coypondboy Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 could we be about to get a re-run with bird flu fingers crossed it won't happen but UK gearing up which is a worry. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/24/who-says-h5n1-avian-flu-cases-in-humans-worrying-after-girls-death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnno1167 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Always a bit sceptical of the government line in such matters. The smoking gun. may I just remind everyone that UK committed to a war in the Middle East in relative recent history based on intelligence that was written / verbalised to support the outcome (war) ? Which on subsequent investigation was found to be unfounded . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 7 hours ago, TerryBoi said: What you wanna do then ... One country out their experimenting with viral shit that has bought the rest of the world to its knee's. Send them a strongly worded letter? Get your gun and shoot something. It's the Amerikkkan Way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 9 hours ago, NoHPCinTheUK said: The big unknown is why western countries went into lockdowns in the first place. Because China tried it first and then Italy in a panic copied so rubber stamped the idea for everyone else. Incidentally I seem to remember the first recorded covid death in the UK was backdated to January 2020 so it was in circulation already, if only regionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 20 hours ago, TerryBoi said: Xi needs to answer for this. World is owed TRILLIONS in reparations from China. Its time to lock and load. Is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah-so Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 26/02/2023 at 15:46, Confusion of VIs said: That's because they are. If you read the article it states that four other US agencies still think Covid was most likely natural in origin. Truth is we still don't know and like with other viruses probably never will. And the Department of Energy also unveiled its findings with a "low level of confidence". In other words, they don't know, but in balance they think that's the case. The conspiracy theorists are cock-a-hoop because someone has said something that aligns with their previously unevidenced claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave New World Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 18 hours ago, scottbeard said: It's fairly mild NOW for most people, but you have to remember that: - The earliest variants were nastier, in part because no one had immunity then - Even if only 1 in 100 people end up in hospital with it that's 70 million people worldwide. If they'd all descended on hospitals at once in spring 2020 the effect on anyone needing treatment for everything else would have been catastrophic Now I'm not saying that means lockdowns were in hindsight all correct, but I do understand why they did them Is that the sound of balance and perspective on HPC? Thank you, the selective memory of some, particularly those feeding the growth industry of conspiracy shrills is startling at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Ah-so said: And the Department of Energy also unveiled its findings with a "low level of confidence". In other words, they don't know, but in balance they think that's the case. The conspiracy theorists are cock-a-hoop because someone has said something that aligns with their previously unevidenced claims. I have not read the report nor the article. I can say why it seems unlikely. These RNA viruses are very small and unstable. - That restriction endonuclease sites would remain for any significant period of times seems very unlikely. If it is man-made, then it is almost impalusible that we would be able to make one better than nature. It seems odd we only get this this suspicion when we are affected and not when milliios around the world are affected by novel viruses. - The alternative story involves it being found in nature, not infecting anyone, being saved safely in a lab while hte wild type does not affect anyone and they specifically bein leaked from the lab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromage Frais Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 26/02/2023 at 15:28, clarkey said: Said it all along jeez the Wuhan institute of virology it’s right there. They also kept zero covid going far longer it’s as though they new more about the virus than they we letting on I was quite lucky at the start of covid as I got all the gear in advance before you could not get hold of it gel masks etc. The reason was that around here Chinese students normally are not friendly at all.... aside from when I saw one in the local shop with a huge mask on with filters. Mate that a serious mask. Its very serious, if we are here it is here and government lie its very very bad. I went out and bought all the stuff that afternoon. By hiding it they made things so much worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godnose Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 26/02/2023 at 16:54, scottbeard said: No let’s be clear here : an accident is not a conspiracy. “Conspire” means to plan or plot I and many others said an ACCIDENTAL release from a lab was possible but just seemed less likely What I dismissed as a conspiracy theory - and still do - is that it was engineered and released by China deliberately . I credit the Chinese with enough sense not to release a biological weapon in their own city, and that a virus that mostly kills weak old people and then spreads worldwide including to your own people is the worst biological weapon in history Agreed. This captures the nuance of what this hypothesis says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoi Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 43 minutes ago, TerryBoi said: Hasan is spot on: could it have leaked from a lab? Unlikely but possible. Was it a bio weapon? Of course it wasn't. Yet 90% of lab leak posts on here too went into all sorts of nonsense stories about why the Chinese were doing it deliberately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) On 27/02/2023 at 00:27, TerryBoi said: What you wanna do then ... One country out their experimenting with viral shit that has bought the rest of the world to its knee's. Send them a strongly worded letter? Having relied on collaboration with China for the vaccine you injected into yourself is inconsistent with wanting to attack it, whether you think a "virus" came from a lab or not. If you were to attack China for this reason, you invite them to deliberately "release" a much more deadly "virus" and not "help" you this time, and at best you contradict your previous position. Edited February 28, 2023 by Arpeggio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetong Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Arpeggio said: Having relied on collaboration with China for the vaccine you injected into yourself is inconsistent with wanting to attack it, whether you think a "virus" came from a lab or not. If you were to attack China for this reason, you invite them to deliberately "release" a much more deadly "virus" and not "help" you this time, and at best you contradict your previous position. Are you sure that is correct ? Chinese vaccines were crap. The "best" were US or european. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 On 26/02/2023 at 16:54, scottbeard said: No let’s be clear here : an accident is not a conspiracy. “Conspire” means to plan or plot I and many others said an ACCIDENTAL release from a lab was possible but just seemed less likely What I dismissed as a conspiracy theory - and still do - is that it was engineered and released by China deliberately . I credit the Chinese with enough sense not to release a biological weapon in their own city, and that a virus that mostly kills weak old people and then spreads worldwide including to your own people is the worst biological weapon in history And the Ami's? Another layer to this conspiracy onion is the possibility that the coof was created at Fort Detrick in the US and intentionally released in China by the Yanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 10 hours ago, TerryBoi said: "Look what you made me do" Classic. Meanwhile, the undeniable fact is that Fauci funded and continues to fund gain-of-function research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Now its pretty much formal. Or at least weaponised - Covid: FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak 'most likely' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64806903 In terms of Trump sattemnt Id assume he was party to various discussion where the various 3LAs were discussing where it came from. You only have google fact check Wuhan to see the media were more interested in discredting information based on who said it (Trump) rather than any science or credible intelliegence. Mass media is quicklyl digging its own grave due tis own stupid biases. In terms of Europes outbreak,, Northern Itlay was hamemred as Chiense from the Wuhan area had piled - and I mean piled - into the areas to work in leather luxury goods - https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany Covid apepars to have broken out at least as far back as Summer 2019 and China covered it up, 100s travelled to Tiscany and ifencted the local population with the raw, deadly virus stage. And aas son as Europe went skiing in italy ... spread it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will! Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 On 27/02/2023 at 00:33, coypondboy said: could we be about to get a re-run with bird flu fingers crossed it won't happen but UK gearing up which is a worry. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/24/who-says-h5n1-avian-flu-cases-in-humans-worrying-after-girls-death Dunno, but probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will! Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 43 minutes ago, spyguy said: Covid apepars to have broken out at least as far back as Summer 2019 and China covered it up, 100s travelled to Tiscany and ifencted the local population with the raw, deadly virus stage. And aas son as Europe went skiing in italy ... spread it. Whether it was the lab or the market, the Chinese cover up was certainly a recklessly dangerous act at the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Will! said: Dunno, but probably not. Its bats. Theres somethign really strange about bats biology and viruses. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03128-0 Ive avoided bats and palces with bats due rabies. But sicne coof... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, spyguy said: Ive avoided bats and palces with bats due rabies. But sicne coof... Sicne coof?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, scottbeard said: Sicne coof?! Since coof...... (covid) Rabies in the UK is rare. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rabies-in-bats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will! Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, spyguy said: Its bats. Theres somethign really strange about bats biology and viruses. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03128-0 Ive avoided bats and palces with bats due rabies. But sicne coof... I am a bit of a Michael Crichton fan. Maybe there’s some bug we’ve never encountered before in a cave in West Africa that’s been brewing for millennia, one day we will disturb it and it will lay us low. A bit like isolated Latin American natives and the outside world, but in reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkey Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It was a lab leak but not a deliberate one I suspect . You only have to look at how they behaved , holding on to zero covid for so long they new far more about it’s origins than they will ever admit to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Just now, Will! said: I am a bit of a Michael Crichton fan. Maybe there’s some bug we’ve never encountered before in a cave in West Africa that’s been brewing for millennia, one day we will disturb it and it will lay us low. A bit like isolated Latin American natives and the outside world, but in reverse. Bird flu is a more likely candidate, I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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