NobodyInParticular Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 We got outmanoeuvred but then they had much better cards. As was clear from the start. Well, not to David Davis, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Sorry, they are very much Tories. Ah, not using the net figure I see, which would bring the UK figure to £170, which included full SM and CU access and voting rights. Any reason why you chose the gross figure? The net German per capita payment is £212. How much do you reckon it is going to be, i think £150 per person without voting rights, a win for Macron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Sorry, they are very much Tories. Ah, not using the net figure I see, which would bring the UK figure to £170, which included full SM and CU access and voting rights. Any reason why you chose the gross figure? The net German per capita payment is £212. EEA states don't pay anything to the EU directly. Any monies are paid as grants to member states. EEA and Norway Grants - Wikipedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 As was clear from the start. Well, not to David Davis, apparently. Let me rephrase that, we did not get outmanoeuvred, they had so much better cards, no way we stood a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) Sorry, they are very much Tories. I was a grassroots supporter, out on the doorsteps, helping to get Mrs Thatcher elected in 1979. Believe me, these are not Tories! Edited December 25, 2020 by Bruce Banner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 More info https://fullfact.org/europe/norway-eu-payments/ How much does Norway, which sits outside the European Union, pay for its relationship with the bloc as a member of the European Economic Area? And is it a guide to what the UK might have to stump up if we wanted the same deal? At the moment: Norway makes £740 million (at current exchange rates) a year in payments linked to its relationship with the EU The UK pays £14,000 million a year to be a full member. This translates to £140 per Norwegian, compared to £220 per Brit. How do you compare Norway (a year in payments linked to its relationship with the EU) and UK (a year to be a full member)? It's bit like found that both apples and oranges are similar in size, weight and shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) Uk did not only got outmanoeuvred it got fleeced (I am looking from Ireland at situation) No services which is going to be massive for Ireland which will now scoop up more MNCs wanting access to single market in an English speaking country Irish farmers continue to sell tariff free Irish fishermen continue catch fish, other “sovereign” countries like Canada or Japan did not sign over fishing rights for a trade deal We no longer have to listen to maggots like Farage Finally the brexit has done so much reputational damage to UK with potential for more, that it is no longer viewed as a stable country to do business in, making surrounding states all the more attractive for external investment Excellent deal for EU and Ireland Edited December 25, 2020 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 How do you compare Norway (a year in payments linked to its relationship with the EU) and UK (a year to be a full member)? It's bit like found that both apples and oranges are similar in size, weight and shape. I have no comparator so just made up a number lower than Norway as we have a much higher population and know we have to accept what the Biggest Economic bloc in the world says to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Uk did not only got outmanoeuvred it got fleeced (I am looking from Ireland at situation) No services which is going to be massive for Ireland which will now scoop up more MNCs wanting access to single market in an English speaking country Irish farmers continue to sell tariff free Irish fishermen continue catch fish, other “sovereign” countries like Canada or Japan did not sign over fishing rights for a trade deal We no longer have to listen to maggots like Farage Finally the brexit has done so much reputational damage to UK with potential for more, that it is no longer viewed as a stable country to do business in, making surrounding states all the more attractive for external investment Excellent deal for EU and Ireland Next you will saying the European elite is more intelligent than our elite Why is the woman in the background laughing and why is the man so spooked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Don't have to.....only have to apply to get an EU passport then will continue to have full freedom and many more choices, both here, plus many other places...... citizens of the world..... I agree a full eu passport does give freedom. hopefully only applicable to those with the correct genealogy and exclude all others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I agree a full eu passport does give freedom. hopefully only applicable to those with the correct genealogy and exclude all others. Where have you been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Galileo is a weird one. It's a very long way from achieving its stated objectives. It's pork-barrel politics. But, space is big business and it's one of the UK's relative success stories in recent years so maybe we'd be better off paying to play. *IF* space is still with nation states. Looking less n less. EU space programme is looking like a less efficient Concorde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Has the re-join campaign started yet? the think give it 10 years and we don’t need to worry about the boomers anymore. shame we won’t get such a good deal as we had previously, but the boost to GBP should be pretty tasty after 10 years of stagnation (I voted Remain) It's not that simple. I'm being serious. You may find the under EUers voting to join the UK. Outside of the Nordics n Germany, the European experience for the under 50s is dire. The EU have made the future much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 *IF* space is still with nation states. Looking less n less. EU space programme is looking like a less efficient Concorde. Do you think they will use UK companies less and less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnylattej Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Not drinking till I get back from the foodbank xmas dinner deliveries 😕 A noble act. Sir, I salute you. Merry Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 think we will probably rejoin within 20 years. the young have a much more global mind-set having grown up with the internet, less ‘little Britain’ mindset of the oldies. it’s just a matter of time now. The UK and EU young look West or other places in the Anglosphere. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Uk did not only got outmanoeuvred it got fleeced (I am looking from Ireland at situation) No services which is going to be massive for Ireland which will now scoop up more MNCs wanting access to single market in an English speaking country Irish farmers continue to sell tariff free Irish fishermen continue catch fish, other “sovereign” countries like Canada or Japan did not sign over fishing rights for a trade deal We no longer have to listen to maggots like Farage Finally the brexit has done so much reputational damage to UK with potential for more, that it is no longer viewed as a stable country to do business in, making surrounding states all the more attractive for external investment Excellent deal for EU and Ireland There is zilch cross border trade in services in Europe. Less so, post 2008, where all the banks are moving back to their nation state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Do you think they will use UK companies less and less UK has the major space company - Surrey Satellies Tech, owned by Airbus. I dont think theres anything close in Europe. I dont think nation states - or collection of states - is the way forward in space tech. Look at the X prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 There is zilch cross border trade in services in Europe. Less so, post 2008, where all the banks are moving back to their nation state. Tell that to revolut, coin base, transferwise and dozen of other fintech startups who had to open offices outside uk because of brexit there is billions of trade in services which hilariously enough was something thatcher wanted the current company (us tech firm) I work for just laid of hundreds in uk offices closing locations, while massive hiring splurge in Ireland, some of those uk banks are biggest customers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I was a grassroots supporter, out on the doorsteps, helping to get Mrs Thatcher elected in 1979. Believe me, these are not Tories! They look like the sort of Tories I spent a long time campaigning against. Sure, they aren't 'wets' like Major, or one nation ones like Heseltine, but I encountered many just like this current lot over the last 30 years, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 UK has the major space company - Surrey Satellies Tech, owned by Airbus. I dont think theres anything close in Europe. You do realise that Airbus is primarily European, don't you? Probably soon to be entirely so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 There is zilch cross border trade in services in Europe. It's 2/3 of all trade across EU member state borders: https://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/scoreboard/integration_market_openness/trade_goods_services/index_en.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I was a grassroots supporter, out on the doorsteps, helping to get Mrs Thatcher elected in 1979. Believe me, these are not Tories! There’s an uncanny parallel between Brexiteers and Old Labour nationalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 UK has the major space company - Surrey Satellies Tech, owned by Airbus. I dont think theres anything close in Europe. The major firms include: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_Defence_and_Space (Surrey Satellites is a part). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OHB_SE (German). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_Alenia_Space (French). There is now no wholly or majority UK owned player, which is sad given the UK's expertise. At one point I very nearly became one of the people working directly on them and did work on downstream processing of satellite images and software development and associated research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 There’s an uncanny parallel between Brexiteers and Old Labour nationalists. Not much cross over between Corbyn and Bill Cash I would have thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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