Theresa May | Statement at 11:15am

[Riedquat]

2 hours ago, billybong said:

"In the national interest".

The 5 year fixed term tenure is pretty much over despite it still being a rule.  There'll always be some reasons/excuses for general elections "in the national interest".  

Sure it could, but the idea is that it has to be clearly enough in the national interest for there to be sufficient cross-party support, it's not enough for the government to decide that it's in the national interest and push it through. The concept is sound IMO.

[Money Frugality]

Rest assured, this is going to be a hung parliament.

[Funn3r]

Scotland will take the opportunity to leave the UK

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/westminster-election-indyref2/

[Roman Roady]

This is going to be such a drubbing for Labour, I suspect it will be the end of Socialism in the UK. The LibDems and SNP will form the only opposition.  Labour cant rely on the Scottish vote as in the past (ala 1983)

[TheCountOfNowhere]

5 minutes ago, Roman Roady said:

This is going to be such a drubbing for Labour, I suspect it will be the end of Socialism in the UK. The LibDems and SNP will form the only opposition.  Labour cant rely on the Scottish vote as in the past (ala 1983)

I think there is the need for a new party.

 

I've proposed the "lets all tell the establishment to f**k off" party.  

 

 

[happy_renting]

38 minutes ago, hotairmail said:

 

Can 'press' include TV coverage? I assumed it was a printing process?

I always printed out TV programmes to look at them later. Cost me a fortune in paper.

[Errol]

5 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

I've proposed the "lets all tell the establishment to f**k off" party.  

This is generally Ukip, surely? It's a travesty that Farage isn't in the House.

Edited April 18, 2017 by Errol

[TheCountOfNowhere]

4 minutes ago, Errol said:

This is generally Ukip, surely? It's a travesty that Farage isn't in the House.

Yes, but UKIP have done there bit.  The UK needs something else. A party for the 99% who actually wants to change things and stop the establishment.

The modern world and it's instant communications show up immediately the lies and deceits of these people, the modern world is here and the people running the country are stuck in the 15th century.

[nothernsoul]

It pains me to say this, but the next tory government will do everything within their powers to prevent a major crash. Publicly they will talk austerity, punishing a few a scroungers for the tabloids; but behind the scenes they will go full on keynes, borrow and print. They dont have the will or imagination to do anything else.

 

 

[TheCountOfNowhere]

8 minutes ago, nothernsoul said:

It pains me to say this, but the next tory government will do everything within their powers to prevent a major crash. Publicly they will talk austerity, punishing a few a scroungers for the tabloids; but behind the scenes they will go full on keynes, borrow and print. They dont have the will or imagination to do anything else.

 

 

It doesnt pain me to say that, they've done everything they can, 1000's of rich men have been bailed out and have cashed in their chips now people are openly speaking out against this madness, everyone knows it's a bubble, the BTLers are being hammer and the US are raising interest rates.

The tories are ready to start the crash not stop it.

[zugzwang]

4 hours ago, Futuroid said:

You have to admit, most of the economic indicators (inc. national house prices) are giving the impression we are at the top of the rollercoaster.

Thank you.

2 hours ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said:

I think May has done pretty well so far considering the difficulties she is up against.

The only thing I think she did wrong was that U turn on the budget and increase in NI. I think that the fact that she no longer wants to be bound by Camerons election pledges has probably paid a large part in her calling this, and she, or any other party in my opinion needs the flexibility to set policy based on what happens post Brexit and not be bound by previous unrealistic pledges. I can imagine lots of things like the triple lock will go off the table and all the manifesto pledges will be suitably woolley.

I think Zuzwangs call is correct and the economy is about to hit the rails. That coupled with a (possible) economic shitstorm from Brexit and interest rates heading up in the US, it makes perfect sense to me for her to go to the country now.

In the Brexit negotiations, who would you rate as being capable of getting the best deal for Britain ? The Tories will play on this and the election will be a landslide.

& thanks.

4 hours ago, Little Frank said:

When have you not said that?

When have you been correct?

As it happens we've had two close calls (conveniently recalibrated by the ONS after the fact) and the weakest recovery from a major recession ever, despite a sustained increase in public spending on a scale unprecedented in peacetime.

 

[Venger]

 

1 hour ago, Little Frank said:

There won't be an HPC in the next 7 weeks & the Tories have already won the election.

Not sure why you seek to personalise everything but I'm not playing into your warped narrative.

You, of all people, lecturing me about forum rules, and about 'attacking' other posters, is just so funny. 

49 minutes ago, Little Frank said:

You attack other posters. As indeed you have done again above. 

If you have a view on the economy or the housing market that is perfectly acceptable, however if you make personal comments attacking other posters that is not. 

See the 'forum rules' for details if you don't understand the difference. Cheers.

Don't you have experience of breaking the forum rules to extremes? 

I made a point that the GE won't all be about keeping HPIers happy (that other people exist).

That there is deep political uncertainty and it is possible that markets could see some reactions during the election.

You tipped into me with a 'dream on'.  

I came back with there may be a lot of political battling/infighting ahead, and other emergent political energies released.. how we've already seen a few shocks pollsters did not expect.   That even if Conservatives win, there may have been heads taken, and political change internally.

You overreacted by claiming I have a 'warped political narrative', and perhaps because I teasingly put you in the with HPIers (with good reason).   I was not even positioning for any set-to with you, but hey-ho with your big overreaction and 'Defender of Other Posters' and making me out as the bad-guy.

Just show me where I have attacked you in this thread !  (And this is just a robust defence pushback post)

 And just allow any other posters who think they have a case against me to bring their own individual complaints against me.   You're calling me out for 'attacking posters'.  You're not forum leader.  You're creating and projecting a negative impression onto me, when I can tell you I have many a friend and supporter on HPC as well.

When I do get into robust discussion, often time their positions are riddled with VI.... including claiming "renter-savers are speculators" / "best buy cause you will lose all your savings in a HPC anyway."   Sound familiar?  

The impression I have is that, over the years, a number of HPC Moderators have had to weigh things up against me up on a number of occasions.  Usually because someone has gone running off with a complaint because I had the nerve to robustly disagree and challenge their position.  Or simply for holding my own view.  Maybe on occasion I have run a fine line in passionate disagreements on matters with some posters, yet I am still here with original membership account. 

 

You project me as the attacker of posters (for holding my views) yet it seems to me that you're the one seeking to close down other views and hound those who disagree with you off.... and very quick yourself to insult people who raise different possibilities/viewpoints to your own... "your warped narrative."   You're not forum leader with a big following of supporters.  And if you are, let the other posters bring their own individual complaints.

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Neverwhere: What's more I fail to see why robustly combating aggression should be seen as a problem whilst the aggression itself is not? It seems to me that those decrying the supposed policing of the forum, the apparent inability of others to express their opinions and the notional hounding off of the forum of certain posters are in effect - whether they realise it or not - trying to accomplish all of these things themselves.

 

You're escalating the aggression, projecting me as forum big-bad and yourself as 'defender of the innocents' and I am robustly pushing back.

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51 minutes ago, BlokeInDurham said:

Why battle-scarred? I'd have thought the opposite would be true? There are two issues May suffers with that it seems to me this election will neatly solve for her: lack of a personal mandate as PM (insofar as we ever have such mandates under our system), and more pressingly a lack of a mandate for a specific post-Brexit relationship with the EU (the "divorce settlement", if you like). Given that May was not a Leaver and has been left holding someone else's baby, a baby she always thought a bit ugly, the polls give her the perfect window to solve these issues. Basically, May can propose state her preferred Brexit "style" (pretty much anything within reasonable limits), slap it in a manifesto, win the foregone conclusion of an election and "Hey, presto", she has a ready-made popular mandate supporting her own preferred Brexit position.

It will be very interesting what position she sets out.

Maybe.  That is all reasonable.   I simply offered the possibility that things could unravel.  There we are on sharp side of political risks/forces/energies released and pushback, against backgroup of Brexit.

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This looks unlikely, I know, but everything else about this has been so cunningly put together… and that there is no better circumstance to arrange for the jeopardisation of a fellow Mind than in time of such chaos and uncertainty, when blanket secrecies are imposed, forces of every sort are loosed, mistakes can be claimed to have been made, deals done, mercenaries hired and old scores settled.   I do not believe I am being melodramatic in this. I will be under terminal threat and so will anybody else who determines to adopt the same course as I. The conspirators have played exceedingly dirty until this point and I cannot imagine they will do other than continue to do so now that their filthy scheme is on the ery brink of success.

-Excession

 

 

[TheCountOfNowhere]

There are forum rules ?

 

 

Edited April 18, 2017 by TheCountOfNowhere

[Steppenpig]

2 hours ago, happy_renting said:

...election...

Jeez, just stop going on about it will you!

[maverick73]

Regardless of elections now or two years from now, the mandate remains the same. Snap elections are to quell the uncertainty within the government walls.

[zugzwang]

32 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

It doesnt pain me to say that, they've done everything they can, 1000's of rich men have been bailed out and have cashed in their chips now people are openly speaking out against this madness, everyone knows it's a bubble, the BTLers are being hammer and the US are raising interest rates.

The tories are ready to start the crash not stop it.

It's going to be much harder for them to hold the economy upright this time, given the UK's record indebtedness (more profound than either 2008 or 2012) and the looming crisis in China etc. I still think we'll see the Tories try to keep hpi going at the bottom of the market with Build to Rent.

2019/20 might be a good time to buy, however, if you're still interested in staying in the UK.

[Toast]

Sorry for the noob question, but I'd like to put up a poll related to the upcoming GE (NOT, I hasten to add, a poll on "who will you vote for?"). Is there an option for creating polls that I've missed, or do I just not have enough posts to get that permission?

[19 year mortgage 8itch]

Are they still holding the Manchester Gorton bye election on Star Wars day? 

Edited April 18, 2017 by 24 year mortgage 8itch

[ebull]

2 hours ago, BlokeInDurham said:

Basically, May can propose state her preferred Brexit "style" (pretty much anything within reasonable limits), slap it in a manifesto, win the foregone conclusion of an election and "Hey, presto", she has a ready-made popular mandate supporting her own preferred Brexit position.

It will be very interesting what position she sets out.

It's remarkable that she's getting away with this not being portrayed as a direct result of a humiliating U-turn over NI tax increases.

In the context of that U-turn I agree it's very interesting to see what is in the manifesto.

IMO there will be nothing new about the brexit position but the rest is wide open. It's an unusual pre election position that it appears they could get a mandate for whatever they want. ... Well as you say : "pretty much ything within reasonable limits"

Given the speech about the Lords making threats in the Brexit debates, will be interesting to see if there are proposals there.

[Gush]

BTL was getting toxic and a political target even before this, I expect labour to promise million council homes in 5 years. May would give an equally unrealistic target just to beat Corbyn.. Happy days...

[slawek]

I've had a quick at the latest poll. Cons gains are mostly coming from UKIP, Labour losses are mostly undecided, LibDem and Greens. There is very little crossing between Cons/UKIP on one side and Lab/LibDem,/Greens on other.   The Cons biggest enemy is UKIP, Lab is Lab itself.

[Little Frank]

11 minutes ago, slawek said:

I've had a quick at the latest poll. Cons gains are mostly coming from UKIP, Labour losses are mostly undecided, LibDem and Greens. There is very little crossing between Cons/UKIP on one side and Lab/LibDem,/Greens on other.   The Cons biggest enemy is UKIP, Lab is Lab itself.

c. 50 seat swing from Labour to Tories to give them a pretty weighty majority. 

Puts the Scottish woman back in her box too.

[Little Frank]

1 hour ago, zugzwang said:

Thank you.

& thanks.

As it happens we've had two close calls (conveniently recalibrated by the ONS after the fact) and the weakest recovery from a major recession ever, despite a sustained increase in public spending on a scale unprecedented in peacetime.

 

So that's a 'never' then. Thanks.

[Economic Exile]

2 hours ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Yes, but UKIP have done there bit.  The UK needs something else. A party for the 99% who actually wants to change things and stop the establishment.

The modern world and it's instant communications show up immediately the lies and deceits of these people, the modern world is here and the people running the country are stuck in the 15th century.

This is how I see things.

When labour formed they were standing up for the working man and serfs. All the current parties are similar in their support of banks and corporations.

It's back to square one for the working man and serfs. IMO the majority are nothing more than serfs.

A new credible party is needed to fight for a decent standard of life for the masses.

[frye]

I wonder where is the best place to emigrate to now for a male who's just entered the 30's.

I don't think I can hack another 5 more years of Tory nonsense.