Timm Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18797785.oxford-scientists-make-five-minute-coronavirus-test/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just needs six months of trials apparently I'm not sure it is trials exactly, but yes, it might not be ready for roll out till next summer. But that means efforts to control Covid over the winter might not be pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 It is a little bit "cover passporty" though, so perhaps one for the conspiracy theorists. I take it you want everyone to have a COVID passport, but why are you saying it's for the conspiracy theorists when such a thing has already been floated in the news several times and is being trialed in Ireland at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Or visitors or hairdressers or.. Its not "nice" to enforce a lockdown on older people and put controls in; but neither is shutting thousands of businesses and causing mass unemployment for millions. If the risk of death is in the former, which it clearly is.. seems odd to jump to the mass shut downs without doing the lockdown there It has always been more politically expedient to force medical procedures onto children (vaccination) because they are not as independent, and are to a greater extent, already more the responsibility of the state via school, social services but mainly school. (A) Forcing medical procedures onto the over 65s on the other hand is a spicy meatball, especially if it is constantly rammed into their throat how they are vulnerable, because then situation becomes the affected not being allowed to make their own choices. Here is a perfect case in point of the affected not being allowed to make their own choices, albeit a 5 year old... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ashya-king-boy-5-free-cancer-after-proton-therapy-after-family-flees-uk-treatment-10126847.html "Ashya King – who was at the centre of an international manhunt after his parents removed him from a UK hospital without consent – has been given the all clear from cancer." By relative terms you are of course absolutely correct with regards to shutting down everyone and it is the issue of the paragraph (A) that gives rise to this contradiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticket2ride Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 So, on the new gov.uk snapshot / dashboard site, there is a map of cases by local area. It used to tell you the number of cases over the last week, unless there were less than three cases, in which case they just said "0 - 2 cases". I notice that on the new version of the map, it won't even confirm that it is an area of low cases. In fact, on the "key", it identifies the white coloured areas not as "0 - 2 cases", but as "suppressed", which seems very honest! I suppose you could argue that maybe it just means that the virus is suppressed in those areas, but then when you click on the area, it should come up with the data box? This one? https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 A thought....... It has occurred to me, from long time personal observation, that PERHAPS one more reason for some people coming down hard with Covid-19 could be in some part down to just how much and how immediately they follow th age old GP's standard line about what to do when getting the flu, "drink lots of fluids and get complete bedrest..." or such like. I for one, many times in the past, having sensed/felt the very early onset of symptoms ALWAYS did just this - immediately took to bed, drank plenty of fluids (and modified diet). The only physical exertion being to get up to go to the toilet). Now it may just have been good luck and many other factors at play but since adopting such a regimen I have yet to have a genuinely serious bout of flu. Now before others lash out at me, I fully understand that to do this can be extremely difficult or nigh on impossible, e.g single parent with young children to look after, etc. But I do wonder how much the early stage grin and bare it/just get on with it attitude, even IF only adhered to for an initial period before being forced to take to bed, can result in symptoms ultimately being worse? Given that, for those that develop illness, it is worse than regular flu then surely the need for rest/fluids is greater? and any failure to do so will merely exacerbate what is already an illness worse than flu. Thoughts anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Is it because a no deal brexit will bring chaos, so they want everyone locked up indoors? There is something afoot...! Of course it was speculated, this whole Covid thing makes brexit look like a sideshow. I say this as someone, who is remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Has nobody heard about the Oxford test? Sounds like it could be a total game changer. Apparently: Five minutes to get result. Cheap (to produce). Highly scalable (vast numbers of tests). I also got the impression it could be administered with little training. And, it works on any virus apparently, a bit like a sniffer dog - you show it the virus, show it a sample and it says "snap" or "no snap". It is a little bit "cover passporty" though, so perhaps one for the conspiracy theorists. Great aslng as it specific for covid 19..but our pcr test spews out false positives at over twice the rate of someone has one of the 4 endemic Coronavirus' that are already circulating. I originally thought this was actually a myth.. But sadly not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Oh yes - now that does stink to high heaven. You have made my firday night in! We agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 A thought....... It has occurred to me, from long time personal observation, that PERHAPS one more reason for some people coming down hard with Covid-19 could be in some part down to just how much and how immediately they follow th age old GP's standard line about what to do when getting the flu, "drink lots of fluids and get complete bedrest..." or such like. I for one, many times in the past, having sensed/felt the very early onset of symptoms ALWAYS did just this - immediately took to bed, drank plenty of fluids (and modified diet). The only physical exertion being to get up to go to the toilet). Now it may just have been good luck and many other factors at play but since adopting such a regimen I have yet to have a genuinely serious bout of flu. Now before others lash out at me, I fully understand that to do this can be extremely difficult or nigh on impossible, e.g single parent with young children to look after, etc. But I do wonder how much the early stage grin and bare it/just get on with it attitude, even IF only adhered to for an initial period before being forced to take to bed, can result in symptoms ultimately being worse? Given that, for those that develop illness, it is worse than regular flu then surely the need for rest/fluids is greater? and any failure to do so will merely exacerbate what is already an illness worse than flu. Thoughts anyone? You could be right. Let's take a look at Boris and Trump.. Boris tried to battle on, and say it Was just a cold.. Got severely ill Trump, the second he was ill went to rest, no exertion, and yes got pumped with all kinds of things. I have no idea if what you was saying is correct, and we can probably never prove it, but if you are ill, coughing, sneezing and feeling lousy. You aren't a greater person, for trying to tough it out and go to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 So @This time and @Confusion of VIs here is an article from Dr Yeadon, former chief scientific advisor to Pfizor We had a few chats a while ago about different amounts of antibodies being produced in different places. Part of the article looks to adressing the very issue you raised. Its a decent article whether you believe it, and by god is he critical of sage. I fully agree with him, and have been saying these here for months,, it's just nice that the evidence is again pouring In against the Evil Sage, imperial college, and the Jail worthy Fergusson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Trump, the second he was ill went to rest. Yes, always good to get some bed rest while 4 assassination teams are after you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 So @This time and @Confusion of VIs here is an article from Dr Yeadon, former chief scientific advisor to Pfizor We had a few chats a while ago about different amounts of antibodies being produced in different places. Part of the article looks to adressing the very issue you raised. Its a decent article whether you believe it, and by god is he critical of sage. I fully agree with him, and have been saying these here for months,, it's just nice that the evidence is again pouring In against the Evil Sage, imperial college, and the Jail worthy Fergusson. Yeadon is now "misleading information" according to the "fact checkers" of Facebook / Twitter. Miinistry of truth must have "fact checkers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 You just did lol You're incorrect. Check the post history before making such claims. Now here's what's interesting- It wasn't you that said to me (unless you have two accounts) but you're very sensitive about it all the same to react to my post in that way... All material for the PhD in psychology I will have to do after being on here😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticket2ride Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Better now? That feels weird upside down. I uploaded that picture when I joined in 2007. So long ago. They were the good old days of HPC. Printy printy.. and I would love a bit of BOOM BOOM in a cgno style "NIRP WARNING" 😄 (oh, it's happening) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) "NIRP WARNING" 😄 (oh, it's happening) They central banks know what they are doing, they are the experts. NIRP NIRP NIRP NIRP NIRP NIRP NIRP NIRP NIRP NIRP Edited October 16, 2020 by Arpeggio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 But, if I'm honest, the whole thing is starting to stink a bit now. It's always been jobs for the boys, the 52 million ppe contract for a company that had never traded.. Actually it was £550million, unless this is another one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I'm not sure it is trials exactly, but yes, it might not be ready for roll out till next summer. But that means efforts to control Covid over the winter might not be pointless. Southampton Uni have a bedside test, 1 hour I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Herd immunity != let the virus to spread through the population freely You can get herd immunity through vaccination too. Yes you can get herd immunity through a vaccination programme. Only problem is well be waiting until 2023 for a vaccine. 28000 extra people have at home this year and 25000 of them are not from covid. Do you want this to continue for the next two years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 They central banks know what they are doing, they are the experts. There's a reason Western interest rates are stuck at zero, and it has nothing to do with Covid-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I think this is a nice graph explaining why we have the second wave. Socialising, especially "eat out to help out", started it in August, opening schools "helped" in September. The "eat out to help out" has turned out to be a very expensive mistake. source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandwellbeing/bulletins/coronavirusandthesocialimpactsongreatbritain/16october2020 Agree that eat to help out was a ridiculous waste of money and probably helped the seed the recent rise infections. However we need to accept that what has happened is inevitable as also seen in the rise in cases across Europe and will continue until herd immunity is reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 The US deficit for 2020 is an all-time record high! The Trump administration reported Friday that the deficit for the budget year that ended on Sept. 30 was three times the size of last year’s deficit of $984 billion. It was also $2 trillion higher than the administration had estimated in February, before the pandemic hit. It was the government’s largest annual shortfall in dollar terms, surpassing the previous record of $1.4 trillion set in 2009. At that time, the Obama administration was spending heavily to shore up the nation’s banking system and limit the economic damage from the 2008 financial crisis. ... The administration’s final accounting of the 2020 budget year shows that revenues fell by 1.2% to $3.42 trillion, while government spending surged 47.3% to $6.55 trillion. That spending reflects the relief programs Congress passed in the spring to support the economy as millions of Americans were losing their jobs. Some Republican lawmakers are now voicing opposition to another massive coronavirus relief bill due to budget concerns, but Trump himself has instructed Congress to “go big or go home” on the relief package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I think SAGE has done this. They have estimates of how much reduction in cases doing each action will have. Its unclear whether the government actually uses this knowledge though in its decision making. SAGE has said these local lockdown actions won't have any significant impact, so it does look like a lot of economic damage for no gain. Only a full lockdown would help now (IMO we should have done this at leats a month ago, because the earlier you do it the shorter timescale you need to be in lockdown for and hence the least economic damage) and eventually the government will do it if deaths keep doubling. There is an important caveat to all models ceteris parabus, other things being equal. Anyone who believes that by shutting down one thing there will not be countereffects is a naive simpleton. For example shutting pubs at 10pm causing people to start drinking earlier and congregating afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 You're incorrect. Check the post history before making such claims. Now here's what's interesting- It wasn't you that said to me (unless you have two accounts) but you're very sensitive about it all the same to react to my post in that way... All material for the PhD in psychology I will have to do after being on here😜 You’re messed up in the head over Trump - plenty in your position so it would be unfair to call it ‘abnormal’. But it IS deeply interesting what lengths people will go to to hang onto ‘political’ convictions. Well perhaps not so much the ‘politics’ as such, more the motivation and how reality gets completely screwed up along the way. And by the power of grey-skull internet we get a ring-side seat and the opportunity to quiz what on earth is going on between the ears Couldnt resist teasing you over the Trump/Sweden little war. But really I’m just curious to what extent you could be provoked into putting politics to the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Has nobody heard about the Oxford test? Sounds like it could be a total game changer. Apparently: Five minutes to get result. Cheap (to produce). Highly scalable (vast numbers of tests). I also got the impression it could be administered with little training. And, it works on any virus apparently, a bit like a sniffer dog - you show it the virus, show it a sample and it says "snap" or "no snap". It is a little bit "cover passporty" though, so perhaps one for the conspiracy theorists. I think we've been here before. I'm fed up of the repeats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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