Everybody Who Voted For The Tories Got Exactly What They Deserved

[zugzwang]

16 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Some truth there, but the Vote Leave lies certainly stoked the fire.

 

On reflection I don't think they mattered much. Not when set against the underlying: That the UK economy is profoundly dysfunctional, that decades of neoliberal economics are the cause of this dysfunction, and that the undeclared policy of open-door immigration which began with New Labour and was adopted uncritically by Cameron has massively increased the material hardships felt by working people.

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

1 hour ago, DonJop12 said:

I suggest reading the Gransnet forum. The financial "dilemmas" of the boomer generation do not generally concern how to get on the property ladder.  

That's why I said "anyone on here" and not "anyone on Gransnet". 

[simon99]

2 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

And more that the odd Brexiteer pretending that the referendum wasn't won on a pack of lies, busses and Turks.

The Remainers made an awful lot of the "lying bus" , which fooled the stupid British public, apparently. Most people saw that the bus contained a general political aspiration rather than a "promise". I didn't vote for Brexit, but treating people like fools didn't do the Remainers cause any good.

[bartelbe]

7 minutes ago, simon99 said:

The Remainers made an awful lot of the "lying bus" , which fooled the stupid British public, apparently. Most people saw that the bus contained a general political aspiration rather than a "promise". I didn't vote for Brexit, but treating people like fools didn't do the Remainers cause any good.

People are fools and not just brexit voters. It is quite astonishing the horses**t people believe. Perpetual motion machines, homeopathy, antivax non-sense.

Brexit was a stupid idea and I don't believe for a second that most voters understood the issues involved.

[simon99]

2 minutes ago, bartelbe said:

People are fools and not just brexit voters. It is quite astonishing the horses**t people believe. Perpetual motion machines, homeopathy, antivax non-sense.

Brexit was a stupid idea and I don't believe for a second that most voters understood the issues involved.

Wanting the people of a country to have control of who governs them is a stupid idea?

[steve99]

4 hours ago, simon99 said:

Yep, I forgot to add in the effects of the pandemic they've had to deal with too. Which again most sensible voters realise.

Edited May 4, 2021 by steve99
My phone stole my anti tory corruption comment

[bartelbe]

Just now, simon99 said:

Wanting the people of a country to have control of who governs them is a stupid idea?

And you make my point for me, you obviously don't understand the issues involved.

No nation has full control, such an idea is non-sense. The moment you start trading with the world you have to compromise. Accessing other countries markets means agreeing on issues such regulation, levels of subsidies and safety standards. Once you make those agreements you are giving up some sovereignty. The only way to avoid that is to stop trading with other countries.

A good example is the high pressure component industries. At moment it is easy for them to trade internationally because they can mark their goods with the widely recognised CE mark. Soon that will change to a UK only safety mark, which will add costs and red tape because it is a UK only standard. It makes it more difficult for our companies to export. Ultimately it will lead to companies relocating and jobs being lost.

I am sorry I don't think that brexiteers like you have the slightest clue about how international trade works and the damage you have done.

[longgone]

9 minutes ago, simon99 said:

Wanting the people of a country to have control of who governs them is a stupid idea?

Apparantly Eu run vaccine procurement would be top notch too had we let them take charge. 

No doubt leaving made no difference on that either.🤣

 

[simon99]

6 minutes ago, bartelbe said:

And you make my point for me, you obviously don't understand the issues involved.

No nation has full control, such an idea is non-sense. The moment you start trading with the world you have to compromise. Accessing other countries markets means agreeing on issues such regulation, levels of subsidies and safety standards. Once you make those agreements you are giving up some sovereignty. The only way to avoid that is to stop trading with other countries.

A good example is the high pressure component industries. At moment it is easy for them to trade internationally because they can mark their goods with the widely recognised CE mark. Soon that will change to a UK only safety mark, which will add costs and red tape because it is a UK only standard. It makes it more difficult for our companies to export. Ultimately it will lead to companies relocating and jobs being lost.

I am sorry I don't think that brexiteers like you have the slightest clue about how international trade works and the damage you have done.

Silly me. I think you must have missed my comment about not voting for Brexit as well. Just look a little bit further back.

[simon99]

9 minutes ago, steve99 said:

 

Like most, I'd still vote Tory ahead of Labour, even with the "wallpaper scandal".

[pig]

39 minutes ago, simon99 said:

The Remainers made an awful lot of the "lying bus" , which fooled the stupid British public, apparently. Most people saw that the bus contained a general political aspiration rather than a "promise". I didn't vote for Brexit, but treating people like fools didn't do the Remainers cause any good.

In a symbolic way yes - because it was a simple material image that demonstrated an instance of bullsh1t we could all see.

What it symbolised was the way Brexit was operating a bullsh1t factory including 'dark ads' that undermined the very notion of public, 'accountable' debate  - eg:

or

 

[simon99]

2 minutes ago, pig said:

In a symbolic way yes - because it was a simple material image that demonstrated an instance of bullsh1t we could all see.

What it symbolised was the way Brexit was operating a bullsh1t factory including 'dark ads' that undermined the very notion of public, 'accountable' debate  - eg:

or

 

 

2 minutes ago, pig said:

In a symbolic way yes - because it was a simple material image that demonstrated an instance of bullsh1t we could all see.

What it symbolised was the way Brexit was operating a bullsh1t factory including 'dark ads' that undermined the very notion of public, 'accountable' debate  - eg:

or

 

I get it, only the morally and intellectually superior Remainers could see through all the bullshi*t.

[PeanutButter]

 

[simon99]

5 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/sep/02/economy.houseprices

 

More of the same.

[Huggy]

43 minutes ago, simon99 said:

Like most, I'd still vote Tory ahead of Labour, even with the "wallpaper scandal".

Labour set to lose 59 seats in ‘Red Wall’ councils next week

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/01/labour-set-lose-59-seats-red-wall-councils-next-we

 

Even with the wallpapering outrage, third in the triumvirate of evil along with racism and Cummings, Britain still does not vote in the same way as Twitter informs them they should.

I have no idea why those working class in the north would not want to vote for Sir Kneel's party of the people???

NB. Not a fan of polls, they have the habit of being very, very, very wrong. So I will hold fire on the champers for now.

[Cocha]

38 minutes ago, bartelbe said:

And you make my point for me, you obviously don't understand the issues involved.

No nation has full control, such an idea is non-sense. The moment you start trading with the world you have to compromise. Accessing other countries markets means agreeing on issues such regulation, levels of subsidies and safety standards. Once you make those agreements you are giving up some sovereignty. The only way to avoid that is to stop trading with other countries.

A good example is the high pressure component industries. At moment it is easy for them to trade internationally because they can mark their goods with the widely recognised CE mark. Soon that will change to a UK only safety mark, which will add costs and red tape because it is a UK only standard. It makes it more difficult for our companies to export. Ultimately it will lead to companies relocating and jobs being lost.

I am sorry I don't think that brexiteers like you have the slightest clue about how international trade works and the damage you have done.

It might make it a tad more difficult to export into the EU, but not around the world as the CE mark is only a requirement within the EU. As long as the UK equivalent is recognised as being at least equal to that of the CE mark, it won't really be an issue. The UK could of course refuse to recognise the CE mark as being of a required standard for the UK market, thus adding cost and red tape to EU exporters to enter our market by insisting our mark must feature on the product. I would expect however, the EU and the UK would just come to an agreement over recognition. Otherwise, as we import more from the EU than we export to it, it is the EU manufacturers who would suffer more in a game of silly buggers.

[PeanutButter]

15 million views - watching him lie and lie again - and none of it matters.

We accept him as the leader we deserve. 

https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1389529623487295490?s=20

[Young Turk]

11 hours ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said:

Lol. I'm pretty sure that you'd find most self employed people would feel that they are better placed to spend their money on "benefits to them" than the government are.

Really? A small increase in tax wouldn't be acceptable to low earners even if they received a lot more public services?

Do you think low earners would also prefer to have a tax cut if it meant no NHS, no state schools etc.? (I would have thought this would only be preferable to high earners)

[dugsbody]

1 hour ago, simon99 said:

I get it, only the morally and intellectually superior Remainers could see through all the bullshi*t.

Yes, we see through yours.

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

3 hours ago, simon99 said:

 

I get it, only the morally and intellectually superior Remainers could see through all the bullshi*t.

Finally. Just took you 5 years.

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

3 hours ago, Huggy said:

Labour set to lose 59 seats in ‘Red Wall’ councils next week

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/01/labour-set-lose-59-seats-red-wall-councils-next-we

 

Even with the wallpapering outrage, third in the triumvirate of evil along with racism and Cummings, Britain still does not vote in the same way as Twitter informs them they should.

I have no idea why those working class in the north would not want to vote for Sir Kneel's party of the people???

NB. Not a fan of polls, they have the habit of being very, very, very wrong. So I will hold fire on the champers for now.

Probably because they are stupid and don't realise why he got it nor that he doesn't use the title.

[jiltedjen]

10 hours ago, Cocha said:

It might make it a tad more difficult to export into the EU, but not around the world as the CE mark is only a requirement within the EU. As long as the UK equivalent is recognised as being at least equal to that of the CE mark, it won't really be an issue. The UK could of course refuse to recognise the CE mark as being of a required standard for the UK market, thus adding cost and red tape to EU exporters to enter our market by insisting our mark must feature on the product. I would expect however, the EU and the UK would just come to an agreement over recognition. Otherwise, as we import more from the EU than we export to it, it is the EU manufacturers who would suffer more in a game of silly buggers.

I heard that China do a similar looking sticker which is ‘CE’ (China Export) 

comical really 

[simon99]

10 hours ago, dugsbody said:

Yes, we see through yours.

That didn't take long for the insults to start. Which BS are you talking about specifically?

[Bruce Banner]

6 minutes ago, simon99 said:

That didn't take long for the insults to start. Which BS are you talking about specifically?

Why are Brexiteers so provocative? The more they crow about their "victory", the more determined Remainers become to overturn it.

 

 

[simon99]

1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said:

Why are Brexiteers so provocative? The more they crow about their "victory", the more determined Remainers become to overturn it.

 

 

Why don't you ask one?  What's provocative about what I posted, if it was really aimed at me?