Telegraph: If you’re under 50, it’s time to jump ship – get out of Britain while you can

[zugzwang]

5 minutes ago, RentingForever said:

The irony here is that the Telegraph's solution - move to another country - is now infinitely more complicated thanks to the very Brexit that the Telegraph campaigned so hard for, and still defends 

One of the many ironies in that article.

[petetong]

Good luck emigrating to other countries, they ain't the UK, their migration rules are a lot stricter.  The UK government's aim is to reduce wage levels and increase property prices and rental yields. It ain't going to get better as the main political parties are VI's and incapable of doing anything else. 

[abbot26]

3 hours ago, jonb2 said:

either though incompetence or greed or both in the present case.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

3 hours ago, jonb2 said:

just wrong about Brexit being part of the answer.

Couldn’t agree less, Brexit has highlighted just how bad our politicians are, no more hiding behind the EU who’s politicians appear to be every bit as bad as ours.

I’ve no doubt Labour will be in power next, with the help of a 3rd party full of cranks, the price will be PR which maybe a good thing, I doubt it though, those cranks will always be somewhere on the table and we’ll end up in a perpetual state where nobody is happy with anything 

[abbot26]

3 hours ago, jonb2 said:

Well even here is better than a parched desert with skeletons of your livestock and being caught in the crossfire between warlords.

You think that’s why they come here do you ? Nothing to do with endless free sh!t ?
 

You have to admire the way they wear goose down puffa jackets in thee height of summer, they’ve picked the perfect place to escape that desert, southern Europe, no thanks, far too hot, we love the goose down.

[Bob8]

4 minutes ago, abbot26 said:

You think that’s why they come here do you ? Nothing to do with endless free sh!t ?

You have to admire the way they wear goose down puffa jackets in thee height of summer, they’ve picked the perfect place to escape that desert, southern Europe, no thanks, far too hot, we love the goose down.

Have you ever moved to live and work in a different nation? It is not easy. 

[Confusion of VIs]

27 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

Have you ever moved to live and work in a different nation? It is not easy. 

There is an asumption that after failing to make a good life for themselves in the UK they will magically manage it somewhere else. I don't see the logic in that as making a success of moving abroad without some specific in demand skill is difficult and those who could do it would have made a go of life here.    

I supect the Telegraph is more concerned that bankers/lawyers/IT specialists in the US can now earn 3x the UK salary than any real concern for the common man. 

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Confusion of VIs

[jonb2]

2 hours ago, pig said:

 

Correlation with the below map (2019) is a bit weak but you could argue people in some areas  are voting with a  'hang onto what they believe they've got' philosophy and in other areas are voting with a 'get more of a share of the wealth they are producing' philosophy.

Theres also an argument - (I've googled but not followed through on the links)  - that density of human capital increases productivity.

 

https://geographical.co.uk/geopolitics/mapping-the-2019-uk-general-election

 

I am sure it's true that human density increases productivity. My aim though was to illustrate the concentration of money radiating out from The City. The finance biz is what Thatcher plumped for and it led to a dire distribution of 'the good jobs' in the rest of the country.

A complete disaster.

[jonb2]

50 minutes ago, abbot26 said:

You think that’s why they come here do you ? Nothing to do with endless free sh!t ?
 

You have to admire the way they wear goose down puffa jackets in thee height of summer, they’ve picked the perfect place to escape that desert, southern Europe, no thanks, far too hot, we love the goose down.

I would say the majority of incomers are fleeing very bad situations. Ukraine, Hong-Kong, the Middle East and parts of Africa.

I have no idea about who gave them goose-down puffa jackets. I don't think they brought them with them. I don't think they are given enough money to buy them. Perhaps charities have cornered the market for them? Perhaps little old ladies are making sacrifices?

The UK attraction thing is a racket. The Tories enjoy getting tax-payers to pay their hotel owning donors wads of money. It's circular. Before you wonder about the veracity of this claim, why is non-EU immigration much higher now than before Brexit?

[Insane]

1 minute ago, jonb2 said:

I have no idea about who gave them goose-down puffa jackets. I don't think they brought them with them. I don't think they are given enough money to buy them. Perhaps charities have cornered the market for them? Perhaps little old ladies are making sacrifices?

I wonder who pays for their mobile phone bill and Cigarettes? 

Whenever you see clips of them outside hotels they are smoking Taylor made Cigarettes , the average smoking habit is now £80+ pounds per week. 

[reddog]

My choice would be:

Switzerland 

America (hard to get into)

Canada (formerly a number one choice but losing its appeal)

 

Seems a bit extreme to think people can move up until the age of 50 though.  Emigration is for younger people I would have thought.

 

 

[Housepricecrash91]

There's no good countries left to be fair, maybe some untapped locations like Scandinavia countries, maybe Portugal? 

 

[reddog]

3 minutes ago, Housepricecrash91 said:

There's no good countries left to be fair, maybe some untapped locations like Scandinavia countries, maybe Portugal? 

 

There are a lot of great places in Europe, but the problem is the sort of places I am thinking about don't have many jobs.

 

I would love to try northern Norway or Sweden, nice and remote, but not too many i.t. jobs.

[shlomo]

4 hours ago, Casual-observer said:

A £10 charge for an A&E admission would cut out 90% of the bullsh1t that staggers through it's doors. 

That is very elitist lots of poor people would stop using A&E so yes that would significantly reduce demand but is that morally right

[Casual-observer]

13 minutes ago, shlomo said:

That is very elitist lots of poor people would stop using A&E so yes that would significantly reduce demand but is that morally right

Why when it works in other countries such as Europe? 

I wouldn't call it elitist, it's pragmatic. As I said A&E can't be used (which it currently is) as some sort of wild west saloon for Britain's social collapse overspill to hang out in. 

You need to sit down with the average A&E nurse and see the absolute wasters who regularly pop for non emergency matters like it's a pub. Why should these nurses have to just accept the norm for their job is to be attacked and abused by drug users and bored alcoholics.

Yes these people you can argue need help but A&E isn't that place and they can't be allowed to drag down an entire service at the detriment of people with genuine emergencies. 

If you build it, they will come. 

If you allow A&E to be a free drop in centre for alcoholics to get bailed out weekly, then it's no skin off their nose to do just that. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Casual-observer

[shlomo]

42 minutes ago, Casual-observer said:

As I said A&E can't be used (which it currently is) as some sort of wild west saloon for Britain's social collapse overspill to hang out in. 

 

Why not, if they need help then it has to be provided

 

[winkie]

1 hour ago, reddog said:

There are a lot of great places in Europe, but the problem is the sort of places I am thinking about don't have many jobs.

 

I would love to try northern Norway or Sweden, nice and remote, but not too many i.t. jobs.

Work as a digital nomad.....and doing other work for expats that require local services......most people from Sweden speak English really well don't know so much about Norway, all I know they are energy secure.

[winkie]

1 hour ago, Housepricecrash91 said:

There's no good countries left to be fair, maybe some untapped locations like Scandinavia countries, maybe Portugal? 

 

Now mainly the older generation who have voted out of the free market, many who would have liked to move there will not be able to.....they benefited from it now they want to take it away from those young people that at the time 7 years ago had no say in the vote....

[Housepricecrash91]

2 hours ago, reddog said:

There are a lot of great places in Europe, but the problem is the sort of places I am thinking about don't have many jobs.

 

I would love to try northern Norway or Sweden, nice and remote, but not too many i.t. jobs.

Agreed. To be honest, the only thing that keeps me in Greater London is friends and family... Otherwise I would have moved away long ago.. Maybe there are still good places to live up north?

[PeanutButter]

8 hours ago, canbuywontbuy said:

I just got back from Japan a few days ago - just on holiday.  I also worked there before (20 years ago) for a few years in Tokyo (Kinshichou). Agreed, the cost of living there is very reasonable in comparison to salaries.  Zero transport costs to and from work, cheap to eat out (I was eating out at around £5 a head at most restaurants). I think the weak yen is helping. No idea on rental costs there these days, but took a quick look and see apartments for rent at around £700PCM in Kamata (20 mins ride from centre).  I just think it's easier to plan your finances in Japan given the virtually zero transport costs (as company pays), cheap food and what looks like reasonable rent.  I paid only £50 a night for a hotel room in Kamata - wasn't the cheapest by far either.  Great service, plenty of space.

I would like to spend 3 months a year there when I retire. But who knows what rules they’ll have in place by then.

I believe their business rates are also low, allowing small shops to flourish. Whereas we stifle enterprise. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by PeanutButter

[PeanutButter]

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Edited August 18, 2023 by PeanutButter

[pig]

 

4 hours ago, jonb2 said:

I am sure it's true that human density increases productivity. My aim though was to illustrate the concentration of money radiating out from The City. The finance biz is what Thatcher plumped for and it led to a dire distribution of 'the good jobs' in the rest of the country.

A complete disaster.

Sure - however the grand game of a kind of bait and switch thats enabled it is how we've ended up here.

The perennial question is always 'but why would (some) people vote in a government out to shaft their own voters' ? 

The wheels seem to have come off the Toris of late and its a bit baffling what they are doing. But I'm wondering if they aren't doing anything different, its just that they are running out of credulous demographics to vote for them in an ever more intensive Information Age.

Reductio absurdum - self-inflicted 'Beer-gate' whataboutery. Or  as the rivers literally fill up with sh1t they are left with trying to get people mouth-foaming over the idea of paedo furreners or whatever ludicrous distraction.

[abbot26]

5 hours ago, jonb2 said:

I would say the majority of incomers are fleeing very bad situations. Ukraine, Hong-Kong, the Middle East and parts of Africa.

I get the Ukraine thing, that doesn’t mean they should be able to stay long term, if/when war ends they should go back to Ukraine. I’m not on board with HK, they knew what was coming, it’s not our responsibility to bail them out

As for the Middle East, Africa, Albania etc, if these people are fleeing a very bad situation and want/need safety, how do you square away those same people moving through thousands of miles of safety to jump into a dangerously overloaded POS Chinese made rubber boat ? Are they still seeking safety ? Are they still fleeing a bad situation or are they choosing to come to the land of free stuff and 4* hotel rooms ?

Call it like it is Jon, it’s blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes. We can’t host the entire 3rd world, parts of the UK are becoming as lawless as the 3rd world, these people bring their standards with them, they don’t integrate, they decimate.

[abbot26]

7 hours ago, Bob8 said:

Have you ever moved to live and work in a different nation? It is not easy. 

Not yet, the wife works for a Dutch company, most weeks she’s in Holland, Belgium, France or Portugal, as we (the UK) continue descending into the plug hole it may become necessary to relocate. 

[RodCrosby]

Italy, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus.

All offer "golden hello" low flat-tax for "pensioners", which in practice means any UK person over 55 with a private pension pot.

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

The Torys got their beloved Brexit, trillions of offshore Tax haven activities remain cloaked from any regulatory spot light, job done. The infestation of 65m people in these UK islands with their prosperity and economic future, is a very low, almost insignificant priority. They can continue to scratch around, pretending they live in a free democratic society that elects a gov't to represent their interests, suckers!

 

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by DarkHorseWaits-NoMore
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