Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[byron78]

1 hour ago, pig said:

Aha, got it  (+ @Staffsknot) 

Still pretty wild though. If they are prepared to be openly and arrogantly corrupt to this extent does that mean they are expecting real trouble out of future investigations ?

 

 

 

It means they suspect there's been criminal activity within the party and are actively working to contain it.

[yelims]

1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

This made me guffaw

Staff shortages see UK meat carcasses sent to EU for butchering

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59150767

Perhaps we should simply send them our farms as well - after all it's all part of the Selling England by the Pound cult, AKA Brexit.

This will only work for as long as UK continues to not do any checks on imports 

which probably be a while as none of the 50000 customs officials been hired and no money allocated 

eventually likes of Argentina and Brazil figure out they can dump into uk market, tho high shipping costs at moment sorta prevent that

[yelims]

https://www.easterneye.biz/us-eu-trade-deal-puts-british-steel-exporters-at-disadvantage/
 

BRITISH steelmakers feel the recent trade deal between the EU and the US ending the import duty on several items has put the UK at a “competitive disadvantage”.

[rollover]

Brexit riots in Northern Ireland

In the capital of Northern Ireland, Belfast, there were riots and clashes with the police dissatisfied with the part of the Brexit agreement on Northern Ireland.

Police said protesters threw stones and firecrackers at them. The protesters damaged three police cars and burned several garbage cans. None of the officers were hurt. Closer to 23 o’clock, the situation stabilized.

Earlier it became known that after Brexit in Britain, exports to the EU fell sharply. Imports of goods from the European Union fell 29% in the first month after the final Brexit, while exports fell more than 40%.

perild

[yelims]

But the Welsh government accused Conservative ministers of "short-changing Wales".

Instead of Wales, under EU funds, receiving at least £375m annually in new money to invest from January this year, a spokesman said the announcement "confirms Wales will receive just £46m". 

"This is not 'levelling up', it's levelling down," he added.
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59142481

 

leveling down 😂

[pig]

5 hours ago, Huggy said:

Afternoon team. I hope we are having a good week

Looks like the Brexit option has now been removed from the categories across the BBC website header, replaced by 'Climate' it seems. Good to see they have started the healing process.

 

Give over 😂 

You aren't interested in 'healing' you're just hoping as much of the mounting evidence of the 'crime' is obscured as possible.

[jonb2]

6 hours ago, Huggy said:

Afternoon team. I hope we are having a good week

Looks like the Brexit option has now been removed from the categories across the BBC website header, replaced by 'Climate' it seems. Good to see they have started the healing process.

 

Nobody should get their news from the BBC any more. They are shitting themselves with fear and wouldn't say boo to a goose.

Why?

"Don't expect BBC to expose sun filled uplands con.

Tim Davie, BBC Director-General, is a former Tory politician.

Richard Sharp, BBC Chairman, is a former Tory donor, banker, and advisor to Boris. He was appointed by Gov.

4 out of 12 BBC Board are appointed by Gov, the rest are chosen by Board itself.

Over 80% of press is owned by handful of Tory supporting, tax evading, non-dom billionaires."

 

[rollover]

A post-Brexit encore ...

France and Britain agree to more talks on fishing row

France and Britain agreed on Thursday to step up efforts to resolve a fishing row, but much remains to be done and all options are on the table should talks fail, French European Affairs Minister Clement Beaune said.

Thursday's meeting was "useful and positive", with more talks due next week, Beaune said, welcoming a new "state of mind" in the relationship and adding that he had agreed with Frost to intensify talks on the licences.

"All options are still on the table," Beaune said, adding: "as long as dialogue seems possible ... we are giving it a chance, with no naivety ... and with a requirement to see results."

france24

 

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

The Oxford Dictionary defines a rogue nation as a nation or state regarded as breaking international law and posing a threat to the security of other nations.

Cabal, a secret political clique or faction.

Banana republic, a small state that is politically unstable as a result of the domination of its economy by a single export controlled by foreign capital. Such as Tax havens and money laundering?

 

Are we on our way there yet?

[Staffsknot]

1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

Nobody should get their news from the BBC any more. They are shitting themselves with fear and wouldn't say boo to a goose.

Why?

"Don't expect BBC to expose sun filled uplands con.

Tim Davie, BBC Director-General, is a former Tory politician.

Richard Sharp, BBC Chairman, is a former Tory donor, banker, and advisor to Boris. He was appointed by Gov.

4 out of 12 BBC Board are appointed by Gov, the rest are chosen by Board itself.

Over 80% of press is owned by handful of Tory supporting, tax evading, non-dom billionaires."

 

Emily Maitlis highlighted Boris is up before that committee on Newsnight. Even pointed out he benefits and is it higher up the food chain this is for. Just watched it on iPlayer.

That's pretty damning and anti-gov

[Staffsknot]

50 minutes ago, rollover said:

A post-Brexit encore ...

France and Britain agree to more talks on fishing row

France and Britain agreed on Thursday to step up efforts to resolve a fishing row, but much remains to be done and all options are on the table should talks fail, French European Affairs Minister Clement Beaune said.

Thursday's meeting was "useful and positive", with more talks due next week, Beaune said, welcoming a new "state of mind" in the relationship and adding that he had agreed with Frost to intensify talks on the licences.

"All options are still on the table," Beaune said, adding: "as long as dialogue seems possible ... we are giving it a chance, with no naivety ... and with a requirement to see results."

france24

 

Expect a blow up of some sort to hide the latest sleeze row

[debtlessmanc]

It seems the people on the ground are missing the uk

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/04/eu-urged-to-finalise-uks-membership-of-80bn-research-programme

[onlooker]

8 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

It seems the people on the ground are missing the uk

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/04/eu-urged-to-finalise-uks-membership-of-80bn-research-programme

If I read that correctly, we put in £2 billion/year, and we get £1 billion/year back in research grants, and there are British academics who think that is great value for money for British taxpayers?

[Staffsknot]

15 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

It seems the people on the ground are missing the uk

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/04/eu-urged-to-finalise-uks-membership-of-80bn-research-programme

Or put more objectively they can't structure collaborative projects without knowing if we are in or out.

In or out doesn't matter they want the decision. It isn't they are missing the UK its the limbo state. Know some folks at CERN and they had similar convos as take UK grads on placements, yet during Brexit had no idea if we would stay in the programme. It potentially ballsed up a lot of decision making as this does.

Its like trying to pick a starting 11 but not knowing if everyone will beeligible to play.

The missing us is your slant. Our scientists and their scientists want to collaborate. Its not one way.

[OnionTerror]

 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

16 hours ago, rollover said:

Brexit riots in Northern Ireland

In the capital of Northern Ireland, Belfast, there were riots and clashes with the police dissatisfied with the part of the Brexit agreement on Northern Ireland.

Police said protesters threw stones and firecrackers at them. The protesters damaged three police cars and burned several garbage cans. None of the officers were hurt. Closer to 23 o’clock, the situation stabilized.

Earlier it became known that after Brexit in Britain, exports to the EU fell sharply. Imports of goods from the European Union fell 29% in the first month after the final Brexit, while exports fell more than 40%.

perild

You’d be fooling yourself if you think that little englander Brexit voters care for the sensibilities of one of their colonial outposts. 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

Just some more winning:

 

Brexit red tape knocks £17bn off UK trade with EU in just three months, watchdog finds

Exporters forced to fill in 48 million customs declarations and 140,000 health certificates over eight-month period

[slawek]

1 hour ago, Dave Beans said:

 

I doubt the EU will suspend TCA in a response to the UK invoking Art. 16. They've showed a lot of patience with the UK gov so far. A strong limited response is more likely. The fishing row shows that Boris is capable of giving ground if pushed hard enough.  

[Staffsknot]

32 minutes ago, slawek said:

I doubt the EU will suspend TCA in a response to the UK invoking Art. 16. They've showed a lot of patience with the UK gov so far. A strong limited response is more likely. The fishing row shows that Boris is capable of giving ground if pushed hard enough.  

The issue with Boris climbdowns is simply how they are reported.

JFK and the Cuban missile crisis was reported as him forcing the Russians to back down. Virtually no mention was made of US missiles being removed from Turkey. JFK was seen as the winner even though he conceded things.

So it is with Brexit - the friendly outlets ignore the concessions, anyone reporting it is a 'down on Britain remainer'.

Tis the same con

 

[jonb2]

13 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

Emily Maitlis highlighted Boris is up before that committee on Newsnight. Even pointed out he benefits and is it higher up the food chain this is for. Just watched it on iPlayer.

That's pretty damning and anti-gov

She is a faint light light in a cold, murky sea. There is certainly a brief among BBC types to tow the right wing propaganda line. Which any right-minded <sic!> person knows is not only sad, but dangerous. The best thing media should/can do is hold power to account.

Instead we have this:

BBC to 'speak to' Emily Maitlis after 'impartiality breach' comments | The National
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19465063.bbc-speak-to-emily-maitlis-impartiality-breach-comments/

BBC News Insider Slams Reprimand Of ‘Newsnight’ Host Emily Maitlis – Deadline
https://deadline.com/2020/05/emily-maitlis-bbc-newsnight-insider-slams-weak-and-embarrassing-decision-reprimand-1202945197/

She is an outlier. Kuenssberg is more their thing. She even has a subliminal hint of what she is in her surname.

The government can do what the hell they like - and are doing so. Fecking the country completely - over and over again.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by jonb2

[yelims]

3 hours ago, slawek said:

I doubt the EU will suspend TCA in a response to the UK invoking Art. 16. They've showed a lot of patience with the UK gov so far. A strong limited response is more likely. The fishing row shows that Boris is capable of giving ground if pushed hard enough.  

To the contrary EU is gearing up for a swift sharp kick in balls

 

French customs can “work to rule” and things like data adequacy can be yanked overnight 

not to mention what 9-12 months of more uncertainty do to uk businesses…

Edited November 5, 2021 by yelims

[slawek]

6 minutes ago, yelims said:

To the contrary EU is gearing up for a swift sharp kick in balls

 

French customs can “work to rule” and things like data adequacy can be yanked overnight 

not to mention what 9-12 months of more uncertainty do to uk businesses…

It could be just a tough talk. I still can't imagine the EU terminating/suspending TCA. It would create huge problems for the EU exporters and other groups. 

[yelims]

17 minutes ago, slawek said:

It could be just a tough talk. I still can't imagine the EU terminating/suspending TCA. It would create huge problems for the EU exporters and other groups. 

Why would it? Uk don’t have capability or people to inspect incoming goods
While in the other direction the infrastructure to examine UK exports to continent are there and the French are well pissed off

[Dweller]

5 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

Just some more winning:

 

Brexit red tape knocks £17bn off UK trade with EU in just three months, watchdog finds

Exporters forced to fill in 48 million customs declarations and 140,000 health certificates over eight-month period

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-wipes-17bn-off-uk-trade-with-the-eu-in-just-three-months-300061/

Despite ministers claiming the issues are “teething problems”, the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested Brexit will cause GDP to fall by four per cent – twice the loss from the Covid pandemic.

The NAO blamed Brexit for a sharp decline in trade between the UK and EU this year. “Total trade in goods between the UK and EU was 15 per cent (£17bn) less in Quarter 2 when compared with the equivalent quarter in 2018,” the watchdog’s report said.

By contrast, over the same period, “UK trade with the rest of the world was up one per cent (£1bn)”. In September, it emerged Brexit-related trade barriers rose to £2.2 billion in UK business costs in the first half of this year.

Edited November 5, 2021 by Dweller

[OnionTerror]

1 hour ago, slawek said:

It could be just a tough talk. I still can't imagine the EU terminating/suspending TCA. It would create huge problems for the EU exporters and other groups. 

Don’t forget that a “full brexit” has yet been established.  We are still letting goods through.  We still don’t have the infrastructure to perform sps checks et al.…or that that the new third country visa regime has yet started..

Edited November 5, 2021 by Dave Beans