thecrashingisles Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, longgone said: What a polarized view, brits pay thousands to visit europe and these guys did not even notice it at all ? is the eu so forgettable ? They're not on holiday. It's not some kind of Grand Tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, longgone said: What a polarized view, brits pay thousands to visit europe and these guys did not even notice it at all ? is the eu so forgettable ? English is probably the most common western laguage spoken is probably the reason that is why some of them want to come here. You do make it sound as if they are all wanting to come to the UK. That is by no means the case... that is something that just exists in your head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: They're not on holiday. It's not some kind of Grand Tour. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, IMHAL said: English is probably the most common western laguage spoken is probably the reason that is why some of them want to come here. You do make it sound as if they are all wanting to come to the UK. That is by no means the case... that is something that just exists in your head... I know it is that's why it's spoken all over Europe I guess. God knows why they are wanting to come to a country in decline. Does that graph account for those in the boats every day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunketh Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, longgone said: God knows why they are wanting to come to a country in decline. They have been reading the Fail and the Express and believe the roads are paved with gold for them. Kinda ironic really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, Chunketh said: They have been reading the Fail and the Express and believe the roads are paved with gold for them. Kinda ironic really. I think the roads they like are private hidden roads with expensive tolls to pass that are tolerable In good old uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancTom Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 hours ago, dugsbody said: Brexiters are ok with rich people moving around the world. It is poor people they don't like. They should know their place. This is why there is a salary threshold for spouses. You don't earn more than X? Then your wife/husband won't be allowed in. The tories don't hate foreign people. They hate poor people and don't want more of them coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 56 minutes ago, longgone said: I know it is that's why it's spoken all over Europe I guess. That explains why when i go to Germany and speak pigeon German they don't understand me. Now ot all makes sense.... lol 56 minutes ago, longgone said: God knows why they are wanting to come to a country in decline. What? You mean the few percent that are daft enough to choose Britain. 56 minutes ago, longgone said: Does that graph account for those in the boats every day? Dunno...proly not as that is a recent thang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 hours ago, thehowler said: Well, from what NobodyinParticular is saying the EU will insist on the same movement rights. The trade agreement mandates it, and sets a compliance period, although I can't remember what it is but it's of the order of six months or something. And this is bilateral - e.g. the EU can't offer another country better terms (e.g. the UK) without offering the same to Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, longgone said: I know it is that's why it's spoken all over Europe I guess. God knows why they are wanting to come to a country in decline. Does that graph account for those in the boats every day? Yes. If they come from France to the UK in a boat and they don't get sent back to France it's a Dublin III transfer from France to the UK. It's explicitly what that table is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, IMHAL said: Dunno...proly not as that is a recent thang. Boats have been coming across for years. It's just not been as newsworthy or in that quantity, but other methods have been used (stowing away on lorries). Stowing away on lorries isn't going to be such a good option due to the week's wait in a lorry park in Kent from January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 58 minutes ago, MancTom said: This is why there is a salary threshold for spouses. You don't earn more than X? Then your wife/husband won't be allowed in. The tories don't hate foreign people. They hate poor people and don't want more of them coming here. I knew two professors at a university. The were refugees from Bosnia and they weren't earning much when they came over, but were highly educated. A friend of mine married a refugee from Bosnia, also highly educated. Apparently her best friend (another Bosnian refugee) fancied me but never actually told me, which is a shame as she was nice and incredibly stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, thehowler said: Is that really the case - including geographic indicators and movement of people and their families to facilitate business? Yes, it really is the case. The deal between Japan and the EU indicates that if either side offers another country more favourable terms then if the other nation objects it goes to arbitration and must be settled within a set time. In theory the EU could not ask for equivalent rights but it's not actually very likely it wouldn't. Since it's the larger party in the Japan-EU deal it is highly likely that Japan would offer it the same terms. But then I am not 100% the UK will have been offered better terms, given the EU-Japan deal is new - it might be spin by the UK, or these might be additional things that Japan and the EU are already intending to implement and simply haven't gone public with. Edited September 11, 2020 by NobodyInParticular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Quote Return of the booze cruise and Post-Brexit duty-free for holidaying in EU Holidaying Brits on their way to EU countries will save £2.33 on bottles of wine and £11.50 on spirits under a new post-Brexit regime from January. The limits will be 42 litres of beer, 18 litres of still wine, four litres of spirits or nine litres of sparkling wine, fortified wine or any alcoholic beverage less than 22 per cent ABV For tobacco, the limits are 200 cigarettes or 100 cigarillos or 50 cigars or 250g tobacco or 200 sticks of tobacco for heating or else any proportional combination of the above. The latest changes do not apply to the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland since they are stated as applying only to England, Wales and Scotland. Daily Mail Some Brexit benefits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) Not surprised... https://twitter.com/MarkUrban01/status/1304472986502729728 Edited September 11, 2020 by Dave Beans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, rollover said: Some Brexit benefits This will have to be applied to any imports of the above items from any country if this is not part of a deal with the EU or there is no deal with the EU else it violates WTO rules. If it doesn't apply to NI/Ireland then that will be sure to piss off those in the NI just a little bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: Not surprised... https://twitter.com/MarkUrban01/status/1304472986502729728 My view on this is that with the ERG it wasn't going to be possible to have a deal and keep the Conservative Party together, or come up with a fudge that was a deal. So now there being no deal (and economic damage afterwards) can be blamed on the EU and BJ can glory in the Blitz spirit in January when things fall apart and people are fighting each other for the last turnip. Edited September 11, 2020 by NobodyInParticular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Canadian Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 52 minutes ago, NobodyInParticular said: My view on this is that with the ERG it wasn't going to be possible to have a deal and keep the Conservative Party together, or come up with a fudge that was a deal. So now there being no deal (and economic damage afterwards) can be blamed on the EU and BJ can glory in the Blitz spirit in January when things fall apart and people are fighting each other for the last turnip. So Johnson legacy could end up being: 1. No deal Brexit 2. Massive recession (combination of Covid impact and no deal Brexit) 3. Scottish independence 4. Irish re-unification 5. UK seen as untrustworthy trade partner he's only had the job just over a year - what's his plan for the next four? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Exiled Canadian said: So Johnson legacy could end up being: 1. No deal Brexit 2. Massive recession (combination of Covid impact and no deal Brexit) 3. Scottish independence 4. Irish re-unification 5. UK seen as untrustworthy trade partner he's only had the job just over a year - what's his plan for the next four? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave Beans said: Not surprised... https://twitter.com/MarkUrban01/status/1304472986502729728 Painting themselves into a corner. Almost as stupid as Johnsonomics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 hours ago, longgone said: God knows why they are wanting to come to a country in decline. Why not ask your parents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, Exiled Canadian said: So Johnson legacy could end up being: 1. No deal Brexit 2. Massive recession (combination of Covid impact and no deal Brexit) 3. Scottish independence 4. Irish re-unification 5. UK seen as untrustworthy trade partner he's only had the job just over a year - what's his plan for the next four? Why worry, EC? Wait for December, it's not far off. Could be a FTA - at least a chance - news today that UK economy is up 6.6%, right direction, Scot ref is way off and UK govt might set the wording or try to include Scot-born living in UK, nobody knows what's going to happen with NI and it's too early to say whether international partners are going to shun us or they'll view it as a UK domestic issue around NI. Hold fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, thehowler said: Why worry, EC? Wait for December, it's not far off. Could be a FTA - at least a chance - news today that UK economy is up 6.6%, right direction, Scot ref is way off and UK govt might set the wording or try to include Scot-born living in UK, nobody knows what's going to happen with NI and it's too early to say whether international partners are going to shun us or they'll view it as a UK domestic issue around NI. Hold fast. He never said that he was worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 52 minutes ago, thehowler said: Scot ref is way off and UK govt might set the wording or try to include Scot-born living in UK, Scots living in the UK might like the option to immediately claim EU citizenship via Scottish birth. I am not sure including Scots living in England, Wales, and NI will actually be that keen to vote against Scottish independence. Also, Boris setting the wording would be very unpopular and seen as a bit like the EU setting the referendum question for 2016 might have been seen. 52 minutes ago, thehowler said: it's too early to say whether international partners are going to shun us Since they've already been saying they will, it's not too early. In terms of the economy, it's up 6.6% after being down 20+%. It's still more net negative than every other European nation, AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, thehowler said: Painting themselves into a corner. Almost as stupid as Johnsonomics. Nowhere near as stupid. You really do sound a lot like a Brexiteer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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