrate Johnson going, but let the demise of this morbid symptom be a wake-up call: the system needs to change. Jeremy Corbyn had that right.

 

 

Seconded. Post of the Day

[Lucky Larry]

3 minutes ago, Longtermrenter said:

Post of the day

Agreed , the demonisation of Corbyn merely exposes the establishment lackey's in both Labour and the Tory ranks , When Thatcher said her greatest achievement was New Labour she meant it , when you control the opposition you have total control and that is their ultimate aim.