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HOLA441

A big 42% reduction in Bude, not sure what the story is...

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/109830713#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
26/12/2021 Price changed from £175,000 to £120,000
08/10/2021 Price changed from £195,000 to £175,000
20/07/2021 Price changed from £210,000 to £195,000
02/07/2021 Initial entry found: £210,000
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2 hours ago, Pop321 said:

I found this fascinating. They thing that struck me was how cheap houses were to buy in the US compared to Median household income. Indeed California is out of step and like London the house prices are massive but the income, whilst higher, doesn’t reflect the higher house prices. 

So (ignoring the huge bandwidth) I looked at averages for the UK and US for income v house prices. 

Average House Price v Average Median Household Income 

US - 408k/79.9k = 5.1

UK  270k/31.2k = 8.65 

So the UK average price would be more like £160k rather than £270k if it mirrored the US prices. Funnily enough £160k sounds about right to me. 

So that daft US country with low incomes, poor health care etc have more affordable housing and in some areas very affordable based on local incomes. 

Appreciate how different our countries are but it was interesting and in particular to see how cheap it is to but in some states whilst the average income is still ‘relatively’ good. 

A good xx% of homes is speculation.

The US was of taxing is fundamentally better and deters rather than prevents that % getting as high as in the UK.

Business rates does the same thing here, remove business rates and commercial property will shoot up in cost and be left empty for longer.

Yes they have booms and busts in the US but they get through them much quicker than here due to the cost of carry. 

Here we stimulate and then have to keep tweaking to try and lock in that XX% speculation.

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10 minutes ago, Fromage Frais said:

A good xx% of homes is speculation.

The US was of taxing is fundamentally better and deters rather than prevents that % getting as high as in the UK.

Business rates does the same thing here, remove business rates and commercial property will shoot up in cost and be left empty for longer.

Yes they have booms and busts in the US but they get through them much quicker than here due to the cost of carry. 

Here we stimulate and then have to keep tweaking to try and lock in that XX% speculation.

Thing is it’s not even a big % but of course if you push this up to £2m New York flats suddenly on a % basis it’s massive in comparison to rates. Average Joe seems to be paying less in tax than we do in rates. Interesting for a ‘capitalist’ country like the US to have what appears to be a ‘fairer’ system. Also seems to be a better correlation between higher local property tax and amount spent on education. Food for thought particularly when looking at the cost London infrastructure v’s say Leeds or York, when the house prices are higher in London but the rates aren’t  

Genuine Apologies - very ‘off thread’ on a thread that remains brilliantly ‘on thread’….just found it an interesting fact and something I hadn’t really seen in such black and white before. 

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6 hours ago, Pop321 said:

I found this fascinating. They thing that struck me was how cheap houses were to buy in the US compared to Median household income. Indeed California is out of step and like London the house prices are massive but the income, whilst higher, doesn’t reflect the higher house prices. 

So (ignoring the huge bandwidth) I looked at averages for the UK and US for income v house prices. 

Average House Price v Average Median Household Income 

US - 408k/79.9k = 5.1

UK  270k/31.2k = 8.65 

So the UK average price would be more like £160k rather than £270k if it mirrored the US prices. Funnily enough £160k sounds about right to me. 

So that daft US country with low incomes, poor health care etc have more affordable housing and in some areas very affordable based on local incomes. 

Appreciate how different our countries are but it was interesting and in particular to see how cheap it is to but in some states whilst the average income is still ‘relatively’ good. 

I would add that on average, US houses are also far bigger - with better facilities (e.g. basements & multiple bathrooms) and rooms are often not allowed to be described as bedrooms unless they have a built in closet. And the listed square footage is only that for living rooms and bedrooms - and generally excludes halIways, bathrooms, kitchens,. (It is a mystery to me how UK Estate Agents get to their reported square footage.) US are about 1800 sf, in the UK - closer to 1100 sf. 
(see https://www.dwh.co.uk/advice-and-inspiration/average-house-sizes-uk/ and https://www.newser.com/story/225645/average-size-of-us-homes-decade-by-decade.html )

otoh, comparing pre-1970 houses, those in the UK are generally far more solidly built. (This may also be true in later periods too, but I get the impression that many newer UK houses are thrown together too.)

 

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21% off of a pokey little apartment near Halifax

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/105613148#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
08/09/2021 Price changed from £120,000 to £110,000
28/07/2021 Price changed from £130,000 to £120,000
07/06/2021 Price changed from £140,000 to £130,000
17/04/2021 Initial entry found: £140,000
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52 minutes ago, Roman Roady said:

21% off of a pokey little apartment near Halifax

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/105613148#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
08/09/2021 Price changed from £120,000 to £110,000
28/07/2021 Price changed from £130,000 to £120,000
07/06/2021 Price changed from £140,000 to £130,000
17/04/2021 Initial entry found: £140,000

This kind of stuff was all the rage back in the mid 2000s. I met many twenty something traveling sales executives around West Yorks forking out for tacky flats in converted mills in random decrepit town centres surrounding Leeds/Bradford.

They appear to have been awful investments

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On 12/28/2021 at 7:28 PM, Nomadd said:

Er, absolutely nothing - not if you are comparing like-with-like. That flat was in SJW, so historically one of London's most expensive locations. Try finding something for that money in a similar part of New York. I think you will be surprised. Have a look at some of the videos on Louis Rossman's channel about just how expensive *anything* property wise has become in NY.

The U.S. is a big place. I've been to NY a few times and wouldn't want to live there in truth

What about Florida or Texas?  "Betcha" a million quid buys you something amazing .

Apologies for turning the thread into a discussion about US house prices! 😂

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10 hours ago, Roman Roady said:

21% off of a pokey little apartment near Halifax

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/105613148#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
08/09/2021 Price changed from £120,000 to £110,000
28/07/2021 Price changed from £130,000 to £120,000
07/06/2021 Price changed from £140,000 to £130,000
17/04/2021 Initial entry found: £140,000

Makes £300k for a one bed in a decent London suburb look good value - at least it won't be a hotel room masquerading as a flat.

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1 hour ago, hotblack42 said:

Makes £300k for a one bed in a decent London suburb look good value - at least it won't be a hotel room masquerading as a flat.

Yes agreed...its a shame that there wasnt someone like you to advise the current vendor back in 2004!

 

Anyhow....

24% off of a 3 bed detached house in Christchurch Dorset.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/113578115#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
26/12/2021 Price changed from £500,000 to £400,000
14/10/2021 Price changed from £525,000 to £500,000
16/09/2021 Initial entry found: £525,000
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1 hour ago, hotblack42 said:

Makes £300k for a one bed in a decent London suburb look good value - at least it won't be a hotel room masquerading as a flat.

21% off of a 1 bed flat in Bournemouth

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/59128818#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
26/12/2021 Price changed from £195,000 to £190,000
17/06/2021 Price changed from £192,000 to £195,000
26/04/2021 Price changed from £200,000 to £192,000
25/02/2021 Price changed from £210,000 to £200,000
25/11/2020 Price changed from £220,000 to £210,000
08/03/2019 Price changed from £240,000 to £220,000
26/12/2018 Initial entry found: £240,000
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6 hours ago, Roman Roady said:

21% off of a 1 bed flat in Bournemouth

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/59128818#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
26/12/2021 Price changed from £195,000 to £190,000
17/06/2021 Price changed from £192,000 to £195,000
26/04/2021 Price changed from £200,000 to £192,000
25/02/2021 Price changed from £210,000 to £200,000
25/11/2020 Price changed from £220,000 to £210,000
08/03/2019 Price changed from £240,000 to £220,000
26/12/2018 Initial entry found: £240,000

Offering stunning views of a fire escape through every window 😅

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9 hours ago, Roman Roady said:

21% off of a 1 bed flat in Bournemouth

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/59128818#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
26/12/2021 Price changed from £195,000 to £190,000
17/06/2021 Price changed from £192,000 to £195,000
26/04/2021 Price changed from £200,000 to £192,000
25/02/2021 Price changed from £210,000 to £200,000
25/11/2020 Price changed from £220,000 to £210,000
08/03/2019 Price changed from £240,000 to £220,000
26/12/2018 Initial entry found: £240,000

Top floor flat in this building was on Grand Designs back in the day

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OK not quite a 20%er but an interesting history in an interesting area...I think so anyhow.

19% off of a 3 bed "character property" in Chippenham Wilts (near Bristol and Bath).

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/114314729#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
26/12/2021 Price changed from £250,000 to £220,000
27/10/2021 Price changed from £270,000 to £250,000
01/10/2021 Initial entry found: £270,000
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21 hours ago, Roman Roady said:

OK not quite a 20%er but an interesting history in an interesting area...I think so anyhow.

19% off of a 3 bed "character property" in Chippenham Wilts (near Bristol and Bath).

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/114314729#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
26/12/2021 Price changed from £250,000 to £220,000
27/10/2021 Price changed from £270,000 to £250,000
01/10/2021 Initial entry found: £270,000

I once confused Chippenham with Cheltenham.

Both start with Ch, not a million miles apart, sounds the same when a slack jawed local yokel says the name.

Imagine my surprise arriving in Chippenham and expecting an upmarket Cotswold spa/market town.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Roman Roady said:

21% off of a 5 bed apartment near Blackpool. Only 2 exterior phots...so no surprise that there doesn't seem to be much curb appeal.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/108199184#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
19/10/2021 Price changed from £139,950 to £110,000
04/06/2021 Initial entry found: £139,950

I sold a flat in South London in 2006 for a similar amount - my old neighbour sold hers 3 years ago for £235K!

And many others have sold for a lot more.  I wonder why blackpool has crashed so much.  

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20% in St. Leonards-On-Sea, East Sussex.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/111443597#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
27/12/2021 Price changed from £147,000 to £140,000
16/12/2021 Price changed from £150,000 to £147,000
08/12/2021 Price changed from £149,950 to £150,000
15/08/2021 Price changed from £160,000 to £149,950
11/08/2021 Price changed from £175,000 to £160,000
06/08/2021 Initial entry found: £175,000
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19% off of a 4 bed detached house in Beverley Yorks

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/108407879#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
14/12/2021 Price changed from £600,000 to £550,000
01/10/2021 Price changed from £650,000 to £600,000
16/07/2021 Price changed from £675,000 to £650,000
08/06/2021 Initial entry found: £675,000
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16 hours ago, Roman Roady said:

19% off of a 4 bed detached house in Beverley Yorks

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/108407879#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
14/12/2021 Price changed from £600,000 to £550,000
01/10/2021 Price changed from £650,000 to £600,000
16/07/2021 Price changed from £675,000 to £650,000
08/06/2021 Initial entry found: £675,000

That's a fairly decent sized house, but I'd say it's still £200K overpriced. The initial asking price is ludicrous - no wonder the gap between sold prices and the Rightmove delusion index grows ever bigger.

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2 hours ago, dpg50000 said:

That's a fairly decent sized house, but I'd say it's still £200K overpriced. The initial asking price is ludicrous - no wonder the gap between sold prices and the Rightmove delusion index grows ever bigger.

Agree completely. Prices are ludicrously high. 

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Its new year and thus time to clear some of the legacy properties from my bookmarks folders.

Lets start with the ones that are now SSTC....

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29% in Salford

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/103828988#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
12/10/2021 Price changed from £135,000 to £100,000
08/06/2021 Price changed from £140,000 to £135,000
09/03/2021 Initial entry found: £140,000

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20% in Bradford

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/115499201#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
17/11/2021 Price changed from £115,000 to £100,000
10/11/2021 Price changed from £125,000 to £115,000
28/10/2021 Initial entry found: £125,000

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20% in Manchester

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80171316#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
07/09/2021 Price changed from £138,000 to £120,000
03/06/2021 Price changed from £150,000 to £138,000
11/05/2021 Initial entry found: £150,000

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24% in Sedgley

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/78944463#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
19/11/2021 Price changed from £210,000 to £189,950
16/11/2021 Price changed from £240,000 to £210,000
29/10/2021 Price changed from £210,000 to £240,000
26/04/2021 Price changed from £225,000 to £210,000
07/04/2021 Price changed from £250,000 to £225,000
19/03/2021 Initial entry found: £250,000

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22% in Wolverhampton

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/115171217#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
19/11/2021 Price changed from £50,000 to £39,000
21/10/2021 Initial entry found: £50,000

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24% in Wolverhampton

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/66149128#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
04/03/2021 Price changed from £135,000 to £130,000
30/01/2020 Price changed from £140,000 to £135,000
08/03/2019 Price changed from £160,000 to £140,000
13/09/2018 Price changed from £170,000 to £160,000
04/07/2018 Initial entry found: £170,000
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2 hours ago, Roman Roady said:

Its new year and thus time to clear some of the legacy properties from my bookmarks folders.

Lets start with the ones that are now SSTC....

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29% in Salford

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/103828988#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
12/10/2021 Price changed from £135,000 to £100,000
08/06/2021 Price changed from £140,000 to £135,000
09/03/2021 Initial entry found: £140,000

+++++++++++++++++++++++

20% in Bradford

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/115499201#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
17/11/2021 Price changed from £115,000 to £100,000
10/11/2021 Price changed from £125,000 to £115,000
28/10/2021 Initial entry found: £125,000

+++++++++++++++++++++++

20% in Manchester

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80171316#/?channel=RES_BUY

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Price Change History
07/09/2021 Price changed from £138,000 to £120,000
03/06/2021 Price changed from £150,000 to £138,000
11/05/2021 Initial entry found: £150,000

+++++++++++++++++++++++

24% in Sedgley

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/78944463#/?channel=RES_BUY

image.png.47265c14da234c6d47c94b03ea2e4078.png

Price Change History
19/11/2021 Price changed from £210,000 to £189,950
16/11/2021 Price changed from £240,000 to £210,000
29/10/2021 Price changed from £210,000 to £240,000
26/04/2021 Price changed from £225,000 to £210,000
07/04/2021 Price changed from £250,000 to £225,000
19/03/2021 Initial entry found: £250,000

+++++++++++++++++++++++

22% in Wolverhampton

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/115171217#/?channel=RES_BUY

image.png.0b22dca1145f377b87b061e312ef5038.png

Price Change History
19/11/2021 Price changed from £50,000 to £39,000
21/10/2021 Initial entry found: £50,000

+++++++++++++++++++++++

24% in Wolverhampton

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/66149128#/?channel=RES_BUY

image.png.c69c497ba55b1f1cfd78063ec61763e7.png

Price Change History
04/03/2021 Price changed from £135,000 to £130,000
30/01/2020 Price changed from £140,000 to £135,000
08/03/2019 Price changed from £160,000 to £140,000
13/09/2018 Price changed from £170,000 to £160,000
04/07/2018 Initial entry found: £170,000

There is a massive overhang of SSTC vs houses for sale. For eg Cambridge, excluding new, schemes and retirement properties.  Including SSTC 713 vs  For sale 237.   It obviously isnt buying season but many of these 'sold' months ago and still haven't cleared through.  I can see a lot back on the market come spring. 

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