kzb Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dorkins said: Also most people will die without going into a care home, it's about 1 in 5 or 6 I believe. If they get decent care in their own home it might keep a few out of the care home for longer. I'm trying to see the positives, I really am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 What happened to the £350m ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wighty Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, kzb said: It's basically a scam to introduce new taxes. Most people are not going to see any benefit for it. The only positive I see is at least those with a substantial potential IHT bill will get a notional 40% off the fees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Triple lock gone. Only for one year though. I did think this is what would happen. The government will scrap the "triple lock" mechanism that ensures state pensions rise by at least inflation, wage growth, or 2.5%, whichever is the highest, for the 2022/23 financial year. Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey told MPs that the temporary, one-year change would mean pensions would rise by 2.5% or in line with inflation next year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58473078 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, pig said: What happened to the £350m ? They just handed over 1.5bln to India for a promise of consideration of services in any talks 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, pig said: What happened to the £350m ? They've had it already, several times over I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop321 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 On 03/09/2021 at 08:30, zugzwang said: Said it before a thousand times but it's always worth repeating. Never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never ever vote Conservative. My grandfather, a wealthy barrister who lived in a little village outside Halifax used to be picked up by the conservative car….driven to the ballot box and vote. It seemed everyone knew he was a fully fledged leftie except the Tories….and he kept the charade up for years. Why waste a Labour car when a Tory one will do. This is true, and maybe a little tongue in cheek…..but we seem to have lost conviction politics nowadays. I am a liberal leftie, I may not like a party leader…I may even like a Tory leader…but I vote for the politics in which I believe. Not for who wears the best jacket, who promises me the best ‘things’ or even what benefits me most. I accept disagreement from conviction Tories and capitalists…each to their own and in its purest form there are different valid viewpoints and political beliefs But what seems to be the position at the moment is people don’t care and vote for what the Telegraph says or which party gives them personally the best stuff. So they get what they deserve…and i hypocritically use and abuse the system, collect rent and watch those who voted Tory carry on working and moaning. (in my very very very Tory town…) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Just now, yelims said: They just handed over 1.5bln to India for a promise of consideration of services in any talks 😂 They're also going to hand money out to India et al at COP26. I suspect this is the real reason for this tax actually. Not much of it is going to help with social care costs that is for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wighty Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 minute ago, kzb said: Only for one year though. I did think this is what would happen. The government will scrap the "triple lock" mechanism that ensures state pensions rise by at least inflation, wage growth, or 2.5%, whichever is the highest, for the 2022/23 financial year. Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey told MPs that the temporary, one-year change would mean pensions would rise by 2.5% or in line with inflation next year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58473078 Oh yeah - what if inflation rises to 5%+ in a subsequent year, or if wages still rise significantly more than inflation. They can pick and chose suspending it or not. Precedent is set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, pig said: What happened to the £350m ? This. Every time BoJo talks of needing money or the Tories talk of more cuts for the poor - shove this down their throat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, wighty said: Oh yeah - what if inflation rises to 5%+ in a subsequent year, or if wages still rise significantly more than inflation. They can pick and chose suspending it or not. Precedent is set. The existing legislation does allow for it to be suspended in unusual circumstances. I think pensions will always be uprated with inflation, even Thatcher did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wighty Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) In his statement BlowJob said "No one with assets less than £20,000 will have to make any contribution from their savings or housing wealth". @kzb do you reckon that means the house value is excluded when determining assets?. Because if not it's a total nonsense statement. During evening press coference Health Sec was asked if the gov would guarantee no-one would have to sell their house to pay for care. The answer was the £86k cap would ensure people had complete confidence on the maximum they would have to pay (as long as you work out all the ifs and buts). This is all mealy mouthed ambiguous statements. You dont make a contribution from your housing wealth because you've already sold your house. Edited September 7, 2021 by wighty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, pig said: What happened to the £350m ? £350 million a WEEK......sure they found a good safe home for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slawek Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, crash-and-burn said: I think the newly coloured passports more than make up for any promises that haven't been delivered. It's worth the NI hike alone. Are you serious then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, winkie said: £350 million a WEEK......sure they found a good safe home for it. That would be £20bn a year ? Unless the heat has fried my brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, wighty said: Oh yeah - what if inflation rises to 5%+ in a subsequent year, or if wages still rise significantly more than inflation. They can pick and chose suspending it or not. Precedent is set. Triple fudge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash-and-burn Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, slawek said: Are you serious then? I think the lack of emojis has put you on edge... You're probably wondering if anyone could really be that backwards, right? Let's just say as a British citizen, I'm ostricized from ever returning home to the UK as a family because of Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Does anyone have any reference as to what happened to the £350 million? I cannot find anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, msi said: This. Every time BoJo talks of needing money or the Tories talk of more cuts for the poor - shove this down their throat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Least we forget: This money won't go on social care for 3 years as stated, and indeed they might not even be able to spend that on social care as there aren't the care workers to deliver that. £12bn a year from NI. £350m a week for the NHS ... 52 x £0.35Bn = £18bn, so guess he needs to find snother £6bn. Edited September 7, 2021 by Mikhail Liebenstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 If you over stretched yourself to buy a massively over priced house as the peak of a crazy low IR bubble then the people encouraging you to buy into the bubble raises your taxes 1.25% before then seeing IRs shoot up wont you feel like the idiots who paid £3K for a dog ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 37 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: If you over stretched yourself to buy a massively over priced house as the peak of a crazy low IR bubble then the people encouraging you to buy into the bubble raises your taxes 1.25% before then seeing IRs shoot up wont you feel like the idiots who paid £3K for a dog ? There's idiots paying thousands for dogs right now. Loads of them. I watch things like that and sometimes I think they deserve taxing more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, kzb said: There's idiots paying thousands for dogs right now. Loads of them. I watch things like that and sometimes I think they deserve taxing more.... I've been keeping track of dog prices on TOS....The dog price bubble has well and truly collapsed. £3000 puppies now selling for £500. You can get a nice border collie puppy for around £250. https://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classifieds/wdz4qajjw-classic-collie-puppies-llanybydder/ I'd love on old english sheep dog, was £5K at one point, now holding up well at £750. A fool and their money Edited September 7, 2021 by TheCountOfNowhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patfig Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: If you over stretched yourself to buy a massively over priced house as the peak of a crazy low IR bubble then the people encouraging you to buy into the bubble raises your taxes 1.25% before then seeing IRs shoot up wont you feel like the idiots who paid £3K for a dog ? Feels like its starting to change House prices as you say spiraling but furlough ending, Blojo upping taxes and hinting he may do it again. Next covid wave coming hospitals are again starting to struggle. Christmas wont be Christmas without any presents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothernsoul Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I would be very interested to see two columns side by side. One marked wage earners, and the other marked asset owners. And in each column the policies initiated by the government and its proxies(Bank of England) to increase/protect each of them since the financial crisis. I think we know which would be the clear winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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