Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[pig]

Strange one - Amazon no longer accepting Visa cards from UK customers… Short term ? Surely they can’t add other credit cards or they would harm their own business ?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/amazon-is-to-stop-accepting-visa-credit-cards-in-the-uk-and-people-are-blaming-brexit/ar-AAQOdI8

[Freki]

1 hour ago, pig said:

Strange one - Amazon no longer accepting Visa cards from UK customers… Short term ? Surely they can’t add other credit cards or they would harm their own business ?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/amazon-is-to-stop-accepting-visa-credit-cards-in-the-uk-and-people-are-blaming-brexit/ar-AAQOdI8

Without evocating the Brexit angle, it is interesting, the struggle between Visa and Amazon. Amazon offers a mastercard credit card as well

[Staffsknot]

1 hour ago, pig said:

Strange one - Amazon no longer accepting Visa cards from UK customers… Short term ? Surely they can’t add other credit cards or they would harm their own business ?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/amazon-is-to-stop-accepting-visa-credit-cards-in-the-uk-and-people-are-blaming-brexit/ar-AAQOdI8

I believe this is using their size to get a better deal - I don't see a Brexit angle on it thougg. Think probably just pushing VISA arround

Edited November 17, 2021 by Staffsknot

[pig]

13 minutes ago, Freki said:

Without evocating the Brexit angle, it is interesting, the struggle between Visa and Amazon. Amazon offers a mastercard credit card as well

Aha - that sounds more like it. Stopping UK customers from using credit cards seemed self-defeating for Amazon whatever it may have to do with Brexit...

[Freki]

Their retail arm offers paper thin margin, if suddenly Visa starts eating 1.2% out of, I imagine, 3% to 4%, yeah I can see why Amazon would pull out.

[pig]

1 hour ago, Freki said:

Their retail arm offers paper thin margin, if suddenly Visa starts eating 1.2% out of, I imagine, 3% to 4%, yeah I can see why Amazon would pull out.

Got to be a bargaining position then - can't imagine Visa would want a hit to their UK market either (Brexit or no Brexit). Unless there is a global game that I certainly will be ignorant about ...

[Freki]

Well VISA is dominant, but FYI, Natwest is changing all my cards from VISA to MasterCard, and I doubt this is a coincidence.

[yelims]

5 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

I believe this is using their size to get a better deal - I don't see a Brexit angle on it thougg. Think probably just pushing VISA arround

But it is related to Brexit as EU capped the fees these companies can charge (and currently funding an alternative to this duopoly ) and Amazon only has issues with uk fees it seems

good time for Amazon to start accepting crypto 

 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

10 hours ago, slawek said:

A good example why the UK will have to follow the EU regulations even it has nothing to say about them. 

"Pies made in Britain will be banned from export to the EU if their ingredients do not come from an “approved” farm or factory, trade exports have warned EU.

A new Brussels food safety regulation – to come into force in March next year – is alarming companies who fear Brexit will impose further barriers to sales, an inquiry heard.

The change will mean any ingredient of animal origin – including meat, milk and eggs – “must come from EU-approved establishments”, MPs were told."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-pies-ban-ingredients-b1959237.html

Seriously dude which Brexiteer will ever care when we can happily ship all out import from tiny islands at the other side of the world for double the cost? Remember it was never about money nor cheap housing. It was all about getting white Christian EE out of our Tesco aisles. 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

1 hour ago, yelims said:

But it is related to Brexit as EU capped the fees these companies can charge (and currently funding an alternative to this duopoly ) and Amazon only has issues with uk fees it seems

good time for Amazon to start accepting crypto 

 

This. 👆 

Everything to do with Brexit or why do you imagine it’s just the UK being affected. 
 

Remember the golden Brexit rules: Though must accept forever the tugging of our elitists forelocks and be accepting that higher prices and less opportunities and freedoms are good for us plebiscite.  

[slawek]

10 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

Seriously dude which Brexiteer will ever care when we can happily ship all out import from tiny islands at the other side of the world for double the cost? Remember it was never about money nor cheap housing. It was all about getting white Christian EE out of our Tesco aisles. 

Xenophobia/racism was one of two main reasons for Brexit. Other one was "taking back control", the UK free to do what it wants. For Remainers it was clear it was a soundbite. You can't escape your geographical location. The UK is still has to follow the EU rules to trade with but after Brexit can't shape those rules. The UK is a rule taker now so clearly it has less control.  

[yelims]

26 minutes ago, slawek said:

Xenophobia/racism was one of two main reasons for Brexit. Other one was "taking back control", the UK free to do what it wants. For Remainers it was clear it was a soundbite. You can't escape your geographical location. The UK is still has to follow the EU rules to trade with but after Brexit can't shape those rules. The UK is a rule taker now so clearly it has less control.  

Speaking of taking rules , that’s the fastest way of resolving this Amazon issue, legislate for and place same caps on fees EU imposed and UK used to have. 
 

Amazon have the clout to take fight to visa (and possibly make their own network) but thousands of uk businesses are silently swallowing increased costs here as well as paying 9billion in tarrif taxes to export to EU

But hey, F£&k business right?! Right?

[hotblack42]

So if you post sparingly on this thread in a balanced way about the pros & cons of Brexit, its a 'drive by'.  If you take this position & post often and at length, its obsessed xenophobia.

So pray tell ladies & gents, what is the acceptable manner to engage if you are a moderate person who just falls on the Brexit side?

How does one post about things that have gone well since referendum without immediately being attacked as a Boris loving racist, and the content labeled a lie / propaganda / sop / temporary blip - delete as appropriate?

And what's the point of this behaviour? How is it a good use of time?

[erat_forte]

46 minutes ago, hotblack42 said:

So if you post sparingly on this thread in a balanced way about the pros & cons of Brexit, its a 'drive by'.  If you take this position & post often and at length, its obsessed xenophobia.

So pray tell ladies & gents, what is the acceptable manner to engage if you are a moderate person who just falls on the Brexit side?

How does one post about things that have gone well since referendum without immediately being attacked as a Boris loving racist, and the content labeled a lie / propaganda / sop / temporary blip - delete as appropriate?

And what's the point of this behaviour? How is it a good use of time?

It's not a good use of behaviour to "fall on the ... side" and to post cherry picked information that "supports" one "side" over another.

What is useful is to look for evidence of what has happened, and to discuss and use that information constructively to try and understand what is happening, as a basis for predicting "what happens next".

[hotblack42]

1 hour ago, erat_forte said:

It's not a good use of behaviour to "fall on the ... side" and to post cherry picked information that "supports" one "side" over another.

What is useful is to look for evidence of what has happened, and to discuss and use that information constructively to try and understand what is happening, as a basis for predicting "what happens next".

Indeed.  If people stop bitching & get out there & find constructive ways to re-engage with the European Union with limited liability, then I'd back them all the way.

We need to forget where we were,  & work out how to get to where we want to be, from where we are.

[IMHAL]

2 hours ago, hotblack42 said:

Indeed.  If people stop bitching & get out there & find constructive ways to re-engage with the European Union with limited liability, then I'd back them all the way.

We need to forget where we were,  & work out how to get to where we want to be, from where we are.

First you need to work out 'where you want to be'. That's always been the problem with Brexit.

[msi]

9 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

First you need to work out 'where you want to be'. That's always been the problem with Brexit.

+1  It's been the magical unicorn and anyone asking for details was a remainer

[IMHAL]

7 minutes ago, msi said:

+1  It's been the magical unicorn and anyone asking for details was a remainer

And when pressed...you usually get the retort 'being out of the EU'...well, turns out that that doesn't quite hit the spot....

It's pretty clear that Brexiteers doen't have a clue what they want. Not a good starting point for getting to 'where you want to be'.

[Freki]

58 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

First you need to work out 'where you want to be'. That's always been the problem with Brexit.

Well they want to be part of the club, but not abide by the club rules, nor pay the club fees. Pretty simple if you ask me

[IMHAL]

20 minutes ago, Freki said:

Well they want to be part of the club, but not abide by the club rules, nor pay the club fees. Pretty simple if you ask me

Unobtanium. Unicorn territory....always was.

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

Another one to test the cult of denial:

 

[thecrashingisles]

3 hours ago, IMHAL said:

First you need to work out 'where you want to be'. That's always been the problem with Brexit.

 

Do you think we have to define ourselves in relation to the EU?

[IMHAL]

6 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

 

Do you think we have to define ourselves in relation to the EU?

You can't get away from the fact we live in Europe and the majority of our trade is with the rest of Europe.

Unless you've figured out some way of unhitching our island and sailing it elsewhere.

Unicorns abound in cloud Brexitland.

[dugsbody]

20 hours ago, hotblack42 said:

So if you post sparingly on this thread in a balanced way about the pros & cons of Brexit, its a 'drive by'. 

I called it a drive-by because I see the behaviour often with brexiters. Make a claim that "such and such means he EU is evil".

When asked to justify the claim, it's just silence.

So, perhaps you can answer the original question to justify your claim?

[dugsbody]

18 hours ago, hotblack42 said:

Indeed.  If people stop bitching & get out there & find constructive ways to re-engage with the European Union with limited liability, then I'd back them all the way.

We need to forget where we were,  & work out how to get to where we want to be, from where we are.

We won't forget where we were and how we got where we are, as much as the brexit mob want us to.