kzb Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Because we left Euratom? For some reason. I seem to recall that we could have stayed a partner if we hadn't. ITER members: China, the European Union, India, Japan, Korea, Russia and the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 They all seem happy enough at the moment... So it really is just the toxic remainers who are very angry a deal has been struck... Yet more name calling, but nothing for the brexiters who wanted no deal. And you try to take the moral high ground. Not to worry, I've received your message, I'm toxic. You don't have to worry about me going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On the face of it and as what I believe to be known as a hard line Brexiteer, I'm happy with what I've heard so far. Obviously the finer detail await, but much better than I was expecting so far. This is the deal brexiters voted for. No freedom of movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Johnson vows to pit UK against EU in race for success. The fantastic absurdity of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 This is the deal brexiters voted for. No freedom of movement. Unless you're Chinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryrot Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Is it time to close this thread now? (We could bring back "Anthea Turner loses BTL empire"?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Johnson vows to pit UK against EU in race for success. The fantastic absurdity of it! Is this another moonshoot moment? But seriously, Brexit will live or die depending on our economic success relative to the EU and notably NI. If we lag in real terms, questions will be asked. It won't take long before the opposition see the gaps and the opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Is it time to close this thread now? (We could bring back "Anthea Turner loses BTL empire"?) This is just the beginning of discovering how clever the Brexiteers have been. You wouldn't want your successes to go unnoticed now. Wouldn't want to rob you guys of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 To me it seems fairly hard, just not as hard as it could have been, and surprisingly soft on fishing. But pretty hard on financial services. It seems 7% (or whatever FS contribute) is being sacrificed for the 0.1% that is fishing. Odd choice. 0.1% is for all fishing, the total EU catch in British waters, £650m per year, is 0.028%, the amount handed back as a result of this deal is 0.007% rising to 0.014% after 5yrs This ignores the impact of British boats losing some access to EU/Norwegian waters. NB Also ignores the value of the disputed fish types landed in the UK being little more than half of when landed in the EU. To put it in some perspective after 5yrs the value of our regained fishing rights will be roughly one thirtieth of the cost of the new customs system or one hundredth of the value of the cars produced in Berlin's shiny new Tesla plant. Anyone who mentions fish as a justification for Brexit is either themselves thick or thinks whoever they are speaking to is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Is it time to close this thread now? (We could bring back "Anthea Turner loses BTL empire"?) No way, it's important to have somewhere to discuss the possibility of re-joining the EU... for those who would like to. I suggest those against just ignore it, because neither side will convert the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will! Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Annoyed that we left Euratom and the ITER, Galileo and Erasmus. Why?! Galileo is a weird one. It's a very long way from achieving its stated objectives. It's pork-barrel politics. But, space is big business and it's one of the UK's relative success stories in recent years so maybe we'd be better off paying to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Is this another moonshoot moment? But seriously, Brexit will live or die depending on our economic success relative to the EU and notably NI. If we lag in real terms, questions will be asked. It won't take long before the opposition see the gaps and the opportunities. Countries don't compete with each other, companies do. Economic success has as much to do with robustness (trust + complexity) as it does to do with efficiency (speed). The UK has 2x debt per capita as Germany. The coupon on those bonds is a sovereign wealth fund for European investors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryrot Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Countries don't compete with each other, companies do. Economic success has as much to do with robustness (trust + complexity) as it does to do with efficiency (speed). The UK has 2x debt per capita as Germany. The coupon on those bonds is a sovereign wealth fund for European investors. <my emph> I think you should include the EU debt - Greece, Spain, Italy - on the German tab. Thats the Euro, after all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 No way, it's important to have somewhere to discuss the possibility of re-joining the EU... for those who would like to. I suggest those against just ignore it, because neither side will convert the other. You can re-join the EU by living there........but only if you are worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Countries don't compete with each other, companies do. Economic success has as much to do with robustness (trust + complexity) as it does to do with efficiency (speed). The UK has 2x debt per capita as Germany. The coupon on those bonds is a sovereign wealth fund for European investors. You are the expert on financial matters. But we will notice if our standard of living diminishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 You are the expert on financial matters. But we will notice if our standard of living diminishes. On the other hand relative decline can be imperceptible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Official....cost more to exit the EU than the 47 years spent in it.........thousands of young people will be disadvantaged here in the UK because of no longer having freedom of movement......stuck where they live, no longer free to live or work freely and easily within 27 countries......that is what we voted for to tie and chain its own citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 No way, it's important to have somewhere to discuss the possibility of re-joining the EU... for those who would like to. I suggest those against just ignore it, because neither side will convert the other. Best forget about re-joining, it not going to happen it will take 20 years before the issue is detoxified in the UK and far longer than that for France to trust us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Galileo is a weird one. It's a very long way from achieving its stated objectives. It's pork-barrel politics. But, space is big business and it's one of the UK's relative success stories in recent years so maybe we'd be better off paying to play. We tried that but non members are not allowed to bid for the high value work at the core of the project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On the other hand relative decline can be imperceptible. Correct, even according to the government figures we are significantly poorer now because of the vote to leave but almost every leaver will deny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Is it time to close this thread now? (We could bring back "Anthea Turner loses BTL empire"?) How many more pathetic pleads to close the thread just as unicorn reveal day approaches? Here’s a handy tip: don’t like a thread don’t read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Is it time to close this thread now? (We could bring back "Anthea Turner loses BTL empire"?) I agree, time to close it (again). We're under the thumb for one more week, but we can manage the nonsense after that. We are free then 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHorseWaits-NoMore Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Yes Leavers are free to Leave this thread 👍. Run but you can't hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I agree, time to close it (again). We're under the thumb for one more week, but we can manage the nonsense after that. We are free then 🙂 Brexit has only been an abstract concept until next month. Now's the time this thread should come into its own to talk about what happens next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
househunter123 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Spare rooms will have to be converted into fish storage areas due to so much fish. Thus house prices will go up. https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/1376487/What-does-Brexit-deal-mean-for-house-prices-EVG Well, the housing gurus in the article think prices may go up, wait, might go down, or nothing at all. So many different views. Basically nobody knows or can predict. Brexit deal reached last minute, vaccine ready soon to the masses, mutant covid in the air, unemployment going up , interest rates low, who knows? Anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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