HairyOb1 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, ccc said: Are you actually saying the referendum should have had addendum 1-13577 stating this equals x and y equals z and we will leave EU directive 2.3456 but we won't leave EU directive 3.6788 etc. Just so I am clear. If we had these thousands of pages of detail on the form you would be perfectly accepting of the result now ? Just to make it clear. Well, if I was on the fence and not driven by craven racism, then I would have preferred the whole argument to be based on facts, e.g. EEA, EFTA membership, what we'd have to pay, which EU institutions we'd be leaving, or paying for access, what the reality was with regards services, 80% of our economy, would we still have to acquiesce to FOM of some sorts, would we actually have to negotiate leaving and therefore concede positions, what would we still remain part of, would we still be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, would we actually be independent or still party to the EU's rules on the 4 freedoms. I could go on, but I am sure you get the gist. The question I was asked, was do I want to stay in the EU. For me, that was quite an easy question to answer; do you want to maintain the status quo. Leave was basically, look, you're going to have to trust me on this, because we're going to now tell you a very big bunch of lies, because the reality is, no one knows, yet, what leaving entails, apart from ccc, of course, because he knew everything before anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairyOb1 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, pig said: Well there goes Boris It's magic this, the facade is simply crumbling around May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguel Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Yes Johnson gone and it's the EU that's collapsing. Bull fckin sht Brexiters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, pig said: Well there goes Boris Do we have chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABZ_RVK Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 WOW Thats a crazy drama unfolding at no 10. Time for the PM to resign as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Do we have chaos Do we have Michael Gove as Foreign Secretary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageWar Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 19 minutes ago, ccc said: Exactly. We voted to leave. Let's leave. Again - it ain't rocket science. No no no. That kind of crap wouldn't be accepted anywhere in any legal or contractual context. What kind of shit are trying to spin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Funn3r said: I think you're wrong about México not paying for it. I would imagine they are seriously worried about Trump pulling outsourcing businesses back to the US. México is a huge car exporter and Trump has already scuppered Toyota and Ford's plans to move production. The Ford plant was already half built and they just abandoned it when he put pressure on. I'm fairly sure the President of Mexico said Mexico would pay nothing. Why would Trump ask Congress for funding if he was confident Mexico would cave?!! Edited July 9, 2018 by Kosmin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Do we have chaos Finally......we have chaos This is really entertaining... resignation after resignation......... .Brexit means Exit! (if you are a part of the brexit team ) Edited July 9, 2018 by IMHAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smash Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Do we have chaos Is this getting towards one of those situations where the military declare martial law? Tanks on Whitehall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, IMHAL said: Finally......we have chaos This is really entertaining... resignation after resignation......... .Brexit means Exit! (if you are a part of the brexit team ) Boris for PM? But never forget that, to use a word that Boris wouldn't, Boris is a bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguel Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Tories in chaos, meltdown. They'll still have a 5 point poll lead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, HairyOb1 said: Well, if I was on the fence and not driven by craven racism, then I would have preferred the whole argument to be based on facts, e.g. EEA, EFTA membership, what we'd have to pay, which EU institutions we'd be leaving, or paying for access, what the reality was with regards services, 80% of our economy, would we still have to acquiesce to FOM of some sorts, would we actually have to negotiate leaving and therefore concede positions, what would we still remain part of, would we still be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, would we actually be independent or still party to the EU's rules on the 4 freedoms. I could go on, but I am sure you get the gist. The question I was asked, was do I want to stay in the EU. For me, that was quite an easy question to answer; do you want to maintain the status quo. Leave was basically, look, you're going to have to trust me on this, because we're going to now tell you a very big bunch of lies, because the reality is, no one knows, yet, what leaving entails, apart from ccc, of course, because he knew everything before anyone else. So that's a no then to my question Your logic is terrible. Do you know precisely exactly what being within the EU will entail over the next decade ? Do you know what things will remain the same and those that will change ? Of course not. There is no such thing as voting for the "status quo". It doesn't exist. Never has - never will. Both sides of the vote were riddled with uncertainty. You are just pissed off you were on the losing side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Locke said: Oh the horror of people having control of their own wealth. think the best case for the UK is to simply abolish tariffs on foreign trade (which ultimately are paid solely by us, the British consumer) and pick and choose which regulations should be enforced within our borders. Britain has been living beyond its means for many years, based on government and corporate debt and exporting financial fraud. The reality is, this will end at some point, voluntarily or no. I understand that taking a crack addict's coke away makes them very twitchy but it's that or die in the gutter. What a walking contradiction you are. In one post you want free import tariffs, in another you say consumerism is the problem we need to cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) dupe Edited July 9, 2018 by jonb2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) dupe Edited July 9, 2018 by jonb2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Do we have chaos I think we have end-game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, HairyOb1 said: So, riddle me this. If people knew what they voted for, how comes Gove of the Leave campaign claims May’s fudge is what people voted for, while Farage of the Leave EU campaign claims it’s a betrayal. They can’t both be right, simultaneously, surely. Farage is correct. Gove is not. Or do you think that every single person who is part of every single political party or campaign thinks exactly the same all of the time ? Well aside from the SNP of course. 13 minutes ago, WageWar said: No no no. That kind of crap wouldn't be accepted anywhere in any legal or contractual context. What kind of shit are trying to spin? It is a basic question with a basic answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 May on BBC News Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, HairyOb1 said: It's magic this, the facade is simply crumbling around May. Scales fell from my eyes after Windrush. But I’m not sure what else she could have done. That might have been the last chance for the Tory’s to deliver Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think May will survive for now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Invective Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Anyone who thinks this is going to end in any kind of Brexit is in cloud cuckoo land. Nobody can deliver it. You think Labour want to have a crack at it? Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, GrizzlyDave said: I think May will survive for now... I hope not, but if nothing else, she is a survivor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, GrizzlyDave said: I think May will survive for now... For her to fall, it would require a brexiter to actually want to be in charge of brexit. How likely do we think that is? None of them want to be exposed. On the other hand, if there are any that truly believe in the brexit unicorn then this is really their last chance to step up. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simvastatin Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think Gove will resign by 7pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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