Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[zugzwang]

32 minutes ago, smash said:

Just watched on BBC news Boris talking to a group of school kids. Asked if he always wanted to PM he replies with "Err, umm, no, for brief period of time I wanted to be a rock star....then for while I wanted to make kitchen tiles, complete disaster"

Britain Trump is funnier, more ridiculous, than his inspiration.

Is it me, or is 'Britain Trump' expending an incomprehensible amount of energy and political capital on trying to negotiate a deal for someone who effects to believe that No Deal will work out just fine?

Edited August 30, 2019 by zugzwang

[Mikhail Liebenstein]

7 minutes ago, yodigo said:

We don't fall for "standard EU procedure" of telling the little people to vote again if they give the wrong answer, you can if you want, but don't complain when it backfires on you.

Another vote is definitely in order now. The old one was so long ago its basically redundant and irrelevant. .

[btl_hater]

US Twitter bot networks trying to influence Johnson’s Brexit 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1167162506135121926.html

Edited August 30, 2019 by btl_hater

[IMHAL]

Just now, yodigo said:

No, they prevented themselves from doing so, if you haven't noticed. 3 years wasted, then decide to go on holiday and have party conferences when the EU told them not to waste the extension - which they've done very well indeed.

They bypassed themselves, and Bozo has given them a good kick up the **** which they fully deserve.

Our representative are preventing themselves? You don't make any sense.

They are doing their job......if you don't like what they are doing then vote for a representative that does. Thats how it works.

[yodigo]

1 hour ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

Another vote is definitely in order now. The old one was so long ago its basically redundant and irrelevant. .

Deliberately failing to implement the vote does not invalidate it one bit.

[yodigo]

1 hour ago, IMHAL said:

Our representative are preventing themselves? You don't make any sense.

They are doing their job......if you don't like what they are doing then vote for a representative that does. Thats how it works.

Perfect sense, you just don't want to see it, as their time wasting fits your agenda. Or you see it and just excuse it.

[IMHAL]

Just now, yodigo said:

Deliberately failing to implement the vote does not invalidate it one bit.

How can it be 'deliberate'.....there are some that agree and some that disagree....the is no majority for a way forwards.......in fact there may be no way forwards and there may have never have been a brexit that was acceptable...... in which case, go back to the people. Seems obvious, unless you are scared of the people will.

[smash]

8 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Is it me, or is 'Britain Trump' expending an incomprehensible amount of energy and political capital on trying to negotiate a deal for someone who effects to believe that No Deal will work out just fine?

I've no idea but back in the day when I was a drug dealer I knew loads of shysters and chancers. Lots of potential Rock Stars. LoL.

[IMHAL]

10 minutes ago, yodigo said:

Perfect sense, you just don't want to see it, as their time wasting fits your agenda. Or you see it and just excuse it.

There is no majority for any option....time wasting is a silly term used by people who throw their toys out of the pram when they don't get what they want when they want it.

Edited August 30, 2019 by IMHAL

[zugzwang]

1 minute ago, yodigo said:

Deliberately failing to implement the vote does not invalidate it one bit.

The EU has issued you with an ultimatum: Ratify the WA, or f**k off and die!

Talk, talk, talk. What are you shitting, pissing cowards waiting for?

[Kosmin]

8 hours ago, yodigo said:

Deliberately failing to implement the vote does not invalidate it one bit.

As a purely hypothetical question, if we knew that another referendum held now remain would win would you still think we should leave now?

[Far Canal]

15 minutes ago, Kosmin said:

As a purely hypothetical question, if we knew that another referendum held now remain would win would you still think we should leave now?

As a purely hypothetical question, if we knew that another referendum held now leave would win would you still think we should remain now?

[Dorkins]

59 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Is it me, or is 'Britain Trump' expending an incomprehensible amount of energy and political capital on trying to negotiate a deal for someone who effects to believe that No Deal will work out just fine?

It's going to be quite the crunching gear change when Boris returns to Parliament with the WA his new deal with the EU in the next few weeks and has to sell the line that this is the way now and we definitely don't want that no deal scenario which was pushed out so hard via the media over the summer. He's going to need a whole sackful of dead cats and dogwhistles to distract from that one, but maybe he figures that Leave supporters are sufficiently distractable and he will be forgiven once the UK is no longer an EU member state from 1st November.

Nonetheless I think there will be plenty of salty WTOer tears when the new deal is passed and the UK enters the EU minus transition period from the start of November i.e. still in CU and SM with ECJ jurisdiction, full budget contributions but no representation. The Brexit Party and ERG will call Johnson a traitor and the manoeuvering to replace him with a Real Brexiteer will accelerate.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Dorkins

[rockerboy]

1 hour ago, IMHAL said:

The referendum, at its core, was about making 'our representative democracy' supreme. After all, our representatives where given the job of dealing with brexit, and now, they are being prevented from doing so.

What is not in doubt is that they are conflicted. That has to be recognised. 

Both J.Corbyn and N.Sturgeon want to block Brexit and both are trying hard to appear reasonable while ensuring the UK tears itself apart.

Whilst Corbyn aims for a socialist revolution. Sturgeon wants to be "head of state for Scotland" in the Brussels club, enjoying executive class travel, lovely meals, fine wine and red carpets.

Neither of them give a sh*t about you or me.

You might say he same about Boris, but the growing problem we have now is potential civil disobedience - whats next a general strike? 

Brexit needs to be done quickly. we deal with it and MOVE ON - otherwise we will all be in really big trouble if this intransigence continues to persist (just as Corbyn and Sturgeon want) 

Edited August 30, 2019 by rockerboy

[thecrashingisles]

10 minutes ago, rockerboy said:

Both J.Corbyn and N.Sturgeon want to block Brexit and both are trying hard to appear reasonable while ensuring the UK tears itself apart.

Whilst Corbyn aims for a socialist revolution. Sturgeon wants to be "head of state for Scotland" in the Brussels club, enjoying executive class travel, lovely meals, fine wine and red carpets.

Neither of them give a sh*t about you or me.

You might say he same about Boris, but the growing problem we have now is potential civil disobedience - whats next a general strike? 

Brexit needs to be done quickly. we deal with it and MOVE ON - otherwise we will all be in really big trouble if this intransigence continues to persist (just as Corbyn and Sturgeon want) 

Have you not figured out that there is no moving on?  If we leave, we’ll still be dealing with the consequences for a decade and the trade negotiations will be at least as fractious as what we’ve seen so far.  If we don’t leave, we’ll have to deal with the fallout from that too.  I can’t see any way out that doesn’t involve the UK breaking up.

[dugsbody]

2 hours ago, yodigo said:

We don't fall for "standard EU procedure" of telling the little people to vote again if they give the wrong answer, you can if you want, but don't complain when it backfires on you.

You mean, listening to the people, changing some things and asking them to vote if the new terms are acceptable.

If they weren't, why would people vote for them? Your position, like most of brexit, makes no sense.

[dugsbody]

1 hour ago, Dorkins said:

It's going to be quite the crunching gear change when Boris returns to Parliament with the WA his new deal with the EU in the next few weeks and has to sell the line that this is the way now and we definitely don't want that no deal scenario which was pushed out so hard via the media over the summer. He's going to need a whole sackful of dead cats and dogwhistles to distract from that one, but maybe he figures that Leave supporters are sufficiently distractable and he will be forgiven once the UK is no longer an EU member state from 1st November.

Nonetheless I think there will be plenty of salty WTOer tears when the new deal is passed and the UK enters the EU minus transition period from the start of November i.e. still in CU and SM with ECJ jurisdiction, full budget contributions but no representation. The Brexit Party and ERG will call Johnson a traitor and the manoeuvering to replace him with a Real Brexiteer will accelerate.

That doesn't make much sense. It will kill the Tory party because they'll lose the next GE with voters shifting to The No Policies But Brexit Party. 

The Tory party have snookered themselves. There is no good way out of this for them and the frothing No Dealers are relentless. They'll win in the end because Boris will see a way of aligning with Farage to win a GE, provided he "No Deals".

The narratives are being set, the enemies named. The fallout will be blamed on the EU and remainers. They'll lower interest rates, print money in order to soften the economic blow (for the haves). I think they really do believe they can "Americanise" the UK.

This is really the only path forward that possibly sees the Tories in power next GE. And that's all they care about.

Edited August 30, 2019 by dugsbody

[Dorkins]

10 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

That doesn't make much sense. It will kill the Tory party because they'll lose the next GE with voters shifting to The No Policies But Brexit Party. 

The Tory party have snookered themselves. There is no good way out of this for them and the frothing No Dealers are relentless. They'll win in the end because Boris will see a way of aligning with Farage to win a GE, provided he "No Deals".

The narratives are being set, the enemies named. The fallout will be blamed on the EU and remainers. They'll lower interest rates, print money in order to soften the economic blow (for the haves).

This is really the only path forward that possibly sees the Tories in power next GE. And that's all they care about.

There's not going to be a GE until 2022, all the recent chatter about it in the media is just more distraction. The most likely outcome of a GE would be the Tories returning with even fewer MPs than they have now and Johnson having to beg Nigel every time he wants something. Worst case scenario the Tory party might even split if the constituency parties go wild with the deselections. Why would a Tory PM want that?

The plan is to razzle dazzle their way into the transition period and then have about 3 years of running the country while hoping something turns up. It's how Cameron used to run the country, no long term strategies, just get past the next bump in the road.

Edited August 31, 2019 by Dorkins

[rollover]

 

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Britons set to protest against Boris Johnson's Brexit move

Demonstrations are expected across Britain on Saturday (Aug 31) against Prime Minister Boris Johnson's move to suspend parliament in the final weeks before Brexit.

Saturday's main demonstration is expected outside Mr Johnson's Downing Street office in London from around 1100 GMT and there will be more in around 30 other towns and cities.

straitstimes

 

Boris should listen what people want.

Edited August 31, 2019 by rollover

[FANG]

1 hour ago, rollover said:

 

Boris should listen what people want.

I thought he was. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2019 by FANG

[Bruce Banner]

23 minutes ago, FANG said:

I thought he was. 

He might be listening to what you want but I suspect that you are now in a minority.

[Mikhail Liebenstein]

6 hours ago, Dorkins said:

There's not going to be a GE until 2022, all the recent chatter about it in the media is just more distraction. The most likely outcome of a GE would be the Tories returning with even fewer MPs than they have now and Johnson having to beg Nigel every time he wants something. Worst case scenario the Tory party might even split if the constituency parties go wild with the deselections. Why would a Tory PM want that?

The plan is to razzle dazzle their way into the transition period and then have about 3 years of running the country while hoping something turns up. It's how Cameron used to run the country, no long term strategies, just get past the next bump in the road.

But Boris now has no majority. He is finished.

 

[Mikhail Liebenstein]

Btw, interesting spinning by Boris’ Telegraph chums: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/30/eu-wants-extend-article-50-avoid-no-deal-brexit-eurosceptics/

This tells me Boris is looking for an extension, but has to spin it as the EU being weak.

A extension is probably the only way he can hang on. Otherwise he’ll lose the confidence vote. Already seeing some former senior Tories now prepared to back Corby.

Edited August 31, 2019 by Mikhail Liebenstein

[FANG]

8 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

He might be listening to what you want but I suspect that you are now in a minority.

Not from the comments that I am reading.

Johnson has done more in 3 weeks than what was accomplished in 3 years.

if the Queen is backing him then its gonna happen.

 

 

[Bruce Banner]

1 minute ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

But Boris now has no majority. He is finished.

 

Hopefully, the legal challenge by the last proper Conservative prime minister will be fruitful.