PeanutButter Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11863635/Net-immigration-settle-245-000-year-says-OBR.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlooker Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, PeanutButter said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11863635/Net-immigration-settle-245-000-year-says-OBR.html So house prices won't fall significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 9 hours ago, onlooker said: So house prices won't fall significantly. It will certainly boost demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btl_hater Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 More immigration from bongo bongo land, as expected. But it’s what Leave voters wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANG Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 9 hours ago, onlooker said: So house prices won't fall significantly. 28 minutes ago, PeanutButter said: It will certainly boost demand. I predict an increase in flats and HMO'S and more profit to BLT landlords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, FANG said: I predict an increase in flats and HMO'S and more profit to BLT landlords. HKers would be buying. But sure, although the Ukrainians will surely be subsidised by UK gov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 hours ago, btl_hater said: More immigration from bongo bongo land, as expected. But it’s what Leave voters wanted. I love the way that remainers project their racism onto brexiters .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 So that's TeNs Of ThOuSaNdS yeah? hahahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghull Mike Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 & so it goes on..............till the producers get tired of the taxes rises anti-car,anti freedom etc & do what happened in the 1970's & move overseas. Then the collapse hits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_dependent4663 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I don't believe it. The country will go to hell. Then again, I didn't think things would get as bad as they are now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, no_dependent4663 said: I don't believe it. The country will go to hell. Then again, I didn't think things would get as bad as they are now... You saw the m*rons that voted them in..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 coinciding with David Attenborough's new series exposing the increasing pressure on the wild landscapes in the British Isles...can nobody join the dots? In addition consequences -depressed wages, upwards pressure on rents and house prices are obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocha Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Wayward said: coinciding with David Attenborough's new series exposing the increasing pressure on the wild landscapes in the British Isles...can nobody join the dots? In addition consequences -depressed wages, upwards pressure on rents and house prices are obvious Yeah, but virtue signaling gold stars and the personal benefits of worker exploitation means much more to rabid lefties than the future for their children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 14 hours ago, onlooker said: So house prices won't fall significantly. The number of people who died in 2021 was 667,479. The birth in 2020 was 1.56 per woman. By my reckoning that looks like a falling population, even with 245,000 immigrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stjames83 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 14 hours ago, onlooker said: So house prices won't fall significantly. What?! You’ve not been paying attention, this makes zero difference to prices. Supply and demand of credit is the only factor… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 39 minutes ago, 70PC said: The number of people who died in 2021 was 667,479. The birth in 2020 was 1.56 per woman. By my reckoning that looks like a falling population, even with 245,000 immigrants. You give a number for the deaths in 2021 but not for the births, you just say how many children woman are having. I just did a quick Google for 2022. It stated :- Number of Deaths UK 2022 = 650,000 Number of Births UK 2022 = 865,000 So more people are being born in the UK than are dying It is an increasing population even with no immigration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, FANG said: I predict an increase in flats and HMO'S and more profit to BLT landlords. HKer's coming over here are very, very rich. The ones I've spoken to and know of at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 15 hours ago, onlooker said: So house prices won't fall significantly. 21 minutes ago, Stjames83 said: What?! You’ve not been paying attention, this makes zero difference to prices. Supply and demand of credit is the only factor… A friend of mine sells new build houses in a south east London Borough. When Help to Buy was available they were selling like hot cakes. Then when it finished in October the market went dead. As her development came under London they had been offering the full 40% London Help to Buy. She would have people interested who then spoke to the mortgage broker finding out they they were unable to obtain the finance, many of them were a long way short of the asking prices. She might take a sale every now and again from someone who could afford the prices without Help to Buy, but soon after they would cancel, due to nervousness of the market and realising there was so much choice on offer elsewhere. Since October she has reserved just 1 house that did exchange contracts and complete. Then a few weeks ago she sold two houses for cash both to Hong Kong buyers. I wonder how many other cash Hong Kong buyers there are going to be , many of them don't need credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Insane said: You give a number for the deaths in 2021 but not for the births, you just say how many children woman are having. I just did a quick Google for 2022. It stated :- Number of Deaths UK 2022 = 650,000 Number of Births UK 2022 = 865,000 So more people are being born in the UK than are dying It is an increasing population even with no immigration. Point taken and I was wrong. I looked at the births per woman and worked on the basis that it takes two to tango. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, 70PC said: Point taken and I was wrong. I looked at the births per woman and worked on the basis that it takes two to tango. They keep saying we have an ageing population and we need more immigration to sustain our ageing population. But by the looks of things at the rate people are dying compared to being born the population is increasing by 1 Million every five years just from the birth rate being bigger than the death rate. On top of that we have mass immigration which is also running at over 1 Million every five years. How long can these figures be sustained? Things don't seem to be working right now with a population of 70 Million, so why will they work with a population of 72 or 74 or any other number of Millions of people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btd1981 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 The loss of wildlife and habitat pains me the most, but others have said, how sustainable is this? We can increase developed area by x%, decrease wild spaces and farmland by y%< but what really gets hammered is the rate of productivity required from the agricultural land that remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainb Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Insane said: They keep saying we have an ageing population and we need more immigration to sustain our ageing population. But by the looks of things at the rate people are dying compared to being born the population is increasing by 1 Million every five years just from the birth rate being bigger than the death rate. On top of that we have mass immigration which is also running at over 1 Million every five years. How long can these figures be sustained? Things don't seem to be working right now with a population of 70 Million, so why will they work with a population of 72 or 74 or any other number of Millions of people? It's the nonsense of ageing population being sorted by births or immigration. At some point you need to stop the increase. For every pensioner the theory goes you need 2.4 workers. When births go below this you plug with immigration When that person gets old.. they need 2.4 more people to replace, which happens X years sooner as person coming over at X years old not 0. Lucky it's an infinity system. Edited March 16, 2023 by captainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainb Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, Insane said: A friend of mine sells new build houses in a south east London Borough. When Help to Buy was available they were selling like hot cakes. Then when it finished in October the market went dead. As her development came under London they had been offering the full 40% London Help to Buy. She would have people interested who then spoke to the mortgage broker finding out they they were unable to obtain the finance, many of them were a long way short of the asking prices. She might take a sale every now and again from someone who could afford the prices without Help to Buy, but soon after they would cancel, due to nervousness of the market and realising there was so much choice on offer elsewhere. Since October she has reserved just 1 house that did exchange contracts and complete. Then a few weeks ago she sold two houses for cash both to Hong Kong buyers. I wonder how many other cash Hong Kong buyers there are going to be , many of them don't need credit. Like so much it's more than one factor. Credit and schemes are one factor driving prices up or down. Demand is another. To pretend that prices won't fall in the absence of any other factor moving, by mortgages interest rates rising 2% is bizarre. Just as silly is pretending that in the absence of movement in any other factor prices won't rise by immigration being at 250k per annum particularly in major cities Overall there is netting of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, 70PC said: The number of people who died in 2021 was 667,479. The birth in 2020 was 1.56 per woman. By my reckoning that looks like a falling population, even with 245,000 immigrants. The line goes up. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/ But this is the fun one. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ 13.6 million extra (net) people in the world so far this year. Edited March 16, 2023 by PeanutButter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PropertyMania Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Insane said: You give a number for the deaths in 2021 but not for the births, you just say how many children woman are having. I just did a quick Google for 2022. It stated :- Number of Deaths UK 2022 = 650,000 Number of Births UK 2022 = 865,000 So more people are being born in the UK than are dying It is an increasing population even with no immigration. hmmm.. this doesn't really chime with the 1.6ish fertility rate, unless there are many more women of fertile age than old (which we know not to be true). not denying the stats, just feel like we're missing something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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