Confusion of VIs Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, ****-eyed octopus said: This has brought home to me exactly what we did when we joined the EU. Parliament signed away its powers - which are derived from the electorate - to a foreign power. I regard this as an act of treason. ????? Are you talking about something else. Back on planet earth our Supreme Court has just confirmed the sovereignty of Parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gardener Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: ????? Are you talking about something else. Back on planet earth our Supreme Court has just confirmed the sovereignty of Parliament Sophistry and weasel words. The people have spoken. Reminders are playing with fire. They really can't conceive of the level of unrest they are going to see if Brexit is frustrated. How would the UK function if 17 million+ go on a general strike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, the gardener said: Sophistry and weasel words. The people have spoken. Reminders are playing with fire. They really can't conceive of the level of unrest they are going to see if Brexit is frustrated. How would the UK function if 17 million+ go on a general strike? That's only an issue if Parliament doesn't vote it through. I don't like the idea of a PM being able to sidestep Parliament if she can claim enough public support, and if there's a conflict between public support for an idea and Parliament then that's a problem that needs fixing, not sidestepping. I don't usually go for "slippery slope" arguments but it's not a good idea to set such precedents IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 It would've been better tactically to not have this finding at this point. Far better to have it further down the line when negotiations coming to an end. If we don't like the deal, we could've said, oh hang on the presentation of A50 was not consititutional, it's all null and void. We're not leaving after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-battle-eu-theresa-may-single-market-free-trade-deal-negotiations-sir-andrew-cahn-uk-economy-a7532791.ht 6 minutes ago, the gardener said: Sophistry and weasel words. The people have spoken. Reminders are playing with fire. They really can't conceive of the level of unrest they are going to see if Brexit is frustrated. How would the UK function if 17 million+ go on a general strike? I think you rally are away with the fairies on this one. This is about following the rule of law nothing to do with frustrating Brexit. First why would they, A50 will be quickly voted through and anyway given the demographic of the Brexit voters, would we notice. Mass refusal to draw pensions, benefits and unemployment pay doesn't sound that scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) The PM delayed by 82 days to wait for this appeal that was throughly lost by 8-3 (they would have known the likely outcome) As i have said all along the Government are just stalling at every chance they get, now it will be blame the judicary, Corbyn, SNP etc etc Edited January 24, 2017 by workingpoor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Riedquat said: That's only an issue if Parliament doesn't vote it through. I don't like the idea of a PM being able to sidestep Parliament if she can claim enough public support, and if there's a conflict between public support for an idea and Parliament then that's a problem that needs fixing, not sidestepping. I don't usually go for "slippery slope" arguments but it's not a good idea to set such precedents IMO. The unions are Remainers. There won't be 17 million going on strike over this.. BTW, everyone says the BBC C4 et al have a left wing bias. Have you noticed when it is industrial action by (largely) white males, that left wing bias evaporates? Believe me, if there were strikes for Brexit, the full force of the MSM propaganda machine will be directed against them. Just look what they're doing with Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Seems like a realistic view of how things will now unfold. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-battle-eu-theresa-may-single-market-free-trade-deal-negotiations-sir-andrew-cahn-uk-economy-a7532791.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Expected and if parliament do what the public have told them to do not an issue. Time will tell if they start to faff about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Seems like a realistic view of how things will now unfold. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-battle-eu-theresa-may-single-market-free-trade-deal-negotiations-sir-andrew-cahn-uk-economy-a7532791.html Any PM / Party with or without Parliament's backing (though now we know we need it) that triggers exit from the single market without a ready made set of deals to step into is a ) Mad b.) will go down in history as the biggest idiot ever c) will destroy the prosperity of the UK I don't hold out hope for a sensible deal with the US, as it will mean mandatory high fructose corn syrup for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And we'll all be driven Chryslers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, ccc said: Expected and if parliament do what the public have told them to do not an issue. Time will tell if they start to faff about. I am sure they'll faff plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: I am sure they'll faff plenty. Of course they will, they keep making soundbites about "the will of the people" but IMO it is all hollow hardtalk designed to placate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, kzb said: The unions are Remainers. There won't be 17 million going on strike over this.. BTW, everyone says the BBC C4 et al have a left wing bias. Have you noticed when it is industrial action by (largely) white males, that left wing bias evaporates? Believe me, if there were strikes for Brexit, the full force of the MSM propaganda machine will be directed against them. Just look what they're doing with Trump. Just look at what Trump is doing with Trump. I feel sorry for Spicer how long can he face having to stand up in front of the worlds press arguing that black is white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: Any PM / Party with or without Parliament's backing (though now we know we need it) that triggers exit from the single market without a ready made set of deals to step into is a ) Mad b.) will go down in history as the biggest idiot ever c) will destroy the prosperity of the UK I don't hold out hope for a sensible deal with the US, as it will mean mandatory high fructose corn syrup for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And we'll all be driven Chryslers. We're going to drive mustangs mate - it's going to be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: I am sure they'll faff plenty. Time will tell. We are leaving so the sooner they get on with it the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggerUK Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 07/11/2016 at 3:36 PM, rollover said: Odd things happening on this thread. Can't figure out why quoting rollover has appeared..._ Anyway, to my reply. What is it about the Supreme Court decision that the Attorney General doesn't understand. If you listen to his comments on the court steps, he seems to believe that at the end of the two year parliamentary debate, the executive can simply take us out without an agreement, if MP's haven't concluded how it will be done. If that is what parliament decides, then fine, but it is only Parliament who decides what to do if discussions are not complete. I don't, nor have I ever, given a rats **** if we are in or out. But allowing a cabal called the 'executive' to decide, and ignore parliament, is the gravest danger to all our liberties and freedoms..._ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gardener Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, DiggerUK said: Odd things happening on this thread. Can't figure out why quoting rollover has appeared..._ Anyway, to my reply. What is it about the Supreme Court decision that the Attorney General doesn't understand. If you listen to his comments on the court steps, he seems to believe that at the end of the two year parliamentary debate, the executive can simply take us out without an agreement, if MP's haven't concluded how it will be done. If that is what parliament decides, then fine, but it is only Parliament who decides what to do if discussions are not complete. I don't, nor have I ever, given a rats **** if we are in or out. But allowing a cabal called the 'executive' to decide, and ignore parliament, is the gravest danger to all our liberties and freedoms..._ The people decided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 13 minutes ago, the gardener said: The people decided. I think you need to go and have a chat with your cousin - he may be able to put you straight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, the gardener said: 8-3 against. Enemies of the people. Time to dismantle the House of Lords etc and become a republic. WTF has the house of lords got to do with the Supreme Court judgement? You're seriously losing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, the gardener said: The people decided. The liars rejoiced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashinmattress Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 32 minutes ago, DiggerUK said: Odd things happening on this thread. Can't figure out why quoting rollover has appeared..._ Anyway, to my reply. What is it about the Supreme Court decision that the Attorney General doesn't understand. If you listen to his comments on the court steps, he seems to believe that at the end of the two year parliamentary debate, the executive can simply take us out without an agreement, if MP's haven't concluded how it will be done. If that is what parliament decides, then fine, but it is only Parliament who decides what to do if discussions are not complete. I don't, nor have I ever, given a rats **** if we are in or out. But allowing a cabal called the 'executive' to decide, and ignore parliament, is the gravest danger to all our liberties and freedoms..._ No. Theresa May is not the head of state, nor is she in her position through the virtue of a GE running as prime minister, nor is she above the constitutional processes of our parliament. The terms & conditions shall be discussed in parliament and follow parliamentary process to ascension. And not in Theresa May's kitchen in No.10 like Blair did with his scummy pals. What part of that is a 'grave danger' to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cock-eyed octopus Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said: ????? Are you talking about something else. Back on planet earth our Supreme Court has just confirmed the sovereignty of Parliament Parliament made itself subservient to a foreign power. It had no right to do so. It was an act of treason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, ****-eyed octopus said: Parliament made itself subservient to a foreign power. It had no right to do so. It was an act of treason. At least Trumpski failed to get Farage installed. And anyway, it hasn't quite happened yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggerUK Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, cashinmattress said: What part of that is a 'grave danger' to you? The grave danger is the kitchen at No.10. The 'royal prerogative' of that room needs ending for good. Hopefully today's decision will speed up the burial process. It's not Room 101 we should fear, it's the No.10 kitchen..._ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cock-eyed octopus Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said: At least Trumpski failed to get Farage installed. And anyway, it hasn't quite happened yet. What hasn't happened? It happened when we joined the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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