frank38 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I guess you live in a marginal UKIP/conservative seat. Makes sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 How does this working minority actually work? Unless UKIP have loads of seats they will have no power. Cameron is on record saying he will not run a minority government unless there is a vote in 2017 on the EU. He may be lying. If it comes to it and there is an option to form a coalition with the lib-dems again would Cameron or Clegg get their way on the EU vote in a coalition agreement? Who knows, but surely it is better than voting for a government run by Labour who are not even saying they will offer a vote under any circumstances. One option - no chance of leaving the EU. Other option - a chance of getting a vote. The City of London and the Keynesian collective at the BoE will never let an EU vote happen. A minority Tory govt and Cameron gets replaced by Boris Johnson. A majority Tory govt and Cameron gets replaced by Boris Johnson. A second Coalition govt and Cameron gets replaced by Boris Johnson. No Tory govt and Cameron gets replaced by Boris Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 The Scots referendum was unstoppable post the appetite for devolution from the 1997 election. (Labour manifesto point and look how that has come back to bite them in the ar$e, that's for another thread though) Whomever was in power would have to have delivered a referendum either back when it was or certainly within the next 12 Months. The SNP have a stranglehold in Holyrood, to have denied them would give credibility to them declaring UDI and breaking away anyway. fandabidozee!! http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/krankies.jpg%253Fw%253D900&imgrefurl=http://order-order.com/2014/11/14/whats-with-scottish-politicians-and-looking-like-the-krankies/&h=298&w=479&tbnid=adkA7Tv_zpudUM:&zoom=1&docid=Sfb99T4zIZ6qrM&ei=AAA9VYLlFYqtsgGA7IDYCw&tbm=isch&ved=0CEQQMygPMA8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenpig Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) If Cameron was serious about a referendum we would be having one on May 7He could have done itin the last parliament. Cameron akes my skin crawl. Edited April 26, 2015 by Steppenpig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b w Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Labour stronghold here, voted UKIP My girlfriend who lives in a conservative stronghold area is also voting UKIP. She is 28 and did tell me she felt a bit sheepish telling friends she would vote for UKIP, its perverse to me as i think you should be more sheepish admitting to voting LIBLABCON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 Regarding the referendums that we saw, they were hardly free votes when you see the propaganda/fear and state interference before each one. It was truly shocking the levels they stooped to to get the right result in Scotland. They look like the shat themselves when it started to look like the Scots would vote to leave the UK. Once these referendums go the way they want they can then stand there and say we have the mandate of the people. For me they are using them to make us less free, not more. It's very clever when you think about it. I want to see what happens when a vote goes against the 1% ers. So the tories can shove their referendum up their Gordon Brown.it's worthless. If everyone votes UKip we won't need a referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Bunny Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Seriously likely to put in a spolied ballot. The only way to send a message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I voted by post. But its a secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Bunny Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Regarding the referendums that we saw, they were hardly free votes when you see the propaganda/fear and state interference before each one. It was truly shocking the levels they stooped to to get the right result in Scotland. They look like the shat themselves when it started to look like the Scots would vote to leave the UK. Which is why UK will NEVER vote for BREXIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 The only way to send a message... Vote UKIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Seriously likely to put in a spolied ballot. The only way to send a message But they only care about votes, not messages. If you are a natural Conservative and you vote for someone else, that's effectively two votes, the one they would have had and the one against. If you spoil the ballot, that's only one vote, the one they would have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank38 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Regarding the referendums that we saw, they were hardly free votes when you see the propaganda/fear and state interference before each one. It was truly shocking the levels they stooped to to get the right result in Scotland. They look like the shat themselves when it started to look like the Scots would vote to leave the UK. Once these referendums go the way they want they can then stand there and say we have the mandate of the people. For me they are using them to make us less free, not more. It's very clever when you think about it. I want to see what happens when a vote goes against the 1% ers. So the tories can shove their referendum up their Gordon Brown.it's worthless. If everyone votes UKip we won't need a referendum Its still a free vote. Under your assumptions there is no point in ever having a referendum on anything because the public will be influenced by the yes/no campaigns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenpig Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Ignore the party trolls. Vote for what you believe, even if your candidate has no chance, even if it lets in your least favourite option. Whether they win or lose, the votes give the parties credance. This tactical voting is something that gives the main parties the impression of legitamacy. Edited April 26, 2015 by Steppenpig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repetitive bleats Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Postal vote done. In the post now. F**K the tories, I will never vote for them again. You choice. Can't see the attraction myself. More interested in your avatar. From Project Rockstar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Ignore the party trolls. Vote for what you believe, even if your candidate has no chance, even if it lets in your least favourite option. Whether they win or lose, the votes give the parties credance. This tactical voting is something that gives the main parties the impression of legitamacy. In my case that is UKIP. Had the Conservative party been led by proper free market Conservatives, it would have been Conservative, as it has been in every election in the last forty odd years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repetitive bleats Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 The only way to send a message... Vote UKIP. The voting equivalent of sticking a turd through someones letter box IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3055928/Moors-murderer-Ian-Brady-reveals-Ukip-supporter-brands-David-Dimbleby-establishment-dumpling-series-ranting-letters-Ashworth-hospital.html Does there need to be a new Godwin's law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Bunny Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 The only way to send a message... Vote UKIP. Yeah, very HPC aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Bunny Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 But they only care about votes, not messages. If you are a natural Conservative and you vote for someone else, that's effectively two votes, the one they would have had and the one against. If you spoil the ballot, that's only one vote, the one they would have had. It's 10 x better than not voting and there's basically noone I have interest in voting for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadJock Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Can't believe it but for the first time in my life I've sent my postal paper back and voted Labour. I Consider myself a natural Tory and the seat is either their's or Labour; I was happy to see the last government go but would be happier still to see these lot get the boot. I 'own' a house, albeit mostly paid for thanks to these low rates but that's no great help for my 22y.o. nor to all those shafted by the never ending stream of prop -ups so all I want to see is a big wobble and the whole lot going bang. Hopefully Labour and the SNP will manage that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gf3 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3055928/Moors-murderer-Ian-Brady-reveals-Ukip-supporter-brands-David-Dimbleby-establishment-dumpling-series-ranting-letters-Ashworth-hospital.html Does there need to be a new Godwin's law? If he had said he was voting LIBLABCON would he have had a piece in the paper. Go on you HPC researchers see if you can find out who he supported before UKIP bound to be a news paper article out there some where. TPTB know how to make the voters vote the way they want. Like the post that said his girl friend feels sheepish about voting UKIP I do as well and I know I shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldbug9999 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 But they only care about votes, not messages. If you are a natural Conservative and you vote for someone else, that's effectively two votes, the one they would have had and the one against. If you spoil the ballot, that's only one vote, the one they would have had. Indeed, not voting is half a vote for the incumbent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 The voting equivalent of sticking a turd through someones letter box IMO. True. But that doesn't change the fact that doing it, to the right people, can be very satisfying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Ignore the party trolls. Vote for what you believe, even if your candidate has no chance, even if it lets in your least favourite option. Whether they win or lose, the votes give the parties credance. This tactical voting is something that gives the main parties the impression of legitamacy. Indeed - and that's why I'm not voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Is this our HPC election thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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