Will Russia invade Ukraine and what happens if it escalates with NATO/US getting involved

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35 minutes ago, Si1 said:

This is really nice of Russia - starve the third world as a retaliation to sanctions -

The Guardian: US accuses Russia of weaponising food in Ukraine crisis and holding global supplies ‘hostage’.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/20/us-accuses-russia-of-weaponising-food-in-ukraine-crisis-and-holding-global-supplies-hostage

 

Again, your deranged reaction ...

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[Staffsknot]

12 minutes ago, Si1 said:

The Taiwan issue is fascinating. I understand the Chinese military obsesses over the Falklands war and Argentina's failure to hold the islands, seeing it as a parallel to Taiwan. 

The biggest headache is finding where the unofficial US deploys are. These are active service liason and observers but accidentally offing one of the 30 or so US personnel would cause a disaster.

[zugzwang]

11 minutes ago, Si1 said:

The Taiwan issue is fascinating. I understand the Chinese military obsesses over the Falklands war and Argentina's failure to hold the islands, seeing it as a parallel to Taiwan. 

The parallel is with Hong Kong not the Falklands.

Taiwan has never been independent of China and never will be.

 

[zugzwang]

2 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

The biggest headache is finding where the unofficial US deploys are. These are active service liason and observers but accidentally offing one of the 30 or so US personnel would cause a disaster.

For the American brutes, certainly.

[slawek]

Life of a Russian soldier.

 

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US accuses Russia of weaponising food

Medvedev says Russia is ready to allow the flow of food when sanctions lift

The United States has accused Russia of holding the world’s food supply hostage amid growing fears of famine in developing countries, as a former Russian president warned that the Kremlin would not release vital grain shipments without an end to western sanctions.

Medvedev said there’s no logic: on the one hand, insane sanctions are being imposed against us, on the other hand, they are demanding food supplies,” Medvedev said on the messaging app Telegram. “Things don’t work like that, we’re not idiots.”

Guardian

 

 

[Confusion of VIs]

6 hours ago, rollover said:

US accuses Russia of weaponising food

Medvedev says Russia is ready to allow the flow of food when sanctions lift

The United States has accused Russia of holding the world’s food supply hostage amid growing fears of famine in developing countries, as a former Russian president warned that the Kremlin would not release vital grain shipments without an end to western sanctions.

Medvedev said there’s no logic: on the one hand, insane sanctions are being imposed against us, on the other hand, they are demanding food supplies,” Medvedev said on the messaging app Telegram. “Things don’t work like that, we’re not idiots.”

Guardian

They are not demanding food supplies, they are demanding the Russians stop blockading a sovereign nations ports.  

As usual, another day another atrocity

New CCTV Footage Shows How Russian Soldiers Executed Civilians In Ukraine 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Confusion of VIs

[Peter Hun]

19 hours ago, Grayphil said:

I'm going for a solid no on this.

Speaking as someone who has spent lots of time on Russian border towns, they don't exactly have Child fighting pits, where they only survive by killing and eating their other child enemies.

They are kids, the same as our kids that join the army at 16 without a clue what to do with life.

Until the age of 21 the human brain is not fully developed. He shouldn't be treated like an adult or expected to behave like one.

[Peter Hun]

7 hours ago, skinnylattej said:

I don't know anything about the military, but importing materials into Russia, and getting trials run in factories is a nightmare.  Every-one wants a cut, import agents, truckers, factory managers, QC staff, line managers, etc etc. Russia makes Italy and Spain look clean!

Out in the sticks, only the main highways are surfaced, and some of the population live in extreme poverty.

Could call it corruption or a finely tuned  system of skimming.

Much like capitalism, 10% profit for the suppliers. But instead of companies everyone takes their share. The higher you are the more you can take, however exceed your acceptable take and you will be punished. 

This is why Russians do not object to their leaders getting rich. Its expected. It comes with the position.

[Peter Hun]

6 hours ago, zugzwang said:

The parallel is with Hong Kong not the Falklands.

Taiwan has never been independent of China and never will be.

 

Has it every been part of China? It isn't now.

[Peter Hun]

6 hours ago, zugzwang said:

For the American brutes, certainly.

For China if will be if America fully supports Taiwan as a result.

[coypondboy]

This reminds me of Dads Army, as Russia toys with increasing the call up age to include over 40's.  The GErmans had the Volksturrm at the end of WW2 is this where Russia is heading and maybe they are preparing for a NATO country invasion?

 

[zugzwang]

Just now, Peter Hun said:

Has it every been part of China? It isn't now.

You're wrong. There is only one China.

 

[zugzwang]

5 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

For China if will be if America fully supports Taiwan as a result.

It's none of their f***ing business!

Or yours.

[coypondboy]

6 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

Has it every been part of China? It isn't now.

Yes before the Commies took over and the Nationalists fled there to escape in 1940's after WW2.  I think an invasion is highly likely if Xi's brain aneryism using chinese medicine rather than western medicine fails (Reminds me of when Stalin died the Dr's were too scared to treat him until it was too late)

[onlooker]

4 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

You're wrong. There is only one China.

 

The Taiwan government is the legitimate government of the whole of China. It is a democracy for starters.

[zugzwang]

Just now, onlooker said:

The Taiwan government is the legitimate government of the whole of China. It is a democracy for starters.

The Taiwanese govt isn't even recognised by the UN. It has no legitimacy over any part of China.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

They are not demanding food supplies, they are demanding the Russians stop blockading a sovereign nations ports.  

As usual, another day another atrocity

New CCTV Footage Shows How Russian Soldiers Executed Civilians In Ukraine 

 

 

US accuses Russia of holding food supplies hostage

The US is accusing Russia of holding the world’s food supply hostage amid growing fears of famine in developing countries.

Guardian

This is like with the Brexit, you can't have it both ways and cherry pick only the benefits as brexiters did/just promised. You are not thick and I'm sure you know what I mean.

[Confusion of VIs]

1 minute ago, rollover said:

US accuses Russia of holding food supplies hostage

The US is accusing Russia of holding the world’s food supply hostage amid growing fears of famine in developing countries.

Guardian

This is like with the Brexit, you can't have it both ways and cherry pick only the benefits as brexiters did/just promised. You are not thick and I'm sure you know what I mean.

If the blockade is not lifted the US will approve Zalensky's request for 60 long range anti ship missiles. That would clean up most of the Black Sea pretty quickly.

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13 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

If the blockade is not lifted the US will approve Zalensky's request for 60 long range anti ship missiles. That would clean up most of the Black Sea pretty quickly.

Don't be so naive, 60 long range anti ship missiles will not solve the problem but make it even worse, like a red rag to a bull.

I believe you know full well, your present-days proposals are not the solution, but only pouring more fuel on the fire and makes an awful situation even worse.

Don't use the kind of fallacy thinking, similar to Brexiters when they justified Brexit.

 

[MancTom]

1 hour ago, Peter Hun said:

Has it every been part of China? It isn't now.

yes it was until the civil war. Then it became independent.

[Peter Hun]

23 minutes ago, rollover said:

Don't be so naive, 60 long range anti ship missiles will not solve the problem but make it even worse, like a red rag to a bull.

I believe you know full well, your present-days proposals are not the solution, but only pouring more fuel on the fire and makes an awful situation even worse.

Don't use the kind of fallacy thinking, similar to Brexiters when they justified Brexit.

 

Dead bulls are not much of a problem. Russia has less that 20 ships, currently hugging the Crimean coastline sink them, then a couple of submarines and the blockade will be over.

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6 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

Dead bulls are not much of a problem. Russia has less that 20 ships, currently hugging the Crimean coastline sink them, then a couple of submarines and the blockade will be over.

In that case Ukraine doesn't even need 60 long range anti ship missiles, only 20, init?

You are genius, absolutely genius, ... or big fool?

[Confusion of VIs]

7 minutes ago, rollover said:

Don't be so naive, 60 long range anti ship missiles will not solve the problem but make it even worse, like a red rag to a bull.

I believe you know full well, your present-days proposals are not the solution, but only pouring more fuel on the fire and makes an awful situation even worse.

Don't use the kind of fallacy thinking, similar to Brexiters when they justified Brexit.

 

Russia won't be allowed to use starvation as a weapon, the choice will be theirs lift the blockade or lose their ships. 

[Blobsy]

6 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Russia won't be allowed to use starvation as a weapon, the choice will be theirs lift the blockade or lose their ships. 

This. The Arab spring started after food riots. There will be a few more countries piling in if Russia is not careful.

Edited May 20, 2022 by Dogsy