Empty shelves. Who’d of thought, eh?

[Confusion of VIs]

1 hour ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said:

I think it's the normal case of trying to blame anything you can on Brexit.

Even the BBC states it is unlikely to be due to Brexit :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64718826

"Industry sources suggested the UK may be suffering because of lower domestic production and more complex supply chains, as well as a price-sensitive market.

But they said Brexit was unlikely to be a factor."*

*increased in size for the hard of thinking

I wonder what caused the more complex supply chains. 

Germany seems to be doing just fine.   

 

[Cocha]

4 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

I wonder what caused the more complex supply chains. 

Germany seems to be doing just fine.   

 

I guess by 'complex' they are referring to paperwork, as the actual logistics won't have changed. Brexit hasn't changed anything with ROW however and I understand we used to purchase much more produce from around the world pre-EEC, so if these 'complexities' remain, I suspect we will start to find alternative sources from areas which are no more complex due to leaving an insular political union. 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

 

Keep trying to deny reality clown voters. 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[jonb2]

11 minutes ago, Cocha said:

I guess by 'complex' they are referring to paperwork, as the actual logistics won't have changed. Brexit hasn't changed anything with ROW however and I understand we used to purchase much more produce from around the world pre-EEC, so if these 'complexities' remain, I suspect we will start to find alternative sources from areas which are no more complex due to leaving an insular political union. 

You forget energy costs of shipping. Getting stuff from the EU is merely a hop across the channel. 

Also, the consensus is Brexit has added 6% to our food prices, this from 2021:

How Brexit affects UK import and consumer costs - Investment Monitor
https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/insights/brexit-impact-import-consumer-costs-uk/

Brexit caused food price hike in the UK, report says – POLITICO
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-research-food-prices-hike-report-brexit-cost-living/

Post-Brexit trade barriers increase price of food imported from EU – report | Brexit | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/post-brexit-trade-barriers-increase-price-of-food-imported-from-eu-report

The latest evidence on the impact of Brexit on UK trade - Office for Budget Responsibility
https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/

 

[Sackboii]

2 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

Also, the consensus is Brexit has added 6% to our food prices

..and yet food prices are up way more than 6%, so it can't all be BREXIT ?

oh wait..

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

Damn. Remember all those broken promises. Only a clown would have fallen for them:

 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

Lots and lots of lovely fresh produce:

 

[winkie]

3 hours ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said:

I think it's the normal case of trying to blame anything you can on Brexit.

Even the BBC states it is unlikely to be due to Brexit :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64718826

"Industry sources suggested the UK may be suffering because of lower domestic production and more complex supply chains, as well as a price-sensitive market.

But they said Brexit was unlikely to be a factor."*

*increased in size for the hard of thinking

Multi reasons why, brexit is one of them, just compounds the problems we have..... shortages of farm workers, lack of investment into growing more of our own food, lots of grass and food for animals to eat not humans......add it on to energy security......in future if there are shortages and we can't produce enough for ourselves, those that have the resources will keep it for their own people......money does not buy everything.

https://inews.co.uk/news/food-shortages-aldi-asda-morrisons-rationing-cucumbers-tomatoes-shelves-empty-2165767

Now tesco.   https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/britains-tesco-joins-rivals-rationing-salad-vegetables-2023-02-22/

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by winkie

[Bob8]

On 21/02/2023 at 00:25, Pmax2020 said:

If you're an Aldi or Lidl with stores throughout continental Europe, then why would you direct stock to the UK when you know it’ll only get stuck on the road or at ports for many, many days?

Especially when the UK state broadcaster will protect your reputation with propaganda pieces such as this. With the comments turned off.  Always turned off, eh.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64712361

It was good to hear LBC listeners ringing in from all over Europe to confirm there’s been no food shortages elsewhere. 

What on earth could be the problem here on our shores?!?

Happy to add to that.

Plenty in Lid over here.

[Cocha]

1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

You forget energy costs of shipping. Getting stuff from the EU is merely a hop across the channel. 

Also, the consensus is Brexit has added 6% to our food prices, this from 2021:

How Brexit affects UK import and consumer costs - Investment Monitor
https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/insights/brexit-impact-import-consumer-costs-uk/

Brexit caused food price hike in the UK, report says – POLITICO
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-research-food-prices-hike-report-brexit-cost-living/

Post-Brexit trade barriers increase price of food imported from EU – report | Brexit | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/post-brexit-trade-barriers-increase-price-of-food-imported-from-eu-report

The latest evidence on the impact of Brexit on UK trade - Office for Budget Responsibility
https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/

 

As we are already importing from ROW, increasing how much will give greater purchasing power over both produce & shipping costs and reduce the percentage of shipping cost to goods value. It would be in the interests of the political union across the channel for them to not risk Britain starting down this path. Especially if they are finally going to do something about the modern day slavery and worker exploitation their entire logistical network has become reliant on, as that will impact significantly on costs. 

[Dyson Fury]

1 hour ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

 

Keep trying to deny reality clown voters. 🤡🤡🤡🤡

So you present as evidence a Tweet posted in September 2021 by a self-declared remainer, who does not know how to spell the word "correspondent".  Did you try reading the Dutch newspaper article, dated today, that I posted above?

Edited February 22, 2023 by Dyson Fury

[papag]

Been in Aldi today in North Yorks plenty of every veg also excellent prices , a few remoaners were outside crying and  stamping their feet sad to see really .

 

[Bob8]

8 minutes ago, papag said:

Been in Aldi today in North Yorks plenty of every veg also excellent prices , a few remoaners were outside crying and  stamping their feet sad to see really .

Were there really? I mean, honestly?

[kzb]

11 minutes ago, papag said:

Been in Aldi today in North Yorks plenty of every veg also excellent prices , a few remoaners were outside crying and  stamping their feet sad to see really .

 

I've just called in at Sainsbury's about an hour ago.  Only the expensive tomatoes available, and there are no half portions of cucumber, but otherwise there is plenty of fruit and veg. 

I've seen it worse before, years before Brexit, when it was blamed on bad weather in Spain.

[papag]

5 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

Were there really? I mean, honestly?

 

5 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

Were there really? I mean, honestly?

yep a few of them were waving their EU flags holding up pictures of Gary Lineker chanting we want another vote  

[captainb]

1 hour ago, Cocha said:

As we are already importing from ROW, increasing how much will give greater purchasing power over both produce & shipping costs and reduce the percentage of shipping cost to goods value. It would be in the interests of the political union across the channel for them to not risk Britain starting down this path. Especially if they are finally going to do something about the modern day slavery and worker exploitation their entire logistical network has become reliant on, as that will impact significantly on costs. 

I'm sure worker rights on those Zimbabwe tomatoes are better than the Dutch....

In all honesty long supply chains relying on air freight are (typically) more subject to disruption and more expensive 

[Pmax2020]

18 minutes ago, kzb said:

I've just called in at Sainsbury's about an hour ago.  Only the expensive tomatoes available, and there are no half portions of cucumber, but otherwise there is plenty of fruit and veg. 

I've seen it worse before, years before Brexit, when it was blamed on bad weather in Spain.

It’s never been worse than this and that’s how the shortages started around our area - only the dearer tomatoes on the shelves initially, but once they were all gone, there were none since. 

[jonb2]

Bad weather and transport problems in north Africa and parts of Europe have left shelves bare of tomatoes and are hindering the supply of other fresh produce from Spain and elsewhere.

But the Save British Farming group blamed Brexit and the “disastrous” Tory government for the shortages – describing the idea of only the weather in Spain being to blame as “absolute nonsense”.

“The reason that we have food shortages in Britain and that we don’t have food shortages in Spain – or anywhere else in the EU – is because of Brexit, and also because of this disastrous Conservative government that has no interest in food production, farming or even food supply,” said chair Liz Webster.

The campaigner added: “The Conservatives with their Brexit messed up our trade. This also impacted our labour supply because it ended freedom of movement. It also removed the cap and food subsidies.”

Marion Regan, a berry grower in Kent, said Ms Coffey’s comments shows that she “doesn’t understand” the challenges faced by growers in the UK.

Former Sainsbury’s CEO Justin King acknowledged supply has been affected by poor weather abroad – but told LBC that the food sector also been “hurt horribly by Brexit”.
----------------------------------------
Therese Coffey booed by farmers after refusing to accept food shortage failure | The Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/food-shortages-brexit-coffey-booed-b2287325.html

 

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

1 hour ago, Dyson Fury said:

So you present as evidence a Tweet posted in September 2021 by a self-declared remainer, who does not know how to spell the word "correspondent".  Did you try reading the Dutch newspaper article, dated today, that I posted above?

No I presented three tweets. Two of which you ignored. I don't need to wonder why.

Here's another one to ignore...

Keep on denying reality clown. 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

[Trampa501]

Just popped down the Co-OP for some eggs, but the shelves were completely bare.

I suspect though, it's down to being the day after Pancake day.

[btd1981]

I just wish the media would quietly let these shortages play out, have they not learned?? The moment they start informing the masses of a shortage in X the panic buyers and insufferably selfish swoop in and make things even worse.

[Dyson Fury]

1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

the Save British Farming group blamed Brexit and the “disastrous” Tory government for the shortages – describing the idea of only the weather in Spain being to blame as “absolute nonsense”.

"Save British Farming" seems to be a Remoaner front organisation without much physical presence, but vocal on Facebook, and its every pronouncement enthusiastically reported by the usual Remoaner media outlets.  Run by Liz Webster, a LibDem remoaner who set up the "Farmers for a People’s Vote" front organisation.  Here you can see her sounding off while sitting in front of her well-stocked drinks cabinet 🤪

https://www.facebook.com/SaveBritishFood/

[Cocha]

4 minutes ago, Dyson Fury said:

"Save British Farming" seems to be a Remoaner front organisation without much physical presence, but vocal on Facebook, and its every pronouncement enthusiastically reported by the usual Remoaner media outlets.  Run by Liz Webster, a LibDem remoaner who set up the "Farmers for a People’s Vote" front organisation.  Here you can see her sounding off while sitting in front of her well-stocked drinks cabinet 🤪

https://www.facebook.com/SaveBritishFood/

“The reason that we have food shortages in Britain and that we don’t have food shortages in Spain – or anywhere else in the EU – is because of Brexit, and also because of this disastrous Conservative government that has no interest in food production, farming or even food supply,” said chair Liz Webster.

I wonder how vocal old Liz was as our food production practically halved between 1987 and 2013, long before Brexit was even conceived and during which time we had a Labour government for well over a decade....

"Domestic contribution to total fruit and vegetable supply in the UK, including fresh fruit and vegetables as well as processed foods containing fruit and vegetables, decreased substantially from 42% in 1987 to 31% in 2000 and 22% in 2013. When considering fresh produce only, as reported by DEFRA (36), these numbers are 55% in 1988, 43% in 2000 and 33% in 2013"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7116398/

Just like with our manufacturing industry, the EU lovers have only started pretending to care about such things since they failed to get their own way in June 2016. Funny that. Things could have been so different if they'd given a toss about such things during the decades of decline prior  

 

[kzb]

2 hours ago, Pmax2020 said:

It’s never been worse than this and that’s how the shortages started around our area - only the dearer tomatoes on the shelves initially, but once they were all gone, there were none since. 

Some of it was on special offer.

I bet there has been some panic buying in some areas.  Finally they've found a way of getting Scots to eat salad.