spyguy Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, ccc said: Just watched bbc breakfast news. They still didn't even mention it. All they said was she said she "had some abuse" What a disgrace Of all the bias I have ever seen on the bbc this could possibly be the worst. Disgusting. Maybe it was a person of colour or an immigrant doign the spitting and the abuse? Maybe not. Problem is that the current Labour now are bunch of nasty stnuc playing at being nice. And they are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Even if BBC4 radio have reported it - its an absolute disgrace the main news story this morning just completely brushed over it. Whether you agree with UKIP stance or not. If you hear this and the term used - 'some abuse' you are going to imagine someone saying something not very nice on Twitter or shouting something at her as she enters Parliament or similar. Spitting on her is a complete different level. But no - not worthy of reporting. And remember this is the same BBC who for about two days had their main news story as the alleged theft from a non entity apparent 'celebrity' named Kardashian. Staggering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuywontbuy Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 A lot of comments on here assume only the best things can happen to the EU, and only the worst can happen to the UK. Some bad scenarios for EU :- Greece rears its ugly head again Italian banking system collapses EU expansion - Turkey joining, EU army, tighter political union - all these goals are negative ones to all but the 1% of current EU citizens. Such expansion will be met with extreme friction Deutsche Bank collapse migrant crisis in mainland Europe becomes focal point again French and German election results pave way for referendums for France/Germany to remain in/leave the EU riots / terrorist attacks in mainland Europe lead to tighter border control and critricism of FOM Brexit goes reasonably well and other countries hold referendums on whether to stay in EU or not Economic collapse in one country or another, dragging the EU's reputation through the mud The only negative right now is the most obvious one in the world - a weaker pound. Tell me who did NOT see that coming? The pound WILL recover, and over time the UK will be seen as a safe bet for investors. The EU? So much is unknown about the direction of this project, or whether it can actually survive another 5 or 10 years. All I'm reading here is a bias toward the status quo, which is human nature - people hate change, especially if the positive results might be a few years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 minute ago, ccc said: Even if BBC4 radio have reported it - its an absolute disgrace the main news story this morning just completely brushed over it. Whether you agree with UKIP stance or not. If you hear this and the term used - 'some abuse' you are going to imagine someone saying something not very nice on Twitter or shouting something at her as she enters Parliament or similar. Spitting on her is a complete different level. But no - not worthy of reporting. And remember this is the same BBC who for about two days had their main news story as the alleged theft from a non entity apparent 'celebrity' named Kardashian. Staggering. Are there any pictures of the incident, if not probably why not much interest from TV. Unfortunately probably about 1000 times more people are interested in the goings on of the Kardashians than some practically unknown politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jo_gian Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 21 minutes ago, canbuywontbuy said: The only negative right now is the most obvious one in the world - a weaker pound. Hard brexit and weaker pound will be actually good for the economy. For foreign companies everything just got 20% cheaper. Extra customs and more expensive imports mean more british companies and more jobs. Extra 10% customs + 20% discount on salaries due to pound dropping = total 10% saving for foreign companies. And we can now lower the corporation tax to any amount so they will save even more. Majority of raw materials are not coming from the EU so that's not going to be more expensive. Banks are on the verge of a collapse since 2008 and they are continously moving jobs to somewhere else anyway, so these jobs will be lost either way in very short time. May is doing the right thing with hard brexit and prioritizing immigration curbs and technology sector instead of single market and passporting. They will never give us what we want anyway, so it would be a huge face loss in the end and a lot of wasted time. Instead of asking for favors we can just walk away and they can **** their single market, let's see where foreign companies go when corporation tax is 10% and pound is 20% cheaper + the mother tongue is the official international business language here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futuroid Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 33 minutes ago, canbuywontbuy said: EU expansion - Turkey joining, EU army, tighter political union - all these goals are negative ones to all but the 1% of current EU citizens. Such expansion will be met with extreme friction Turkey joining the EU now? You might as well have added "attack by Godzilla" - the chances of both are the same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 hours ago, Crumbless said: She thinks its our main concern, it isn't. And middle class and wealthy folk think exactly the same as the working classes on immigration, maybe they're just less vocal about it. She is a sneering social climber who is looking down on the working class. It's pretty much up there as my main concern, because population growth is at the top, which in turn is because of both the amount of stuff needing to be built to deal with it in a country that would be rather more pleasant to live in if it had less stuff built on it (not to mention the fact that there seem to be loads of people absolutely everywhere), and because when we do build stuff we make it so bloody awful. Even if we didn't have stupid population growth we'd still get calls from some idiots for more roads, faster railways, more runways etc. but they'd not carry as much weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 No pictures that I have seen. However that is zero excuse for its complete ignoring from the BBC news this morning. This happened - or was even reported to have happened to any other political leader = all over BBC.End of story. Come on - its not going to kill you to admit that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuywontbuy Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 33 minutes ago, Futuroid said: Turkey joining the EU now? You might as well have added "attack by Godzilla" - the chances of both are the same! "The EU will go from a single market for western countries with similar economies......to Freedom of movement for Eastern Bloc country citizens to come to the UK no questions asked and claim benefits, you're having a laugh!" - said everyone from 1973 to the mid-90s.... Now millions are vehemently defending the above for all they're worth. We never signed up to that in 1973. The EU is a slippery snake. Give it another 10 years and people will be saying it's racist to say it was wrong for Turkey, Serbia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Albania to join the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Totally agree Riedquat. We need more houses !! No - we need less people. Couldn't be more simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuywontbuy Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, Riedquat said: It's pretty much up there as my main concern, because population growth is at the top, which in turn is because of both the amount of stuff needing to be built to deal with it in a country that would be rather more pleasant to live in if it had less stuff built on it (not to mention the fact that there seem to be loads of people absolutely everywhere), and because when we do build stuff we make it so bloody awful. Even if we didn't have stupid population growth we'd still get calls from some idiots for more roads, faster railways, more runways etc. but they'd not carry as much weight. A microcosm of a lack of population control is a particular primary school in Northampton that once had lots of space, playing fields, small classroom sizes. Now the school has been expanded into a "super school" with extra buildings, classrooms and pupils, while having less playing area and space. How people can't see that is madness is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 14 minutes ago, canbuywontbuy said: We never signed up to that in 1973. The EU is a slippery snake. Absolutely. And what the Remain camp missed was that loads of people were waiting for the chance to correct the mistake they made in the 1973 vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) ^ Quote The International Monetary Fund said that the UK will be the fastest growing major economy this year as it rowed back on its predictions that Brexit would lead to economic chaos. The miracle of Brexit. What a turnaround Even most Brexiteers will likely think that's just too good to be true. Edited October 5, 2016 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 44 minutes ago, ccc said: No pictures that I have seen. However that is zero excuse for its complete ignoring from the BBC news this morning. This happened - or was even reported to have happened to any other political leader = all over BBC.End of story. Come on - its not going to kill you to admit that. After Jo Cox was killed I saw an article that listed numerous examples of MPs being threatened or attacked as they went about their constituency business, one was man of the moment and my local MP Gavin Barwell. I had never seen/heard any of them reported on TV or radio, so why would you expect a fuss to be made of someone allegedly spitting at a minor politician almost no one has heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 36 minutes ago, billybong said: ^ The miracle of Brexit. What a turnaround Even most Brexiteers will likely think that's just too good to be true. Do you think this could undermine the Brexiteers argument that the economy was shot and on the verge of collapse anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, Crumbless said: These w4nkers don't seem to realise we don't all want to asslick our way up the social ladder and pretend we're something we're not, and become dinner party chattering middle class tossers. My dad didn't climb any fckn ladders to buy a simple house to raise a family, he wasn't aspirational, he just got a simple fcn house by going to work. Now to want a house i need to be a bearded jumped up aspirational tw4t like Timothy thinks we should be. Christ bring back Dave and Gidiot. Aspiration, achievement, or basic expectation, call it what you will, but being able to rent or buy your home on a sensible income multiple should be a foundation pledge amongst many others. I'm giving the blues a chance, not that there's any viable alternative at the moment; six months to be precise. Dave & Co. should remain in oblivion. Edited October 5, 2016 by Sheeple Splinter Blue threat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuywontbuy Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 22 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Do you think this could undermine the Brexiteers argument that the economy was shot and on the verge of collapse anyway. When did Project Fear officially end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 You really are being incredibly blinkered about this. She was the leader of a major UK political party. You just can't admit the BBC have been ridiculously bias on this - can you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 10 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said: Probably, but does controlled mean more or less immigration. Less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuywontbuy Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I don't think May could be clearer on her speech (right now) that we will be having a hard Brexit. Bring. It. On. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Do you think this could undermine the Brexiteers argument that the economy was shot and on the verge of collapse anyway. These days the IMF's opinion doesn't amount to much. Most of the economic opinion seems to be politically biased and changing depending on the direction of the political weather. It's current view is probably related to the fresh money printing which might result in some statistical improvement but no real improvement and certainly no improvement to most people's real quality of life in the shortish term. The economy is devastated and shot and even some remainers hold that opinion - with desperado economic policies being the order of the day. Mind any actual post referendum benefit should be rightly attributed to the impact of Brexit - but even most Brexiteers wouldn't have expected such a quick uplift after the referendum as a result of getting on track to officially leaving the eu. Edited October 5, 2016 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futuroid Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, ccc said: You really are being incredibly blinkered about this. She was the leader of a major UK political party. You just can't admit the BBC have been ridiculously bias on this - can you ? Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, this is still (for now) a civilised country. But was it BBC who were biased? I mean, was it reported extensively elsewhere in the mainstream press? As for CCTV, etc. perhaps she did not make a police complaint. As an aside, she didn't last as long as Sam Allardyce! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futuroid Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, canbuywontbuy said: When did Project Fear officially end? Was it official? I suggest you revisit "Project Fear" when Article 50 has been invoked and we are 6 months away from leaving the EU. I have the strangest feeling you may find some of the claims prescient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 We are going to lose £80billion of our exports, if you think that won't have an effect, dream on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumbless Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Peter Hun said: We are going to lose £80billion of our exports, if you think that won't have an effect, dream on. Can i have a breakdown of how you came up with this figure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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