Pebbles Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 So it looks like Iran has killed 140 of its own citizens (they don't recognize perhaps sensibly dual nationality). Because it's "advanced" air defences that were bound to send the Americans packing according to many got overly twitchy. As much as anything it reflects really badly on their military capabilities that they could mistake a commercial airliner with beacon on for a military plane. No chance of Iran ever letting this get investigated properly either not with what they have already said. Would you really trust them with a weapon more powerful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Pebbles said: So it looks like Iran has killed 140 of its own citizens (they don't recognize perhaps sensibly dual nationality). Because it's "advanced" air defences that were bound to send the Americans packing according to many got overly twitchy. As much as anything it reflects really badly on their military capabilities that they could mistake a commercial airliner with beacon on for a military plane. No chance of Iran ever letting this get investigated properly either not with what they have already said. Would you really trust them with a weapon more powerful? It's not as if the Americans haven't ever done something similar - with an Iranian plane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 11 hours ago, btd1981 said: I'd be interested to see the flight path simulation in the final seconds; the way it went in strikes me as weird for a technical fault only. You'd expect the crew to radio a mayday at least? Even with a major engine fire it should be possible to maintain a good degree of control using the remaining one. Seems they picked up heat tracers For two GTAM right before it crashed. Iran knows they shot it down the Black box will confirm this hence the reluctance To surrender them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btd1981 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, longgone said: Seems they picked up heat tracers For two GTAM right before it crashed. Iran knows they shot it down the Black box will confirm this hence the reluctance To surrender them. This is awful and doesn't bear thinking about. But then it would seem downing a civil airliner has no consequences these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, btd1981 said: This is awful and doesn't bear thinking about. But then it would seem downing a civil airliner has no consequences these days. Yes there does seem to be a collective shrug about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, btd1981 said: This is awful and doesn't bear thinking about. But then it would seem downing a civil airliner has no consequences these days. Would boeing goes as far to make up a missile attack though ?? Its not looking good for them if it just fell out the sky. Too much conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btd1981 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I don't believe a modern airliner would just fall out of the sky. 'Particular Risk Assessment' should be mature by now, and mitigate the possibility of spreading problems. Still not impossible, but doesn't explain absence of any radio com's. I'm willing to bet the crew or systems were instantly incapacitated by shrapnel from a missile. Similar to the airliner downed over Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, btd1981 said: I don't believe a modern airliner would just fall out of the sky. 'Particular Risk Assessment' should be mature by now, and mitigate the possibility of spreading problems. Still not impossible, but doesn't explain absence of any radio com's. I'm willing to bet the crew or systems were instantly incapacitated by shrapnel from a missile. Similar to the airliner downed over Ukraine. There is apparently satellite footage showing heat signatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: There is apparently satellite footage showing heat signatures. Maybe the American brutes shot it out of the sky? Just another murder spree for yankee doodle dandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Maybe US special forces ambushed an Iranian battery and fired the missiles as a type of false flag. Win - Win for the US, Iran admits the blame, or gets shunned trying to pin it on the US. The US are cold blooded enough and they have special forces all over the ground there I have no evidence for this, other than the history of **** that has been the US - Iranian relationship (the Shah, Carter, Regan, Iran Contra, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, msi said: Maybe US special forces ambushed an Iranian battery and fired the missiles as a type of false flag. Win - Win for the US, Iran admits the blame, or gets shunned trying to pin it on the US. The US are cold blooded enough and they have special forces all over the ground there I have no evidence for this, other than the history of **** that has been the US - Iranian relationship (the Shah, Carter, Regan, Iran Contra, etc) Shout False Flag very loudly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, msi said: I have no evidence for this, other than the history of **** that has been the US - Iranian relationship (the Shah, Carter, Regan, Iran Contra, etc) I once met Oliver North! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spaniard Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 A disturbingly cogent contextual analysis of the Iran situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRR-piAtRM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebbles Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 So Iran admitts it's guilt in shooting down the aircraft after maintaining it was impossible for days, and suddenly the black box they had accessed the data from needs to go to France for examination. Does anyone really trust or think Iran can be dealt with transparently? Still bet the American haters here will have another tin foil hat theory to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Pebbles said: So Iran admitts it's guilt in shooting down the aircraft after maintaining it was impossible for days, and suddenly the black box they had accessed the data from needs to go to France for examination. Does anyone really trust or think Iran can be dealt with transparently? Still bet the American haters here will have another tin foil hat theory to explain it. The orange man is bad, Iran has an argument with the bad orange man, therefore Iran is lovely. A civilian aircraft getting shot down over the lovely Iran is therefore 100% certain to be the bad orange man's fault. What's really going to happen now? At a guess, a radar soldier, a missile soldier, and their immediate COs will get punished. Iran and their Russian friends never make mistakes as a state when it comes to accidental (or 'accidental') downings of civilian flights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Pebbles said: So Iran admitts it's guilt in shooting down the aircraft after maintaining it was impossible for days, and suddenly the black box they had accessed the data from needs to go to France for examination. Does anyone really trust or think Iran can be dealt with transparently? Still bet the American haters here will have another tin foil hat theory to explain it. At least the Iranians have manned up and admitted their mistake. Russians still denying they shot down the Malaysian airliner (although they initially claimed credit for it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 08/01/2020 at 17:58, zugzwang said: I wouldn't wish that on them but the Iranians have conducted themselves with considerable composure in recent days. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Shot down a passenger plane and dozens killed in a stampede. Wouldn't like to see them when they are not composed. The Iranians have killed over twenty times more Iranians themselves than Trump did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Execution of innocents expected to protect the guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiltedjen Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 what's incredible is it just shows how many people will die from one decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, jiltedjen said: what's incredible is it just shows how many people will die from one decision. Butterfly effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Oliver Sutton said: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Shot down a passenger plane and dozens killed in a stampede. Wouldn't like to see them when they are not composed. The Iranians have killed over twenty times more Iranians themselves than Trump did. None of which would have happened if Marmalade Face hadn't summarily executed Qassem Suleimani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: None of which would have happened if Marmalade Face hadn't summarily executed Qassem Suleimani. Undoubtedly. Still doesn't negate the stupidity of your post "the Iranians have conducted themselves with considerable composure in recent days." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 39 minutes ago, Oliver Sutton said: Undoubtedly. Still doesn't negate the stupidity of your post "the Iranians have conducted themselves with considerable composure in recent days." I was talking about the Iranian political establishment. You're cheering for a murderer. Go back to your sewer. https://www.breitbart.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Orange Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Trump put the train of tragic events into motion in the first place by picking a fight with a irrational, dogged rogue nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 13 hours ago, zugzwang said: I was talking about the Iranian political establishment. You're cheering for a murderer. Go back to your sewer. https://www.breitbart.com/ And you're cheering for an establishment that executes gays and imprisons and tortures women for not dressing in the approved manner. Shows how much Trump has fücked with the tiny brains of libtards. Thinking coherently is obviously too much for you. Go back to your pond. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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