Maghull Mike Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 A return to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghull Mike Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 ...................& now https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrants-stage-pavement-protest-outside-london-hotel-demanding-private-rooms-better-wifi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomberbrown Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 23 minutes ago, Maghull Mike said: ...................& now https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrants-stage-pavement-protest-outside-london-hotel-demanding-private-rooms-better-wifi Two observations. The actions of these illegal immigrants play right into the hands of the extreme right wing. Why are they being put up in a central London hotel, there must be cheaper hotels outside of central London? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Angry Capitalist Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 4 hours ago, zugzwang said: It's been fifty years since the UK last elected a socialist govt. The US has never had one. The problem with capitalism is Margaret Thatcher's free market junk economics. Oh dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Angry Capitalist Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Maghull Mike said: A return to this? if it wasn't for food banks we would probably be already back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghull Mike Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, The Angry Capitalist said: Oh dear! Ah Yes, everything was GREAT before her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghull Mike Posted June 4, 2023 Author Share Posted June 4, 2023 Not looking good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will! Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 6 hours ago, petetong said: "In work benefits" - I presume you mean ESA with no work requirements due to illness Nope, "in work benefits" = Universal Credit Standard Allowance. The extra amount for people with limited capability for work and work-related activity is something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetong Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Will! said: Nope, "in work benefits" = Universal Credit Standard Allowance. The extra amount for people with limited capability for work and work-related activity is something different. Reading that article, it appears they are changing the test for limited capability for work and work-related activity, the end result will be most people being put on standard allowance as the test to qualify for limited capability for work will be impossible to pass apart from a small minority, i.e. they are saying unless you are a head in a jar you can work and if you don't we will penalise your benefits, so what if you have MS, polyarthritis etc ... Edited June 5, 2023 by petetong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancTom Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) On 04/06/2023 at 00:06, MARTINX9 said: The state pension is a contributory and to get the full sum you need to have paid in - typically by working - for 35 years. Its exactly how a welfare system should work - you pay in while of working age and get your rewards via a pension (non means tested) in retirement. Its how almost every European nation does it too - contributory benefits which incentivise people to work and pay in. so what happens if you don't pay in? I bet you don't end up homeless....probably you get some kind of benefit of equivalent amount so you can rent a house etc? Edited June 5, 2023 by MancTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve99 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) On 03/06/2023 at 20:47, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said: the aspect that really annoys me re: benefits is the tax credit stuff - where I see very profitable corporates paying their shareholders and not their staff... with the state expected to fill the gap in salaries - welfare for companies with multi-billion quid profits - now that really does have to stop. Yep and its employers that are the crux of at least half of this problem, refusing to employ disabled and unemployed people who want to work. As one employer of mine some years ago, ie back in the 90s said 'why should I be forced to employ lunatics' when they had been requested to take on a disabled person with a hearing problem. Benefits in the UK are rubbish and very few actually prefer to be on them vs working. Edited June 5, 2023 by steve99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve99 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 3 hours ago, petetong said: Reading that article, it appears they are changing the test for limited capability for work and work-related activity, the end result will be most people being put on standard allowance as the test to qualify for limited capability for work will be impossible to pass apart from a small minority, i.e. they are saying unless you are a head in a jar you can work and if you don't we will penalise your benefits, so what if you have MS, polyarthritis etc ... The arrogance and ignorance is astounding. Perhaps fining employers who refuse to take on these people should be the start of this process to get people off benefits. I have a sister with MS and had a disabled brother who spent more hours looking for work than actually working thanks to the arrogance of employers and right wing governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetong Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, steve99 said: The arrogance and ignorance is astounding. Perhaps fining employers who refuse to take on these people should be the start of this process to get people off benefits. I have a sister with MS and had a disabled brother who spent more hours looking for work than actually working thanks to the arrogance of employers and right wing governments. Yep they totally ignore the elephant in the room, most if not all employers don't want people with chronic health issues and disabilities. But actually they know this and don't care, it's just a way of cutting benefits for the sick. Edited June 5, 2023 by petetong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, petetong said: Yep they totally ignore the elephant in the room, most if not all employers don't want people with chronic health issues and disabilities. But actually they know this and don't care, it's just a way of cutting benefits for the sick. Of course it is. The Biden adminstration is doing a parallel thing with Medicaid. Estimates suggest that something like 15 million Americans are going become uninsured in the next 12 months to give the foul old b*stard something to brag about when he goes up against Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 On 04/06/2023 at 17:05, Maghull Mike said: Ah Yes, everything was GREAT before her It was great in the 70s when a kid.....we mixed with people of all races, it is always the parents that transfer their prejudices onto their kids..... Ugandan Asians Finchley, Greeks Palmers Green, Jews Golders Green, Southgate mixture, Wood Green, Tottenham and Edmonton afro Caribbean, Finchley central or church end use to have a lot of Japanese living there......always a great mix of all sorts, as kids we all got along....Children then had so much more freedoms and so many youth clubs and things to do during school holidays....boxing clubs, football clubs, scouts, guides, Saturday morning pictures, lido swimming pool, busses cheap.....always felt safe, and no mobile phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regprentice Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, winkie said: It was great in the 70s when a kid.....we mixed with people of all races, it is always the parents that transfer their prejudices onto their kids..... Ugandan Asians Finchley, Greeks Palmers Green, Jews Golders Green, Southgate mixture, Wood Green, Tottenham and Edmonton afro Caribbean, Finchley central or church end use to have a lot of Japanese living there......always a great mix of all sorts, as kids we all got along....Children then had so much more freedoms and so many youth clubs and things to do during school holidays....boxing clubs, football clubs, scouts, guides, Saturday morning pictures, lido swimming pool, busses cheap.....always felt safe, and no mobile phones. i too grew up in the 70s but didnt see my first non white person until i was a teenager (Aberdeenshire) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 03/06/2023 at 21:03, Will! said: The answer’s easy: a time limit on in-work benefits. They’re supposed to be a springboard into work, not a long term subsidy. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 05/06/2023 at 17:19, steve99 said: Yep and its employers that are the crux of at least half of this problem, refusing to employ disabled and unemployed people who want to work. As one employer of mine some years ago, ie back in the 90s said 'why should I be forced to employ lunatics' when they had been requested to take on a disabled person with a hearing problem. Benefits in the UK are rubbish and very few actually prefer to be on them vs working. On 05/06/2023 at 17:22, steve99 said: The arrogance and ignorance is astounding. Perhaps fining employers who refuse to take on these people should be the start of this process to get people off benefits. I have a sister with MS and had a disabled brother who spent more hours looking for work than actually working thanks to the arrogance of employers and right wing governments. Only just seen this thread. Fine the employer ... Why not fine the person whos took ~11 years of publically funded education and achieved nothing? Why not find the DSS for lettign this happen? Employees are already paying loads of tax to fund this fkwittery. You want even more money, to make up for the DSS and doley not working??? There no hard n fast rules on empoying people. Any small (under 100) org has to be very very careful. A rough rul of thumb that Ive seen applied is just joining up periods - education work career breaks. Ive never met an employee whos not been OK with people having a break of a few months or a year between jobs- if you afford it. But the thing is, the millions on UC./ESD/DLA/PIP etc, when yu look - and I do know a *LOT* of what I know affectionately as doley-scum is theres nothing there. No work, no nothing. I know people well in their 30s whove never held down a FT for more than a few months. I shall leave the final quote to those men of the left, Stalin n Lenin - According to Vladimir Lenin, "He who does not work shall not eat" is a necessary principle under socialism, the preliminary phase of the evolution towards communist society. The phrase appears in his 1917 work, The State and Revolution. Through this slogan Lenin explains that in socialist states only productive individuals could be allowed access to the articles of consumption. The socialist principle, "He who does not work shall not eat", is already realized; the other socialist principle, "An equal amount of products for an equal amount of labor", is also already realized. But this is not yet communism, and it does not yet abolish "bourgeois law", which gives unequal individuals, in return for unequal (really unequal) amounts of labor, equal amounts of products. This is a "defect" according to Marx, but it is unavoidable in the first phase of communism; for if we are not to indulge in utopianism, we must not think that having overthrown capitalism people will at once learn to work for society without any rules of law. (Chapter 5, Section 3, "The First Phase of Communist Society") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 04/06/2023 at 14:21, regprentice said: motability allows you to top up your monthly payment to buy a "nice" car. my neighbour has a nice 4x4, my wife used to work with an adult with severe learning disabilities who needed a car for staff to drive him about.... they took him to the dealership and he picked a new soft top 206 (this was years ago).... and they got it for him. completely taxpayer funded... just because he liked a car without a "lid". Motability is weird. The basic point behind it seems sound but the cars seem rather too nice for the needs. I met a car trader who was a favoured dealer for offloading old motability cars. He got them used for a song off his contact at the motability scheme and fixed them up and made thousands off each car. Multi millionaire off it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkey Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 6/3/2023 at 8:40 PM, Si1 said: It's appalling. But state pension is running at £100billion+ Quite and with the triple lock likely to go up by another 8%~10% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cbathpc Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Si1 said: Motability is weird. The basic point behind it seems sound but the cars seem rather too nice for the needs. I met a car trader who was a favoured dealer for offloading old motability cars. He got them used for a song off his contact at the motability scheme and fixed them up and made thousands off each car. Multi millionaire off it My neighbour has just got a Hyundia Kona hybrid through the scheme.. she looked embarrassed to say she got it through motobility, I suspect most of the recipients know its too good of a deal. I'm surprised it's never really in the news, seems like a tremendous waste of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbuk3 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 "The Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), co-founded by former Tory leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith" LOL, like putting Dracula in charge of the Blood Bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 What I keep coming back to is, the amount you get on these benefits is not generous. I can only think those on benefits driving around in fancy motors know how to play the system, or they have side businesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, kzb said: What I keep coming back to is, the amount you get on these benefits is not generous. I can only think those on benefits driving around in fancy motors know how to play the system, or they have side businesses. But so do businesses and landlords know how to play the system......works both ways, could add some politicians and connections to that ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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