Timm Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, Will! said: UK to support Sweden and Finland if attacked. If Putin has Russia's historical fear of encirclement then he is not going to like this. Yes, I don't understand this. They will soon be NATO - why nail our colours to the mast now? Edited May 12, 2022 by Timm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Timm said: Yes, I don't understand this. They will soon be NATO - why nail our colours to the mast now? I think it's to prevent Russia being tempted by a revenge attack on either of them BEFORE NATO membership kicks in. I know it seems implausible but then again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Bear Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, satsuma said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10809829/Ukraine-war-Putin-purges-army-brass-Gerasimov-suspended.html I am wondering who is actually running the Russian army now? Top brass sacked or dead Don't think its been taken yet. The ads still on totaljobs. Bonus looks very good but very difficult to achieve. Working conditions not so good. Seem to have a big turnover of staff for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freki Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 This video belong here, but it belongs to so many other places, watch and share to the other relevant topics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Flat Bear said: Don't think its been taken yet. The ads still on totaljobs. Bonus looks very good but very difficult to achieve. Working conditions not so good. Seem to have a big turnover of staff for some reason. I hear the company culture is not good, the head man always playing the blame game to deflect attention from himself (shortarse, blading incompetent, lunatic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Russian soldiers refusing to fight: The Guardian: ‘They were furious’: the Russian soldiers refusing to fight in Ukraine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/they-were-furious-the-russian-soldiers-refusing-to-fight-in-ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Si1 said: I think it's to prevent Russia being tempted by a revenge attack on either of them BEFORE NATO membership kicks in. I know it seems implausible but then again... Its to get Johnson in the papers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: Its to get Johnson in the papers Yes. The Russians are concerned with domestic impressions only, as is the British Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Timm said: Yes, I don't understand this. They will soon be NATO - why nail our colours to the mast now? Because there a transition period. Durr... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Si1 said: I think it's to prevent Russia being tempted by a revenge attack on either of them BEFORE NATO membership kicks in. I know it seems implausible but then again... That would make sense if the US had said the same thing, maybe the EU too. But we are a small island. Is Boris so very sure that Putin is bluffing? Edit: I see that I have been overtaken by a different consensus. Edited May 12, 2022 by Timm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Timm said: That would make sense if the US had said the same thing, maybe the EU too. But we are a small island. Is Boris so very sure that Putin is bluffing? The only thing that Boris is sure of is that this distracts from Partygate and his long list of other failings..... it's Operation Save the Old Dog on steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 minute ago, IMHAL said: The only thing that Boris is sure of is that this distracts from Partygate and his long list of other failings..... it's Operation Save the Old Dog on steroids. I agree, which is why I edited my post. But the fact remains, Boris is taking a chance with the UK that the US is not yet willing to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, rollover said: No worries, the well trained well equipped Finns will have routed the Russian rabble long before we can get there. This is more their level Does it make you proud? Edited May 12, 2022 by Confusion of VIs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Bear Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Staffsknot said: Its to get Johnson in the papers yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 4 hours ago, satsuma said: well perhaps they were in the right considering where we are now, maybe they should have gone harder. Like they did in the Middle East? Pshaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Timm said: I agree, which is why I edited my post. But the fact remains, Boris is taking a chance with the UK that the US is not yet willing to take. There is zero chance Russia won't have been warned off and/or this dialogue isn't happening with the US and other countries. The UK government mouthing off about Ukraine/Russia has got nothing to do with deterring Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnylattej Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Si1 said: I think it's to prevent Russia being tempted by a revenge attack on either of them BEFORE NATO membership kicks in. I know it seems implausible but then again... Boris posing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Si1 said: I think it's to prevent Russia being tempted by a revenge attack on either of them BEFORE NATO membership kicks in. I know it seems implausible but then again... Remember, Putin sent his B-team into Ukraine. The A-team have been kept back in case they're needed to fight NATO. So if Putin decides to attack Finland before it joins NATO, Boris Johnson's posturing won't prevent him from doing so. And since Putin knows he'll have to fight Finland sooner or later--Russia can no more accept NATO forces that close to their important bases in the Arctic than the US could accept Russian forces in Saskatchewan, just over the border from US missile silos--he may well decide to do it sooner. He's often said that if a fight is inevitable, you should hit first. Or he may decide to wait until they are in NATO before he attacks, just so the world will see the rest of NATO refuse to risk nuclear war to protect Finland. That would be the end of NATO and the US Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Timm said: I agree, which is why I edited my post. But the fact remains, Boris is taking a chance with the UK that the US is not yet willing to take. Maybe I'm being naïve. If America were to make that guarantee then what's the point of NATO. Bit unfair on Ukraine too in hindsight, if America made that promise. Plus Sweden and Finland are sort of neighbours to us, we're often seen as a borderline Nordic. Or maybe Bojo is trying to get off with the Finnish and Swedish female leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, MarkG said: Remember, Putin sent his B-team into Ukraine. The A-team have been kept back in case they're needed to fight NATO. Sorry but that sounds like so much b0lloxks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 hours ago, MarkG said: Remember, Putin sent his B-team into Ukraine. The A-team have been kept back in case they're needed to fight NATO. So if Putin decides to attack Finland before it joins NATO, Boris Johnson's posturing won't prevent him from doing so. And since Putin knows he'll have to fight Finland sooner or later--Russia can no more accept NATO forces that close to their important bases in the Arctic than the US could accept Russian forces in Saskatchewan, just over the border from US missile silos--he may well decide to do it sooner. He's often said that if a fight is inevitable, you should hit first. Or he may decide to wait until they are in NATO before he attacks, just so the world will see the rest of NATO refuse to risk nuclear war to protect Finland. That would be the end of NATO and the US Empire. They didn't even leave the van or Hannibal's cigars behind let alone not send their 'A-Team'. Where did you come across this load of tosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, Si1 said: Sorry but that sounds like so much b0lloxks It is - unless the B Team borrowed large amounts of kit from the A-Team and that means the latter are using the B-Team's stuff next time out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: It is - unless the B Team borrowed large amounts of kit from the A-Team and that means the latter are using the B-Team's stuff next time out... Just logically and strategically, Poo-Tin has staked his legacy, his power and even possibly his life on the Ukraine invasion. There's no way, especially after losing the battle for Kyiv, he wouldn't use his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 41 minutes ago, Si1 said: Or maybe Bojo is trying to get off with the Finnish and Swedish female leaders. He does like to play the hero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Timm said: I agree, which is why I edited my post. But the fact remains, Boris is taking a chance with the UK that the US is not yet willing to take. My first guess is that BJ is posturing himself as the 'Churchill' figure and has calculated putting 'the UK' at risk worthwhile in order to keep his job. My second guess is that BJ would treat such a treaty and the commitment to Fin/Swe with the same level of respect as the NIP or the botched Homes for Ukraine scheme...it's all optics and no action. Edited May 13, 2022 by IMHAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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