TheCountOfNowhere Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 You going to tell this post was sarcastic in tone and we've all taken it wrong? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-he-was-being-sarcastic-comments-about-injecting-disinfectants-n1191991 I've been outed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 What chance does the country have when you have people with no manners or sense of humor being allowed to post on the internet. Wow just wow. So this was meant to be a joke thread? I know people who have died from Covid. It is far from a joke buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.steve Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 It is pretty obvious to me that if everyone had worn a mask, all the time, the spread of CV would have been reduced and lives would have been saved. That is far from obvious. What is obvious: If there had been a gargantuan genocide, terminating the vast majority of human life on earth, transmission would have been necessarily halted by that intervention. Selfish people were not prepared to implement this certain solution, and - as a consequence - the COVID problem remains. It could have been easily implemented... the government could have used the phrase "self sacrifice" in place of "self isolate". Incomprehensibly justified instructions could have been delivered by a mobile phone app to the digital subservients... and the message reinforced with blanket mainstream media coverage. "Laws" requiring compliance could have been passed by decree - bypassing the problematic hurdles of an imperfect democracy. As this decisive step was not taken, we will need to be satisfied that the people 'COVID' killed were the patients that could otherwise have received life-saving treatment... The media reinforced a ubiquitous hysteria... and the public only emerged from their political curfew to applaud the NHS on Thursday evenings... to express approval of the preventable deaths that had been achieved by denying patients access to hospital treatment during the preceding week. Enjoy imposing social isolation. Don't meet friends or family. Wear a mask to remind everyone who sees you that they are hopelessly socially isolated too - all the while making prominent that you are prepared to remain silent and not question the absurdity of what you're told. Relax, staring into oblivion, and wait until the suicide rate rises... it will. Dostoevsky, eat your heart out: your fictional dystopias have nothing on our reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunketh Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Bit of a straw poll to see where people sit on masks. I think it's b******s, here is my evidence Could the # masks be harboring germs and make infection rates worse ? They say you can catch all sorts from old hankies, they are like petri dishes. You could also write testing / mass testing. I think that's probably the correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmondtw Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Personally i do not care. It is not a big deal to me. If I am asked to wear a mask I will it does not bother me either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 Personally i do not care. It is not a big deal to me. If I am asked to wear a mask I will it does not bother me either way. Yeah, but would you talk to a 2nd hand house salesman ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 So this was meant to be a joke thread? I know people who have died from Covid. It is far from a joke buddy. I'm just gong to bloke you now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomed Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Forced mask wearing has been the most retarded thing about this whole Covid hype machine, and there has been a lot to choose from. There currently exists a large study that has been carried out on masks to protect against corona virus that can't get published. The reason is it confirmed what everyone already accepted pre-covid. MASK WEARING BY THE GENERAL POPULATION DO NOT STOP VIRAL SPREAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 That is far from obvious. What is obvious: If there had been a gargantuan genocide, terminating the vast majority of human life on earth, transmission would have been necessarily halted by that intervention. Selfish people were not prepared to implement this certain solution, and - as a consequence - the COVID problem remains. It could have been easily implemented... the government could have used the phrase "self sacrifice" in place of "self isolate". Incomprehensibly justified instructions could have been delivered by a mobile phone app to the digital subservients... and the message reinforced with blanket mainstream media coverage. "Laws" requiring compliance could have been passed by decree - bypassing the problematic hurdles of an imperfect democracy. As this decisive step was not taken, we will need to be satisfied that the people 'COVID' killed were the patients that could otherwise have received life-saving treatment... The media reinforced a ubiquitous hysteria... and the public only emerged from their political curfew to applaud the NHS on Thursday evenings... to express approval of the preventable deaths that had been achieved by denying patients access to hospital treatment during the preceding week. Enjoy imposing social isolation. Don't meet friends or family. Wear a mask to remind everyone who sees you that they are hopelessly socially isolated too - all the while making prominent that you are prepared to remain silent and not question the absurdity of what you're told. Relax, staring into oblivion, and wait until the suicide rate rises... it will. Dostoevsky, eat your heart out: your fictional dystopias have nothing on our reality. I'm not sure what that was about, but I think you may be preaching to the converted. I still think that if everyone had worn a mask, all the time, the spread of CV would have been reduced and lives would have been saved. How many lives? I don't know and quite honestly I don't care, but it seems inconceivable that there is not some benefit, however small, from mask wearing and I very much doubt that mask wearing increases the Covid risk, with the possible exception of herd immunity. Having said that, I am against compulsion. When someone asks me to do something I do my best to oblige. When someone tells me to do something it's a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunketh Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Forced mask wearing has been the most retarded thing about this whole Covid hype machine, and there has been a lot to choose from. There currently exists a large study that has been carried out on masks to protect against corona virus that can't get published. The reason is it confirmed what everyone already accepted pre-covid. MASK WEARING BY THE GENERAL POPULATION DO NOT STOP VIRAL SPREAD. Why cant it get published? If its good science it should be published, do you have a link to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy T Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I just don’t know anymore. I spent 2 hours in awaiting room of a NHS hospital yesterday, at times the staff were wearing their masks under their nose, or pulled down on their neck, while chatting right next to other staff, yet the public had to jump through hoops and sign a document just to let in through the main entrance. A couple of visitors were wearing filthy old disposable masks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 It is pretty obvious to me that if everyone had worn a mask, all the time, the spread of CV would have been reduced and lives would have been saved. However, it was apparently not obvious to our incompetent government who initially advised against the wearing of masks by the general population. From discouragement to compulsion in six months . And your evidence to support your supposition is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 This study should settle things but for some reason the researchers are reluctant to publish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) One study shouldn't ever settle anything, and I'd be very reluctant to jump to the conclusion that conspiracy is the reason for a particular study not being published; that claim would need good evidence in its own right. Edited October 22, 2020 by Riedquat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunketh Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Maybe they are onto something with this. Think how much money could be saved every year by the NHS if we just stopped using masks everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Really Count? I like your posts and expected more from you - this is 'spoons level of analysis. The left of your line was based on hospital led tests (i.e people turning up to hospital are generally more ill). The asymptomatic folks spreading it around in aren't counted here as we didn't have mass testing rolled out. The right of your line includes mass testing (so include the asymptomatic folks) and more serious hospital cases A fairer (but not without criticism) would be to look at deaths https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths The death graph shows a fairly similar pattern thouvh. Where it's most obvious is where you backtrack through various countries and US states mandating masks and different times in the spring and the no change is apparent (ie the before -after comparison) even allowing for the lags is hard to see any effect. Its possible the masks do work but where they are mandated isn't the big risk area once thought...a solution to a problem that didn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmondtw Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Yeah, but would you talk to a 2nd hand house salesman ? I did when I sold my first house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Why cant it get published? If its good science it should be published, do you have a link to it? Here's the details of the study. RCT of community masks wearing. 6000 participants, half have to wear masks in the community the other half don't. https://ugeskriftet.dk/dmj/face-masks-prevention-covid-19-rationale-and-design-randomised-controlled-trial-danmask-19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 And your evidence to support your supposition is? Where is your evidence to show that mask wearing is harmful? By the way, you could make better use of your time by arguing with someone who gives a damn, one way or the other. Me, I just keep a stock of 5p masks to wear in shops etc., I'm certainly not a mask zealot, one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 Where is your evidence to show that mask wearing is harmful? By the way, you could make better use of your time by arguing with someone who gives a damn, one way or the other. Me, I just keep a stock of 5p masks to wear in shops etc., I'm certainly not a mask zealot, one way or the other. Burn the mask Zealot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) After decades of unjust inter-generational weath transfer via house prices who knew that it was being asked kindly to cover up your mouth and nose when in enclosed places during a once in a centennial pandemic that would fire up outrage and marches. You literaly could not make this profound stupidity from the bed-wetting anti-maskers like @TheCountOfNowhere et al up. Edited October 22, 2020 by MonsieurCopperCrutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarbyC Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I have just moved to Stockholm from the UK. I am in absolute shock and disbelief. WHY ARE THEY NOT SHOWING US THIS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunketh Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Here's the details of the study. RCT of community masks wearing. 6000 participants, half have to wear masks in the community the other half don't. https://ugeskriftet.dk/dmj/face-masks-prevention-covid-19-rationale-and-design-randomised-controlled-trial-danmask-19 Interesting. Its solely concentrated on protection of the wearer, rather than everyone and its just the study details. I would be more interested in the paper itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_JD Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I'm glad the OP was outed quite swiftly as a charlatan. These anti mask/anti vax conspiracy nut jobs need to be called out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I'm impressed with the number of armchair virologist/airborne fluid physicist/statisticians available to expose the evil ploy to control our minds / prepare us for global goat sodmisation / push house prices by making us wear a bit of fabric on our face. We are truly safe and free with such guardians watching over us. Am surprised we haven't had a 12 film franchise built up building to a finale of 'spoons squad, Baron Br*xit, and White Power Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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