Telegraph: If you’re under 50, it’s time to jump ship – get out of Britain while you can

[abbot26]

1 hour ago, anonguest said:

The 'system' of democracy can work IF people use it.

Not a chance, politicians of the 3 main parties are in the service of the WEF, we are circling the drain, it all started with Blair, that is without question

[winkie]

3 minutes ago, anonguest said:

And how will that work?  Will there be some 21st century version of Douglas Adam's Babel Fish?

You wait and see.....put that simple devise inside your ear and it will translate for you everything you hear.....

[anonguest]

2 minutes ago, winkie said:

You wait and see.....put that simple devise inside your ear and it will translate for you everything you hear.....

OR say everything the authorities want you to hear  😉

[Timm]

42 minutes ago, rantnrave said:

I wrote to my Tory MP about Tory housing policy. He replied, saying he wasn't going to be drawn into an exchange with me since my email was obviously copy and pasted from a Shelter press release (it wasn't)

Interesting.

I would be very, very curious as to why his instinct is to ignore / discount any message that appears to reflect the views of Shelter. Is it because they are are a charity that seeks to protect the legal rights and interests of tenants and the homeless? Or some other reason?

Are you willing to provide the name of your MP and the text of your initial contact?

[Bruce Banner]

4 hours ago, abbot26 said:

Not a chance, politicians of the 3 main parties are in the service of the WEF, we are circling the drain, it all started with Blair, that is without question

Absolutely, but it can be stopped, and tactical voting is the key. 

[PeanutButter]

Meanwhile, in other countries, they want to come here.

[Bob8]

13 hours ago, skomer said:

But which country would you go to? The only one mentioned in that article I’d be interested in would be Denmark.
Australia and Ireland two of my preferred alternatives have housing problems as bad , if not worse in the case of Ireland, than the UK.

I have met many Americans recently, either where I work or holidaying in UK/Europe that are now actively considering a plan B in case Trump gets elected… many of them are looking at UK !

I am certainly enjoying life in Denmark and things are prospering, house prices are moderating and houses are about twice the size.

[Bob8]

15 hours ago, Notting Hell said:

Telegraph: If you’re under 50, it’s time to jump ship – get out of Britain while you can

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/08/17/under-50-time-jump-ship-leave-britain/

https://archive.ph/KwLlj

It is remarkable that a paper that has largely had things the way it wants for decades does not consider what got us here. It wanted low wages, high asset prices and the young being shat on. Now it is upset that we have low wages, high asset prices and the young being shat on.

[canbuywontbuy]

15 hours ago, skomer said:

I have met many Americans recently, either where I work or holidaying in UK/Europe that are now actively considering a plan B in case Trump gets elected… many of them are looking at UK !

They think the US has improved under Biden in the last 2.5 years? If so, I guess they could always move to those Democrat utopias like San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, New York or Philadelphia.

[Gbob]

A guy I know is moving to Australia next year. Says house prices are high there too in the popular cities but cheaper outside and he has scope to earn more money over there.

[Chunketh]

13 hours ago, abbot26 said:

Not a chance, politicians of the 3 main parties are in the service of the WEF, we are circling the drain, it all started with Blair, that is without question

You have to go back before Blair. Try 1986.

[莫迦探偵]

55 minutes ago, Gbob said:

A guy I know is moving to Australia next year. Says house prices are high there too in the popular cities but cheaper outside and he has scope to earn more money over there.

 

It's weird when you work elsewhere. I worked in Japan for 4 years and moved with a roughly 25% wage cut, but wanted to just "try the experience"

Turns out it wasn't a wage cut at the end of each month. For example, you can rent a 1 bed flat in the Tokyo equivalent of zone 1/2 for a grand a month AND it's paid BEFORE tax. And all your transport costs get expensed... I ended up saving much more than I was in the UK (even after sending it back)

[Sackboii]

14 hours ago, anonguest said:

And how will that work?  Will there be some 21st century version of Douglas Adam's Babel Fish?

Already there, just not publically available yet.

[winkie]

If property prices and rents reasonable and food and energy cheaper, climate fair and people friendly towards immigrants or newcomers, why need to earn as much.......what matters is what have left from a salary after all fixed costs of living, it may well be better than what got left from the money earned living here?

[winkie]

1 minute ago, Sackboii said:

Already there, just not publically available yet.

Can't wait......not long now, can make friends everywhere.

[BobAJob3]

2 hours ago, PeanutButter said:

Meanwhile, in other countries, they want to come here.

Exactly.

I wonder how old the people who write these articles are and whether they've actually been to any other countries - either for business or holidays.

I'd much prefer the state we're in now to the 1970's and 1980's. The country really was a sh@thole then (except a few nice areas in the South East of course). 

Yes, you could then buy a house for £9k. Most of our housing issues are down to the fact that we have 15-20million more people in the country. Similar issues in most other countries where you'd want to live. Yes, infrastructure is creaking, same everywhere.

Globally, population has doubled in my lifetime.

I don't understand how the UK always gets lambasted for the lack of productivity either. I work in a large global company. I deal with people in the US and India daily - and they are staggeringly more inefficient than the UK workers. The US guys get 2-3 times more pay. The Indian guys are cheaper but generally it takes 4-5 of them to do the same work as 1 person in the UK.

I went to the Caribbean last year. Lovely if you're in an all inclusive resort being served by people paid a couple of dollars a day. Step outside into the real country and see the thousands of "construction day workers" hanging around at 6/7am at every major road intersection to see if they've got any work today to feed their families.

I've been to countries in central Asia, where you constantly get "fined" by the police (basically bribes).

Like most countries, the US is great if you have money and a job. Not so great if you're skint.

France - lovely country, but, it shuts at 5pm, and increasingly expensive. Used to be cheap to go on holiday there, now food, fuel, eating out is extortionate. Again, like us, they have an aging workforce and infrastructure (motorways are great, but carry a lot less cars per km compared to crowded UK).

If the NHS is so rubbish and inefficient, how come BUPA etc don't offer heart transplants? They're good at doing the easy things of course.

 

[Trampa501]

Love the idea of the Telegraph (and other right wingers) now encouraging economic migration. Good for Brits from a privileged background, but to be condemned if it's poor folk fleeing a bombed-out wasteland.

[winkie]

53 minutes ago, BobAJob3 said:

Exactly.

I wonder how old the people who write these articles are and whether they've actually been to any other countries - either for business or holidays.

I'd much prefer the state we're in now to the 1970's and 1980's. The country really was a sh@thole then (except a few nice areas in the South East of course). 

Yes, you could then buy a house for £9k. Most of our housing issues are down to the fact that we have 15-20million more people in the country. Similar issues in most other countries where you'd want to live. Yes, infrastructure is creaking, same everywhere.

Globally, population has doubled in my lifetime.

I don't understand how the UK always gets lambasted for the lack of productivity either. I work in a large global company. I deal with people in the US and India daily - and they are staggeringly more inefficient than the UK workers. The US guys get 2-3 times more pay. The Indian guys are cheaper but generally it takes 4-5 of them to do the same work as 1 person in the UK.

I went to the Caribbean last year. Lovely if you're in an all inclusive resort being served by people paid a couple of dollars a day. Step outside into the real country and see the thousands of "construction day workers" hanging around at 6/7am at every major road intersection to see if they've got any work today to feed their families.

I've been to countries in central Asia, where you constantly get "fined" by the police (basically bribes).

Like most countries, the US is great if you have money and a job. Not so great if you're skint.

France - lovely country, but, it shuts at 5pm, and increasingly expensive. Used to be cheap to go on holiday there, now food, fuel, eating out is extortionate. Again, like us, they have an aging workforce and infrastructure (motorways are great, but carry a lot less cars per km compared to crowded UK).

If the NHS is so rubbish and inefficient, how come BUPA etc don't offer heart transplants? They're good at doing the easy things of course.

 

We have always encouraged people to move here, we still do.

So things have got better since we joined the common market, I agree.

Infrastructure is not creaking everywhere, not invested in it, and the private sector that purchased it from us has let it run down asking for subsidy to keep it running, our roads are not the best they could be either....and we have not built enough homes, now new wealth and easy money can be borrowed one family want two homes, city and country. Thousands of houses are left empty and not updated so that they can be used as homes.

Productivity generally is better if holding a carrot not a stick......or proportioning blame.

Agree with the US.....don't want to be poor there or sick if are poor.

....or would want to be in a country where justice takes a bribe.

France is a nice country like we are.....plenty of places where things shut down at 5pm, depends where you are.....

The NHS is not as good as it was, being run down......if need a simple easier non urgent operation the low hanging fruit the wait is so long now they hope you give up and pay privately, borrow the money to get it fixed.

Many now are looking overseas to compare prices, safety and service.....private procedures of excellence can be done two hours plane ride away.....do your own research.....a competitive world.

 

 

 

 

 

[cnick]

15 hours ago, abbot26 said:

Not a chance, politicians of the 3 main parties are in the service of the WEF, we are circling the drain, it all started with Blair, that is without question

Yes, this.

[NoHPCinTheUK]

Taxes are extremely high and the value for money is frankly appealing. I know people in Germany and France, different systems and they pay for it apparently, but everything from health to childcare seems to be in a better shape. 
 

The housing market is a joke. 
 

Yes I think a lot of people will leave depending on how things develop. Honestly, someone without skills here might have better chances of doing something in their life moving to Australia and picking fruits for 2 years in a remote farm rather than staying here and working 16h in a tesco on benefits. 
 

I have met several of these low-skilled workers who understood that there’s no future for them in Britain. Last one a Jew who was working at the till of the canteen in my office who told me he was about to move to Israel to start a new life. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by NoHPCinTheUK

[andrewwk]

16 hours ago, anonguest said:

And how will that work?  Will there be some 21st century version of Douglas Adam's Babel Fish?

not very far fetched, Alexa + google translate basically.

[70PC]

16 hours ago, FANG said:

🤣 Matt is great

[andrewwk]

13 minutes ago, winkie said:

We have always encouraged people to move here, we still do.

So things have got better since we joined the common market, I agree.

Infrastructure is not creaking everywhere, not invested in it, and the private sector that purchased it from us has let it run down asking for subsidy to keep it running, our roads are not the best they could be either....and we have not built enough homes, now new wealth and easy money can be borrowed one family want two homes, city and country. Thousands of houses are left empty and not updated so that they can be used as homes.

Productivity generally is better if holding a carrot not a stick......or proportioning blame.

Agree with the US.....don't want to be poor there or sick if are poor.

....or would want to be in a country where justice takes a bribe.

France is a nice country like we are.....plenty of places where things shut down at 5pm, depends where you are.....

The NHS is not as good as it was, being run down......if need a simple easier non urgent operation the low hanging fruit the wait is so long now they hope you give up and pay privately, borrow the money to get it fixed.

Many now are looking overseas to compare prices, safety and service.....private procedures of excellence can be done two hours plane ride away.....do your own research.....a competitive world.

 

 

 

 

 

"confidence taken in by a suntan and a grin"...describes the last 15 years of UK politics in a single phrase

[shlomo]

1 hour ago, BobAJob3 said:

Exactly.

I wonder how old the people who write these articles are and whether they've actually been to any other countries - either for business or holidays.

I'd much prefer the state we're in now to the 1970's and 1980's. The country really was a sh@thole then (except a few nice areas in the South East of course). 

Yes, you could then buy a house for £9k. Most of our housing issues are down to the fact that we have 15-20million more people in the country. Similar issues in most other countries where you'd want to live. Yes, infrastructure is creaking, same everywhere.

Globally, population has doubled in my lifetime.

I don't understand how the UK always gets lambasted for the lack of productivity either. I work in a large global company. I deal with people in the US and India daily - and they are staggeringly more inefficient than the UK workers. The US guys get 2-3 times more pay. The Indian guys are cheaper but generally it takes 4-5 of them to do the same work as 1 person in the UK.

I went to the Caribbean last year. Lovely if you're in an all inclusive resort being served by people paid a couple of dollars a day. Step outside into the real country and see the thousands of "construction day workers" hanging around at 6/7am at every major road intersection to see if they've got any work today to feed their families.

I've been to countries in central Asia, where you constantly get "fined" by the police (basically bribes).

Like most countries, the US is great if you have money and a job. Not so great if you're skint.

France - lovely country, but, it shuts at 5pm, and increasingly expensive. Used to be cheap to go on holiday there, now food, fuel, eating out is extortionate. Again, like us, they have an aging workforce and infrastructure (motorways are great, but carry a lot less cars per km compared to crowded UK).

If the NHS is so rubbish and inefficient, how come BUPA etc don't offer heart transplants? They're good at doing the easy things of course.

 

I agree with 90% of what you are saying 

[NoHPCinTheUK]

The UK productivity issue is real and data and numbers show what the reality is. With all due respect, but a personal experience cannot change what the numbers are. Productivity is stagnant and wages are stagnant too. This is an old problem that was somehow kept at bay during the Blair years and a rampant fin sector. The economy hasn’t gone anywhere in the last 15 years. 
 

Yes, the UK is in a much better shape than Jamaica, but for all heaven’s sake, we should compare ourselves with different countries and not third world nations. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by NoHPCinTheUK