Peter Hun Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 32 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: Recovery teams exist and that it wasn't DF'd by the Russians mean that was the plan. Plan? You make it sound like the Russians are in control of the situation. There are quite a lot of abandoned vehicles being recovered by Ukrainians. A full functioning tank (T72, $4m on Ebay). A BMP with a couple of Chechens who's plan probably didn't included being dead in the back of it. Russian s have occasionally mined these abandoned vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Peter Hun said: Plan? You make it sound like the Russians are in control of the situation. There are quite a lot of abandoned vehicles being recovered by Ukrainians. A full functioning tank (T72, $4m on Ebay). A BMP with a couple of Chechens who's plan probably didn't included being dead in the back of it. Russian s have occasionally mined these abandoned vehicles. You realise Peter that the Ukranian army has the exact same kit and that the production of videos and Ebay without independent verification should actually be treated with skepticism. Planned recovery of damaged or disabled vehicles is part of any operation. Things break in war - its why we have ARRVs to recover things even under fire. In Afghanistan a Bulldog breakdown had to be either repaired in situ, recovered or DF'd. That is how things work. In a high tempo operation you can't delay sitting about waiting on one piece of kit. So you ditch it and move on, marked for follow on groups or trash it. You seem to not understand these simple facts and think this doesn't happen. Its part and parcel of an operation. Vehicles also get destroyed or damaged in combat you know. Now if the recovery was not going to happen why did the Ukranians frag the cab and burn the vehicle when they couldn't recover it? Doesn't take the brains of an archbishop Edited March 3, 2022 by Staffsknot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: I hope you can all understand these observations and learn from them. I'd definately vote for this: We have no values is correct. The EU economies will buy over $300M worth of oil and gas today from Russia. We can call Putin what we like and be horrified at the images we see but it is meaningless outrage if we keep doing business with him. We tear down statues of historic slave traders and yet collectively enjoy the cheap products on our shelves made by slaves. If you think slavery is abhorrent which it is, then those making a profit from it today should be the target of our outrage but I see there is little appetite amongst the noisy and outraged. We don't really give a dam, but it makes us feel better of we pretend we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coypondboy Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 Off to the nursing home in Siberia for you where you can knit soldiers socks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, zugzwang said: She's a very accomplished young woman. A published author whose won numerous awards internationally while still in her teens. No-one has done more to raise the profile of climate change as a political issue. If we put her in charge she would take us back to the 19th Century in about six months. Her timelines and demands would have enormous implications on living standards and global poverty and reverse many of the spectacular advances we made using highly dense fossil fuel energy.. She is an alarmist, but to give her credit she has galvanised an awful lot of support amongst western liberals, but I'm not sure in the long run she will cut through when they realise the true implications of her demands. I find her both impressive and a bit scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, always about entropy said: If we put her in charge she would take us back to the 19th Century in about six months. Her timelines and demands would have enormous implications on living standards and global poverty and reverse many of the spectacular advances we made using highly dense fossil fuel energy.. She is an alarmist, but to give her credit she has galvanised an awful lot of support amongst western liberals, but I'm not sure in the long run she will cut through when they realise the true implications of her demands. I find her both impressive and a bit scary. She isn't an alarmist. Her timelines and demands for climate justice and equality are essentially the same as those made by the IPCC. Your assertion re. the 19th Century is fantastic nonsense. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/28/ipcc-issues-bleakest-warning-yet-impacts-climate-breakdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: She isn't an alarmist. Her timelines and demands for climate justice and equality are essentially the same as those made by the IPCC. Your assertion re. the 19th Century is fantastic nonsense. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/28/ipcc-issues-bleakest-warning-yet-impacts-climate-breakdown Why don't you actually read what people actually say?! Instead you always go off at half c*ck. He said IF she was put in charge...... Edited March 3, 2022 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, zugzwang said: She isn't an alarmist. Her timelines and demands for climate justice and equality are essentially the same as those made by the IPCC. Your assertion re. the 19th Century is fantastic nonsense. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/28/ipcc-issues-bleakest-warning-yet-impacts-climate-breakdown The IPPC is also alarmist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHPCinTheUK Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 At this point I guess in our field we have two different point of views: The sensible one which is the idea we can continue to help the Ukrainians fighting the Russians until they can in order to sit down around a table with something we can use to negotiate and maybe have a West Ukraine along with an Eastern one. Maybe this is what the PM is thinking The crazy one, probably from the Foreign Secretary and some EE countries happy to see this conflict to escalate further with NATO troops or at least Europeans on the fields directly fighting the Russians. Total madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coypondboy Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 12 hours ago, shlomo said: No, you beat me on this one Congratulations You win a hot Ukrainian with big Bristols. sounds like my cleaning lady in austria Iryna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 34 minutes ago, always about entropy said: If we put her in charge she would take us back to the 19th Century in about six months. What, coal powered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 48 minutes ago, coypondboy said: Off to the nursing home in Siberia for you where you can knit soldiers socks. She's got more balls than Putin's troll army of useful fools combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Riedquat said: What, coal powered? No, the energy intensity of the global economy would collapse without fossil fuel burning its what we do. Its what gives us high standards of living, its pulled billions out of poverty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, always about entropy said: No, the energy intensity of the global economy would collapse without fossil fuel burning its what we do. Its what gives us high standards of living, its pulled billions out of poverty. I was being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, Riedquat said: I was being sarcastic. Ah my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Riedquat said: What, coal powered? 🤣🤣🤣👍 Sometimes you are on point Riedz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coypondboy Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 Holy crap imagine this happening in your road on the way to do your shopping. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-news-putin-kherson-kyiv-kharkiv-invasion-live-updates-12541713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, NoHPCinTheUK said: The crazy one, probably from the Foreign Secretary and some EE countries happy to see this conflict to escalate further with NATO troops or at least Europeans on the fields directly fighting the Russians. Total madness. Boris Brexit revenge? Escalate the conflict narrative force Europe to stop buying Russian hydrocarbons watch EU economy implode. Blame Vlad and EU energy strategy for global fallout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, always about entropy said: Boris Brexit revenge? Escalate the conflict narrative force Europe to stop buying Russian hydrocarbons watch EU economy implode. A good strategy you have to admit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, NoHPCinTheUK said: At this point I guess in our field we have two different point of views: The sensible one which is the idea we can continue to help the Ukrainians fighting the Russians until they can in order to sit down around a table with something we can use to negotiate and maybe have a West Ukraine along with an Eastern one. Maybe this is what the PM is thinking The crazy one, probably from the Foreign Secretary and some EE countries happy to see this conflict to escalate further with NATO troops or at least Europeans on the fields directly fighting the Russians. Total madness. Putin will never be allowed to walk this back. No Western politician is to going to propose his assassination, of course. Privately, that's exactly what we intend to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHPCinTheUK Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, always about entropy said: Boris Brexit revenge? Escalate the conflict narrative force Europe to stop buying Russian hydrocarbons watch EU economy implode. Blame Vlad and EU energy strategy for global fallout. I am not sure they will to be honest. The Europeans are still buying Russian gas right now (no choice for them I guess) and the narrative can change very quickly once they start seeing the price of fuel at the pump and the figure on their bills. I read the bank through which payments for gas are processed isn’t included in the sanction list. Like it or not Putin ain’t no Hitler and he’s not dropping bombs all over the place trying to conquer the world. Edited March 3, 2022 by NoHPCinTheUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, shlomo said: A good strategy you have to admit Yes, especially as it occupies the high ground re doing business with war criminals. The EU desperately needs Russian energy assets. Whereas as we just confiscate Russian assets as most of them are already here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHPCinTheUK Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Do you guys think that if the fuel price goes above £2 and bills skyrocket people will still interested in the resistance in Ukraine, NATO and Putin the mad guy? This is a genuine question, I’m not trying to join any team here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, NoHPCinTheUK said: I am not sure they will to be honest. The Europeans are still buying Russian gas right now (no choice for them I guess) and the narrative can change very quickly once they start seeing the price of fuel at the pump and the figure on their bills. I read the bank through which payments for gas are processed isn’t included in the sanction list. Like it or not Putin ain’t no Hitler and he’s not dropping bombs all over the place trying to conquer the world. I agree they don't want to for very sound economic reasons. But I think boris would like them too, because its actually the right thing to do. Ding business with a war criminal to save your own skins, not a good look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always about entropy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, NoHPCinTheUK said: Do you guys think that if the fuel price goes above £2 and bills skyrocket people will still interested in the resistance in Ukraine, NATO and Putin the mad guy? This is a genuine question, I’m not trying to join any team here. No EU countries will ditch Ukraine to save their economies and the banksters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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