byron78 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 RE: energy prices. Oil is still cheaper per barrel than it was in 2008. That's in USD though. Can anyone guess why it now costs more in pounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, byron78 said: As a Tory so am I. But this lot aren't really Tories. And - let's be honest - most of the issues this country now has are baked in from Tory government's and decisions. I agree. All the "Tories gonna Tory", "Tories are evil" etc posts imply that every single member of the Conservative Party is like Boris Johnson, when they clearly aren't. It's tiresome, as I said above. Far better - as you hint above - to look at the DECISIONS the government has made, and hold the government decision-makers to account, rather than inanely repeat that Councillor Smith in posh suburban ward B must be evil because he wears a blue rosette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Yelims knowledge of renewables is very outdated, little more than parroting the information produced by the fossil fuel industries paid lobbyists. There are a large number of competing technologies that will reduce grid scale storage costs by far more than needed to make renewables plus storage competitive with fossil fuels. It's too early to say which will win out but we are not short of options. In the UK Renewables are now helping to offset increases to energy bills and save consumers money. I’ll believe it when I see it quite a lot of tech at moment offering solution to the storage problem is vapourware, until it’s not prices are tied to gas costs and standing charges are tied to costs of building grids to remote locations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, scottbeard said: I agree. All the "Tories gonna Tory", "Tories are evil" etc posts imply that every single member of the Conservative Party is like Boris Johnson, when they clearly aren't. It's tiresome, as I said above. Far better - as you hint above - to look at the DECISIONS the government has made, and hold the government decision-makers to account, rather than inanely repeat that Councillor Smith in posh suburban ward B must be evil because he wears a blue rosette. I've explained many many times that Boris is enabled by his legion of lickspittles and FanBoyz, as you are well aware of. The more he does that the more he taints even the idea of small c conservatism. Labour had the b*lls to call out Militant Tendency and Momentum, but I see nothing from the Tory back benches other than a limp leadership challenge and grumbling to the 1922. Until I see the Blue Rosette gang actually fighting for the soul of the Conservative party, I'll keep holding them and the entire small c conservative ideology to account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, scottbeard said: I agree. All the "Tories gonna Tory", "Tories are evil" etc posts imply that every single member of the Conservative Party is like Boris Johnson, when they clearly aren't. It's tiresome, as I said above. Far better - as you hint above - to look at the DECISIONS the government has made, and hold the government decision-makers to account, rather than inanely repeat that Councillor Smith in posh suburban ward B must be evil because he wears a blue rosette. I think it's perfectly valid to be critical of Conservatives who aren't being openly critical of this government now. I'm also a bit sick of everyone pretending cutting funding to the bone for most things isn't causing issues and problems. That and the "but where will the money come from?" thing. Oh please. We've literally just binned off a free market on the promise it will save money (yes I know this is nonsense). I've never been richer and most people with assets are the same. Huge bubbles that absolutely aren't benefiting the vast majority. 35 trillion in our tax havens as well. I know you have to support your party, but the country should always be more important. I cringe when I see people defending Johnson and attacking Labour automatically now. Life in 2022 for most people is worse than life was in 2010. It's as simple as that. I honestly don't think the same holds true for life in 1997 compared to life in 2010, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, msi said: Labour had the b*lls to call out Militant Tendency and Momentum, This is a brilliant observation. The extremism in the Tory Party has actually got into power, and isn't it crap for pretty much everyone? You would hope it kills it for a few generations after all this at least. But the Tories should never have let it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, scottbeard said: I agree. All the "Tories gonna Tory", "Tories are evil" etc posts imply that every single member of the Conservative Party is like Boris Johnson, when they clearly aren't. It's tiresome, as I said above. Far better - as you hint above - to look at the DECISIONS the government has made, and hold the government decision-makers to account, rather than inanely repeat that Councillor Smith in posh suburban ward B must be evil because he wears a blue rosette. But the majority of them must be like Johnson or he wouldn't still be PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, msi said: I've explained many many times that Boris is enabled by his legion of lickspittles and FanBoyz, as you are well aware of. The more he does that the more he taints even the idea of small c conservatism. You're right. I agree. Boris is actually very bad for the idea of conservatism, because actually he doesn't practice it - he is just self-serving. 7 minutes ago, byron78 said: I think it's perfectly valid to be critical of Conservatives who aren't being openly critical of this government now. Life in 2022 for most people is worse than life was in 2010. It's as simple as that. I honestly don't think the same holds true for life in 1997 compared to life in 2010, either. I agree. Ultimately successive Conservative governments have aggregated to create a complete mess. As for 1997-2010, I think most people ended up BETTER off, although all the improvement happened in 1997-2001 and from 2002-2010 things just went up and back down again. But the fact remains that many of the measures created, from smoke-free pubs to Freedom of Information, were great and continue to be great. 4 minutes ago, zugzwang said: But the majority of them must be like Johnson or he wouldn't still be PM. Hmm, not sure. The conservatives I know all voted for Jeremy Hunt in the leadership contest that Boris won, as they didn't trust Boris, but I can imagine many grassroots conservatives voted on the basis of "who is more likely to win us elections?" than "who is most like me?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
“Nasty Piece of work” Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, hotblack42 said: I've heard of dyslexia but this is curious lid The joy of Auto-Knobster. Isn’t it the custard drink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 The damage has been done, the Tories can increase taxes, NI, fail to increase personal allowance with inflation, fail to remove VAT from energy, abandon the triple lock.....no idiot will fall for it when they put things back to how it was, just before the next general election and make out they have given anyone anything.......the government of high taxes, high inflation, stagnant wages and pensions and low growth......how the pound will do is anyone's guess, not looking possitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 48 minutes ago, byron78 said: I cringe when I see people defending Johnson and attacking Labour automatically now. +1 The inanity of soundbite arguments is tiring and removes critical analysis. I show my working for my Tory bile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papag Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, byron78 said: I'm also a bit sick of everyone pretending cutting funding to the bone for most things isn't causing issues and problems. Well the club im involved with gets most of its trade from the local estates where 75% are council /housing association owned , our trade has never been better we are taking on two more bar staff when the extra gov money drops into peoples accounts next few weeks. Also we benefit from the work from home brigade who normally leave the premises worse for wear so to speak which could never of happened in the workplace, so all in all life is good for the clubs sure its same around the country . Edited July 5, 2022 by papag typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, papag said: Well the club im involved with gets most of its trade from the local estates where 75% are council /housing association owned , our trade has never been better we are taking on two more bar staff when the extra gov money drops into peoples accounts next few weeks. Also we benefit from the work from home brigade who normally leave the premises worse for wear so to speak which could never of happened in the workplace, so all in all life is good for the clubs sure its same around the country . What sort of club requires help with investments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, yelims said: I’ll believe it when I see it quite a lot of tech at moment offering solution to the storage problem is vapourware, until it’s not prices are tied to gas costs and standing charges are tied to costs of building grids to remote locations We are still in the development phase, full scale Commercialisation won't happen until the rate of progress slows down and one or two winners emerge. No point in investing a couple of billion in today's best tech when there is a good chance it will be rendered obsolete by the time you have built it. The same issue is affecting wind turbines, firms are still leapfrogging each other with every new model they produce. To really ramp up they need to agree on a standard size so that the infrastructure for mass production of offshore turbines can be built. A year or two ago it looked like 14MW might be it but now it looks like the race is on for 20MW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldED Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, byron78 said: RE: energy prices. Oil is still cheaper per barrel than it was in 2008. That's in USD though. Can anyone guess why it now costs more in pounds? Taxes, biofuel additives, and inflation pressure if prices are going up it will go up regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, scottbeard said: The conservatives I know all voted for Jeremy Hunt in the leadership contest that Boris won, as they didn't trust Boris, but I can imagine many grassroots conservatives voted on the basis of "who is more likely to win us elections?" than "who is most like me?" None of them ever had any appeal to me! I am therefore forced to conclude like models of the economy there are no good Conservatives and very few useful ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BaldED said: Taxes, biofuel additives, and inflation pressure if prices are going up it will go up regardless. It would still be cheaper now than it was then if the pound hadn't collapsed after Brexit (tax on petrol is actually lower now than in 2008 btw). It's an unfortunate thing but I've no idea why people (and our press and politicians) are ignoring it. I presume it's because it doesn't fit the "Brexit is brilliant, honest!" narrative? Edited July 5, 2022 by byron78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papag Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, byron78 said: What sort of club requires help with investments? ours we are a multi purpose sports club serving the community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 44 minutes ago, papag said: ours we are a multi purpose sports club serving the community Whereabouts? Private? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry the king Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 This strike in Norway could destroy us. We need to get drilling in the North sea NOW and get fracking NOW. A country must have energy security. Irrespective of if it is windy or not. The government need to stand up the green extremists and roll back all these crazy policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry the king Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 And these Russia sanctions are madness. Russia has already won that war. Boris is so delusional to think Ukraine can do anything to oust the Russians from the Donbas now. It would be impossible without direct US military help which they won't get. What a waste of money. All so our pathetic politicians can puff their chests out on twitter about how awesome they are helping Ukraine. And they all support it. Across all parties. They support the destruction of the UK economy so Ukraine loses slightly slower. And Russia isn't going anywhere. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldED Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, henry the king said: And these Russia sanctions are madness. Russia has already won that war. Boris is so delusional to think Ukraine can do anything to oust the Russians from the Donbas now. It would be impossible without direct US military help which they won't get. What a waste of money. All so our pathetic politicians can puff their chests out on twitter about how awesome they are helping Ukraine. And they all support it. Across all parties. They support the destruction of the UK economy so Ukraine loses slightly slower. And Russia isn't going anywhere. Pathetic. Sanctions are the right thing to do. But this should have been done at least when Pootin started poisoning people on UK territory. As usual with this lot too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Remember these, they used to be everywhere, old natural gas storage tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, henry the king said: This strike in Norway could destroy us. We need to get drilling in the North sea NOW and get fracking NOW. A country must have energy security. Irrespective of if it is windy or not. The government need to stand up the green extremists and roll back all these crazy policies. https://www.ft.com/content/bd5a3c33-03bc-4434-8465-9d306b8885da Quote Norway’s Gassco, the state-owned pipeline operator, told the Financial Times on Tuesday that “in a worst-case scenario, deliveries to the UK could stop totally” (...) Norway became the UK’s largest source of gas last year, according to industry body Offshore Energies UK, overtaking domestic production for the first time and meeting 42 per cent of all UK demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papag Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 hours ago, byron78 said: Whereabouts? Private? West Yorkshire private, but we do get grants from lottery and sports councils to a lesser extent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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