Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[yelims]

1 hour ago, pig said:

Yes but remember that half of Britain is living in an echo chamber behind its own version of the iron curtain while the rest of us look on. The EU can only deal with whats in front of it but the tricky thing for the EU and the European countries to remember is that while it might appear that way its not that over 50% of the country suddenly disappeared over night on 2016.

Yeh there’s still fading hope for a sudden outbreak of common sense and this ideological nonsense coming from Russian plants like Cummings is exposed for a load of quack it is

however with a first past the post system and media in bed with government and of course no checks and balances like a constitution, it looks like there’s nothing to put the breaks on the crazy train where half the passengers looking on in horror and other half are cheering for approaching broken bridge

[Peter Hun]

11 hours ago, yelims said:

We sent 30 million dozes in your direction and got zero back that is still an irrefutable fact.

No, it's a blatant lie. 

[rollover]

24 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

No, it's a blatant lie. 

How many millions was/is it?

[rollover]

AZ is toast:

 

The British Society for Haematology has issued guidance telling doctors to be “on alert” to a rare blood clotting condition, after the MHRA said 30 recipients of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have been affected by it in the UK.

Independent

[thecrashingisles]

55 minutes ago, rollover said:

AZ is toast:

The British Society for Haematology has issued guidance telling doctors to be “on alert” to a rare blood clotting condition, after the MHRA said 30 recipients of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have been affected by it in the UK.

Independent

You need to put these things in perspective. In the UK so far there have been 283 fatal events reported for the Pfizer vaccine.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975808/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

[yelims]

1 hour ago, thecrashingisles said:

You need to put these things in perspective. In the UK so far there have been 283 fatal events reported for the Pfizer vaccine.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975808/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

Let’s trade, Oxford vaccine from us for any other Covid vaccines in return 😏

Seems the compliant media can’t keep the lid on yet another AZ bad news.

at this rate you couldn’t give away that Oxford stuff 

[Confusion of VIs]

4 hours ago, thecrashingisles said:

You need to put these things in perspective. In the UK so far there have been 283 fatal events reported for the Pfizer vaccine.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975808/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-BiHow is a fatal eent defined. oNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

How is a fatal event defined., 

If it is just died in the days/weeks following the jab, what is the expected rate.  Without this information the raw number is meaningless   

[MARTINX9]

2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

How is a fatal event defined., 

If it is just died in the days/weeks following the jab, what is the expected rate.  Without this information the raw number is meaningless   

The majority of over 75s got the Pfizer vaccine - around 40,000 elderly people die every month in the UK.

If fatal events are having the Pfizer vaccine and dying shortly after we would surely be seeing tens of thousands of such fatal events.

[Peter Hun]

9 hours ago, rollover said:

AZ is toast:

 

The British Society for Haematology has issued guidance telling doctors to be “on alert” to a rare blood clotting condition, after the MHRA said 30 recipients of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have been affected by it in the UK.

Independent

It isn't AZ vaccine , it's Oxford Jenner. AZ were a later comer to the manufacturing process. UK government funded these sub contractors before AZ got involved.

 

The ChAdOx1 consortium includes the University of Oxford Jenner Institute, University of Oxford Clinical Biomanufacturing Facility, the Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre (VMIC), Advent Srl, Pall Life Sciences, Cobra Biologics and Halix BV.

 

https://www.outsourcedpharma.com/doc/cobra-biologics-proud-to-be-part-of-a-consortium-rapidly-develop-covid-vaccine-0001

 

[Peter Hun]

9 hours ago, rollover said:

How many millions was/is it?

Of the Azn vaccine, very little. UK is self sufficient. 

Most of the components (10 million doses per month) of the Pfizer vaccine is exported to the EU from the Uk, before being assembled in the EU for re-export back to the UK.

So  technically, none.

 

[Peter Hun]

4 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

The majority of over 75s got the Pfizer vaccine - around 40,000 elderly people die every month in the UK.

If fatal events are having the Pfizer vaccine and dying shortly after we would surely be seeing tens of thousands of such fatal events.

Over 20million AZN have been given, out of 34? Million total.

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

Hey, what ever happened to the Brexit thread? Focus, guys n girls come on.

What about how the spin has falsely claimed that Brexit is THE reason why the vaccine rollout has been a success for 30m first doses when compared to the EU. Unchallenged propaganda whilst the bulk of the voting UK public has bought into this as a fact.

[winkie]

As said many times, nobody is safe until we are all safe.......it is not a competition.

[Confusion of VIs]

7 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

The majority of over 75s got the Pfizer vaccine - around 40,000 elderly people die every month in the UK.

If fatal events are having the Pfizer vaccine and dying shortly after we would surely be seeing tens of thousands of such fatal events.

Yes and that's why without an exact definition of a fatal event the figures are meaningless. 

[Gigantic Purple Slug]

13 hours ago, rollover said:

AZ is toast:

 

The British Society for Haematology has issued guidance telling doctors to be “on alert” to a rare blood clotting condition, after the MHRA said 30 recipients of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have been affected by it in the UK.

Independent

Do you want the vaccine to fail ?

Whose interest is that in ?

Edited April 3, 2021 by Gigantic Purple Slug

[debtlessmanc]

14 hours ago, rollover said:

AZ is toast:

 

The British Society for Haematology has issued guidance telling doctors to be “on alert” to a rare blood clotting condition, after the MHRA said 30 recipients of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have been affected by it in the UK.

Independent

Please pay attention, the UK indemnified AZ in May last year, it cannot lose money on this.

[debtlessmanc]

1 hour ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said:

Hey, what ever happened to the Brexit thread? Focus, guys n girls come on.

What about how the spin has falsely claimed that Brexit is THE reason why the vaccine rollout has been a success for 30m first doses when compared to the EU. Unchallenged propaganda whilst the bulk of the voting UK public has bought into this as a fact.

If we were in the EU in January, the EU would have demanded we hand over our vaccines and we would have meekly complied as we have done for 50 years. When other countries tried to do their own deals early on they were told to join the EU scheme or else. The difference in Vaccine distribution between the UK and the EU is so obviously a result of brexit thast arguing otherwise is just a blatant display of the delusions ofr the EU's proponents that many of us find so disturbing. Many people my age range (early 50's) were converted from the kind of remain voting eurosceptics (it was a worth putting up for the trade) into leave leaners because of this stuff, the drive for mediocrity that seems to obsess most of the EU.

 

[Gigantic Purple Slug]

1 hour ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said:

Hey, what ever happened to the Brexit thread? Focus, guys n girls come on.

What about how the spin has falsely claimed that Brexit is THE reason why the vaccine rollout has been a success for 30m first doses when compared to the EU. Unchallenged propaganda whilst the bulk of the voting UK public has bought into this as a fact.

What spin ?

There may be a few people saying that, in the same way there are probably a few remainers saying remain is good because it makes their holidays easier, or because they want to buy a big house somewhere.

The government will shout about the program being a success. Seeing as they have to take the flak for everything that is going wrong, it's probably only fair that they are allowed to take credit for things that go right. But I don't think they are placing emphasis on it as a result of Brexit, more as good planning. Rather than trying to play it as a victory for the UK over the EU, they can take the moral high ground and call for co-operation because  they are in the stronger position. It's the EU that appear to be making consistent mistakes. Fundamentally the EU has screwed its program up so badly so far the government doesn't actually need to "spin" anything. This of course is a tragedy for the EU people, and the current state of the coronavirus in France, Italy, Poland and a host of the smaller states reflects that.

I don't think the vaccine program can be used to solely justify Brexit, but it may help make a case that in a worldwide emergency we are better off looking after our own interests rather than delegating that to the EU.

Can you explain how the UK vaccination program would have run better in the event of no Brexit ? If we had subscribed to the EU vaccine procurement program how would that have worked out ?

 

[Huggy]

22 minutes ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said:

Can you explain how the UK vaccination program would have run better in the event of no Brexit ? If we had subscribed to the EU vaccine procurement program how would that have worked out ?

 

I suspect the answer will be along the lines of. Brexit is fundamentally bad, therefore anything the UK does forever into the future will also be fundamentally bad.

And Boris is bad because of something too.

This image below is a lovely graphic. It shows, visually, how proud we can be of our great country in our tireless determination to be satisfied with nothing other than the best. So glad my vote for Leave in 2016 was finally enacted (Thanks Boris ♥️)

I am absolutely busting to have my vaccine now, even the deadly (lol!!!) Oxford AZ one. A 1/1,000,000 chance of dying vs a 1/500 chance of dying? First 1 pls, thx.

28 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

 

 

 

Edited April 3, 2021 by Huggy

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

23 minutes ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said:

There may be a few people saying that...

See the post before and below yours lol.

 

23 minutes ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said:

Can you explain how the UK vaccination program would have run better in the event of no Brexit ? If we had subscribed to the EU vaccine procurement program how would that have worked out ?

The UK could have been in or out of the EU vaccine procurement program reguardless of Brexit. The number of doses manufactured would have been roughly the same, though there have been X millions of doses manufactured and the UK has managed to aquire the larger chunk to date. Albeit with some gambling and the cost data I have not yet seen.

Has the UK gov't actions increased the number of doses manufactured or just been able to get the jump on its share earlier than might have otherwise been?

[debtlessmanc]

18 minutes ago, Huggy said:

This image below is a lovely graphic. It shows, visually, how proud we can be of our great country in our tireless determination to be satisfied with nothing other than the best. So glad my vote for Leave in 2016 was finally enacted (Thanks Boris ♥️)

Nothing to do with Boris, Would have happened for any independent UK govt. Believe it or not UK politicians do actually tend to listen to scientists., at least when they are convinced that the problem they are facing is a scientific one. As opposed to Macron who has happily been ignoring all the advice and now, apparently, believes that he himself is a world expert in virus transmission.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/02/covid-cases-france-emmanuel-macron-french-president-lockdown-mistakes

""Richard Ferrand, the speaker of the national assembly, declared that Macron “could easily write a PhD dissertation on Covid-19”.

Edited April 3, 2021 by debtlessmanc

[debtlessmanc]

9 minutes ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said:

The UK could have been in or out of the EU vaccine procurement program reguardless of Brexit.

Come on,be honest. Suppose the UK had somehow managed to stay in the EU and out of the vaccine program. What hope would it have had to retain it's vaccines? As things stand the EU can blame the evil brexiting province of Brittannia for its woes. Can you imagine the uproar if a major member states was vaccinating its population at 3 times the rate of any other?!

Edited April 3, 2021 by debtlessmanc

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

The reaction should be about the same as what we are observing now.

The UK should have done an NZ, closed borders, only a few hundred dead. Instead we have +160k excess deaths and +600k injured (many life changing). Again, regardless of Brexit.

 

[zugzwang]

12 minutes ago, Huggy said:

This image below is a lovely graphic. It shows, visually, how proud we can be of our great country in our tireless determination to be satisfied with nothing other than the best. So glad my vote for Leave in 2016 was finally enacted (Thanks Boris ♥️)

 

Best at what? Building a pile of bones to the Moon? Cratering the economy into the floor?

The UK has failed spectacularly in its response to the Covid 19 pandemic, as has every other country in the G10 with the possible exception of Japan. None of them deserve a winner's badge.

 

[dugsbody]

On 02/04/2021 at 10:12, pig said:

🤦‍♂️ Back to the victimhood fantasies.

To be fair, @Huggy probably is the type of person that happens to.

Maybe he has a point with the Brits too. There has always been a superiority complex in the UK vs the continent, obviously, since there are television shows made to satirise exactly this. So it's hardly surprising that European continentals view the Brits with the same underlying suspicion.