How do you stop the migrants crossing the channel

[Insane]

24 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

Your call. I gave you the chance to support your claims and refute mine. You blinked.

Go and do some colouring in or join the dots. 

[IMHAL]

8 minutes ago, Insane said:

Go and do some colouring in or join the dots. 

I'll take that as a no, you can't substantiate your claims. Thanks.

[rollover]

All this way please

 

[yelims]

Wait what they are threatening to withhold millions to prevent more migrants because migrants are arriving? Forgetting that by leaving Eu it’s now impossible to send em back to France

i bet the French are laughing in French at this 🤣 oui oui 

[IMHAL]

7 hours ago, yelims said:

Wait what they are threatening to withhold millions to prevent more migrants because migrants are arriving? Forgetting that by leaving Eu it’s now impossible to send em back to France

i bet the French are laughing in French at this 🤣 oui oui 

When they keep scoring home goals and wonder why they are losing....you have to wonder...

[Big Orange]

If we stayed part of the EU the French would STILL be awkward/spiteful out of their desperation over the generation old refugee and migrant crisis.

[yelims]

21 minutes ago, Big Orange said:

If we stayed part of the EU the French would STILL be awkward/spiteful out of their desperation over the generation old refugee and migrant crisis.

There is clearly an increase since Brexit and now can’t send them back to France

Whether French are “spiteful” or not the facts remain (ha!) same

If the French were truly spiteful they be offering free dinghies to any economic migrants who obviously are not refugees seeking protection and a baguette and a bon voyage wave 

hmm maybe that’s how they should reply to that evil little woman, watch her head implode 

Edited September 8, 2021 by yelims

[rollover]

30 minutes ago, yelims said:

There is clearly an increase since Brexit and now can’t send them back to France

Whether French are “spiteful” or not the facts remain (ha!) same

If the French were truly spiteful they be offering free dinghies to any economic migrants who obviously are not refugees seeking protection and a baguette and a bon voyage wave 

hmm maybe that’s how they should reply to that evil little woman, watch her head implode 

You are not wrong.

 

MP accuses French of waving migrants through with a 'cheery bon voyage'

Responding to waves of migrants crossing the English Channel over the last few days, Tory MP Natalie Elphicke called France's handling of the situation "outrageous".

She tweeted: "This is simply outrageous. People who are perfectly safe in France brazenly break into Britain day after day.

"First it was a few, then hundreds and now heading towards a thousand in a single day. The French just waving them through with a cheery bon voyage."

Yahoo

[winkie]

The hypocrisy of it all, if the boot was on the other foot?.....there are enough here that would agree with and act like France does....if they wanted to stay in France they wouldn't be in a boat trying to get here......many do stay in other countries, we take only a small proportion of migrants in comparison to some other countries that are often much poorer than us.....

[yelims]

They are very clearly economic migrants, France is not a bad place to live in,

 

the issue is instead of cooperating with neighbours Brexiteers are antagonistic towards neighbours, to be honest I’m surprised French have been so accommodating at all first in patrols and then with actually having an it system and customs officers on their end after brexit something UK still hasn’t done and as results trucks are not checked (probably containing more migrants)

[Ignorantbliss]

[coypondboy]

The RNLI HQ is based in Poole and are thinking of renaming to Royal National Leg it over to Kent Institution and even provide ladders to help them onto the beaches.   They might supply ps5 consoles so the young men can play FIFA 21 whilst waiting to be shipped across the channel and a prayer room to praise allah for being rescued.

[VancouverGuy]

I'm guessing most people commenting on this subject have never been in a small vessel in open ocean in trouble.

I have. It's not a nice place to be. Particularly with your young kids next to you.

[Gbob]

Why are the French not stopping them at their other borders, on the way into France. Presumably they do not magically appear in Calais but had to travel across other countries to reach French, so why can't they challenged at the borders of other countries to determine if they are genuine asylum seekers and sent packing if they're not. If every country did this they should be stopped at whatever point they Enter Europe. If this puts the burden on one or two countries on the outskirts of Europe then all European countries could contribute towards building a big processing centre. (A big old wall and some soldiers pointing guns around would send the right message, instead of sending out a welcome party and hotel accommodation as we seem to do now) Failed asylum seekers could be sent back home and the genuine ones allocated to countries across Europe on a fair basis. We're not in the EU but I'm sure the UK would be willing to help pitch in a few million towards it and be willing to accept 2 or 3 thousand of genuine cases. Something has to be done to stop the thousand odd illegally coming here every week at the moment. There seems to be no end to it.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Glenn

[PeanutButter]

You know, if we just helped women in developing countries to have control over their education and contraception there might not be millions of destitute people clamouring to enter our borders.

This is what happens when you allow 12 year old girls to get married off and give birth 10 times. 

[yelims]

1 hour ago, Glenn said:

Why are the French not stopping them at their other borders, on the way into France. Presumably they do not magically appear in Calais but had to travel across other countries to reach French, so why can't they challenged at the borders of other countries to determine if they are genuine asylum seekers and sent packing if they're not. If every country did this they should be stopped at whatever point they Enter Europe. If this puts the burden on one or two countries on the outskirts of Europe then all European countries could contribute towards building a big processing centre. (A big old wall and some soldiers pointing guns around would send the right message, instead of sending out a welcome party and hotel accommodation as we seem to do now) Failed asylum seekers could be sent back home and the genuine ones allocated to countries across Europe on a fair basis. We're not in the EU but I'm sure the UK would be willing to help pitch in a few million towards it and be willing to accept 2 or 3 thousand of genuine cases. Something has to be done to stop the thousand odd illegally coming here every week at the moment. There seems to be no end to it.

What do you propose French do put migrants in concentration camps?

You should be asking 

1. Why is Uk paying France and not capable of controlling border itself 

2. why leave Eu and lose ability to simply return them France after rescuing from sea

[yelims]

1 hour ago, PeanutButter said:

You know, if we just helped women in developing countries to have control over their education and contraception there might not be millions of destitute people clamouring to enter our borders.

This is what happens when you allow 12 year old girls to get married off and give birth 10 times. 

Didn’t Tories cut all foreign aid part of which could have went on education 

as for human rights be hard to preach them when Brexit was about literally removing human rights

[Staffsknot]

Patel is just doing a fan dance for the Daily Mailers - the policy falls on its **** unless they come across in a cabin cruiser.

As I will explain again for the umpteenth time you cannot do anything that would endanger the lives of those onboard. That is maritime law.

They can simply roll into the water if they want and now you are obliged to pick them up.

They can ditch the engine which means towing them to edge of French waters and hoping you can push them in. A risk assessment would say no chance sunshine and you can't leave until they are intercepted by another vessel.

They could sabotage their vessel - no longer seaworthy so require rescue.

Or there's the fact most assessments would put a RIB as not suitable for cross Channel use and endangering occupants and shipping. 

In short its a lot of words for people who like hearing a lot of words but have no idea about practicalities.

[Staffsknot]

1 hour ago, PeanutButter said:

You know, if we just helped women in developing countries to have control over their education and contraception there might not be millions of destitute people clamouring to enter our borders.

This is what happens when you allow 12 year old girls to get married off and give birth 10 times. 

The whirlwind of folks saying not my problem in the past is it becomes a bigger unavoidable one in the present

[Staffsknot]

27 minutes ago, yelims said:

Didn’t Tories cut all foreign aid part of which could have went on education 

At the time an old neighbour in the village shop read the headline and said loudly - They should be spending that money here instead... I told him they will do just on border controls as people starving to death in dirt poor regions don't just think ok I'll die here because its convenient.

[debtlessmanc]

On 10/09/2021 at 08:53, Staffsknot said:

Patel is just doing a fan dance for the Daily Mailers - the policy falls on its **** unless they come across in a cabin cruiser.

As I will explain again for the umpteenth time you cannot do anything that would endanger the lives of those onboard. That is maritime law.

They can simply roll into the water if they want and now you are obliged to pick them up.

They can ditch the engine which means towing them to edge of French waters and hoping you can push them in. A risk assessment would say no chance sunshine and you can't leave until they are intercepted by another vessel.

They could sabotage their vessel - no longer seaworthy so require rescue.

Or there's the fact most assessments would put a RIB as not suitable for cross Channel use and endangering occupants and shipping. 

In short its a lot of words for people who like hearing a lot of words but have no idea about practicalities.

Apparently the Australians used to give them a brand new unsinkable boat, put them in it and then push them back the other way. I guess that would meet maritime law?
 

anyway it has obviously got to the ridiculous stage, better to open the borders and introduce an ID card system, hire 100k border staff to raid business looking for illegal workers. There is already a 2 year wait to actually get your asylum case heard, that would increase to 10-20-30 years. Coming to the U.K. would rapidly become pointless.

[Brendan110_0]

On 10/09/2021 at 07:13, Glenn said:

Why are the French not stopping them at their other borders, on the way into France. Presumably they do not magically appear in Calais but had to travel across other countries to reach French, so why can't they challenged at the borders of other countries to determine if they are genuine asylum seekers and sent packing if they're not. If every country did this they should be stopped at whatever point they Enter Europe. If this puts the burden on one or two countries on the outskirts of Europe then all European countries could contribute towards building a big processing centre. (A big old wall and some soldiers pointing guns around would send the right message, instead of sending out a welcome party and hotel accommodation as we seem to do now) Failed asylum seekers could be sent back home and the genuine ones allocated to countries across Europe on a fair basis. We're not in the EU but I'm sure the UK would be willing to help pitch in a few million towards it and be willing to accept 2 or 3 thousand of genuine cases. Something has to be done to stop the thousand odd illegally coming here every week at the moment. There seems to be no end to it.

I'd get rid of all borders, the planet belongs to all of us, should be able to live and work anywhere.

[Gbob]

1 hour ago, debtlessmanc said:

There is already a 2 year wait to actually get your asylum case heard, that would increase to 10-20-30 years. Coming to the U.K. would rapidly become pointless.

Well its not pointless because they get a nice hotel room, no bills and spending money while they wait for their case to be heard. 

[Lucky Larry]

Cheap labour prepared to work cash in hand and rent off unscrupulous buy to let landlords who will pack them to the rafters . Patel is quite happy to talk tough and do nothing . All she has to do is announce that anyone arriving from a safe EU country bypassing customs will  automatically have any request for asylum refused and returned to their country of origin.  

[Insane]

On 08/09/2021 at 09:47, winkie said:

we take only a small proportion of migrants in comparison to some other countries that are often much poorer than us.

Could you name some please.