Peter Hun Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, rollover said: I think, now it is done through the European Health Insurance Card Thats only for short term visits, doesn't cover residents/long stayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wish I could afford one Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, rollover said: I think, now it is done through the European Health Insurance Card .... No, the EHIC is for travel to other EU countries. If you're a UK pensioner living in an EU27 country pre-Brexit you need to complete what is called an S1 form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 53 minutes ago, winkie said: Nobody should be forced to leave their home to go into a care home if they don't want to......that is what families are for.....the Europeans are better at looking after their elderly. Mostly cost of health is not for people that can't look after themselves, it is the high cost of trying to keep people healthy.? UK families are too busy earning for big mortgages and rent to have the time to care for the elderly. The source of most of the UKs rot is the expensive cost of housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wish I could afford one Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 hours ago, winkie said: Do people travelling to other EU countries get tax credits and housing benefits?.......I know there is a reciprocal agreement for free health for pensioners living in the EU, all others not working have to pay their own way and buy their own health insurance........looks likely that existing who live here will be safe if gainfully employed...... unfortunately only the wealthy retired in future will be able to live in other EU countries, the ones that can afford the cost of living and health insurance.....older = higher risk, thus a high price to pay......brexit will mean fewer choices of movement for those with less.....no longer the dream of early retirement to live in the sun.? As early retirees in Cyprus we need to take out private health insurance. We'll minimise the annual costs of that with an excess and then pay as you go for GP visits etc. They cost about EUR30 a visit. If we had have stayed in the EU (and of course depending on the deal or no deal it could remain) then once we achieved State Pension age we could have applied for the S1 to get free state healthcare in Cyprus like a Cypriot national but which is really paid for by the UK AIUI. Flip it on it's head and an early EU27 retiree coming to the UK would get free NHS treatment as it's based on residency. The UK government could have easily sorted this problem but chose not to. An easy example that would have helped with costs is free NHS is available to permanent residents and not just residents. The EU doesn't prescribe what you have to do it just says you have to treat all EU citizens equally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Car crash interview for Banks, thought he was going to walk at one point. Nothing cleared up, natch. Time he showed his full accounts to the NCA, should they decide to proceed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 What do you think about Arron Banks interview with Andrew Marr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHorseWaits-NoMore Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) Banks didn't look too worried to me.? Liked his comment about Westminster's shocking Brexit handling/behaviour and that as a result, in hindsight, he thought it would have been better for 'us' to remain and "not unleash these demons".? See it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhpZTQl_C0&t=2517 Edited November 4, 2018 by DarkHorseWaits-NoMore typo's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said: What if you don't want any kind of care, care home or home care? Don't have any, no one is forcing you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederico Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, thehowler said: Car crash interview for Banks, thought he was going to walk at one point. Nothing cleared up, natch. Time he showed his full accounts to the NCA, should they decide to proceed. Well duh, that's what is going to happen. Marr was atrocious this morning, one useful question to the German ambassador that was not answered and then just ranting at Banks and repeating the same question. I don't know what is the truth about the money, but the nca will hopefully find out, lets all hope its not more waste of tax payers money. Brexit has shown a real nastiness in the UK , mostly from those who claim to be caring liberals. The comment at the end was a good description of the state of things and its a sad state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Don't have any, no one is forcing you. One poster here seemed to be suggesting that one should be "forced to leave their home to go into a care home if they don't want to......" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, rollover said: What do you think about Arron Banks interview with Andrew Marr? A waste of everybody's time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, frederico said: Marr was atrocious this morning, one useful question to the German ambassador that was not answered and then just ranting at Banks and repeating the same question. Agree, a different approach might have yielded more info. But he was desperate to go in hard to appease the remain no-platform lobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, rollover said: What do you think about Arron Banks interview with Andrew Marr? Nothing cleared up. Attempted a bit of ‘populist’ smearing to buttress responses. Even came up with the ‘snake in the grass’ line. Similar kind of ‘act’ as for the MPs. Maybe seemed a bit more ruffled this time. Marr simply tried to clearly establish where the money came from. It’s bit of a worry - though not unexpected - that wasn’t possible. Confusing interview. Seemed to unravel after alternately repeatedly stating money came from ‘a’ UK company/Rock Services...then suddenly said Rock Services was a group of companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 It was Marr that quoted the snake in grass line, perhaps playing into Banks' hands? The whole Rock Services thing is contentious, as Banks is saying it represents several companies, some at lease profitable, he claims. I don't think the NCA will accept that as proof that the donation was UK-sourced, so he'll have to provide the accounts for said profitable companies. The unleashed demons line was interesting. Not least when you look at the journo vs journo comments this morning. I have no idea if Cadwalladr has reasonable evidence against Banks et al or not, but her tweets today are astonishing. All the players in this row seem so personally invested and upset - how can they remain objective and impartial, and they write the news. Brexit is ruinous in all kinds of ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, pig said: Nothing cleared up. Attempted a bit of ‘populist’ smearing to buttress responses. Even came up with the ‘snake in the grass’ line. Similar kind of ‘act’ as for the MPs. Maybe seemed a bit more ruffled this time. Marr simply tried to clearly establish where the money came from. It’s bit of a worry - though not unexpected - that wasn’t possible. Confusing interview. Seemed to unravel after alternately repeatedly stating money came from ‘a’ UK company/Rock Services...then suddenly said Rock Services was a group of companies. I think, the electoral commission is simply not fit to investigate such a complex company/companies structure. Not to move the case to the NCA sooner, was just delaying the inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, rollover said: I think, the electoral commission is simply not fit to investigate such a complex company/companies structure. Not to move the case to the NCA sooner, was just delaying the inevitable. In any case, if he had been given a bung by the Russians, they wouldn't put it into the company that donated to Leave EU. There probably wouldn't be a direct link between the money they gave him and the money Banks donated at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simvastatin Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: In any case, if he had been given a bung by the Russians, they wouldn't put it into the company that donated to Leave EU. There probably wouldn't be a direct link between the money they gave him and the money Banks donated at all. This was not just the Russians, the EU was also a threat to the US and China and the Middle East Who all had a vested interest in removing the next Superpower the biggest threat to the US$ is the Euro not the Rouble or the Yuan ....and as these are all state actors not idiots they will find no evidence Edited November 4, 2018 by prozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Dave Beans said: 6 hours ago, winkie said: About time, thank goodness for that....Mrs May has negotiated a good deal.....are we nearly there now?? From the looks of it, The Times story is pretty much rot... Aye, looks to be the same deal that was deemed too risky to put to Cabinet/vote last month. All-UK wide CU is nothing new but is being presented as a breakthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Voluntary alignment will still mean a hard border Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, thehowler said: It was Marr that quoted the snake in grass line, perhaps playing into Banks' hands? The whole Rock Services thing is contentious, as Banks is saying it represents several companies, some at lease profitable, he claims. I don't think the NCA will accept that as proof that the donation was UK-sourced, so he'll have to provide the accounts for said profitable companies. The unleashed demons line was interesting. Not least when you look at the journo vs journo comments this morning. I have no idea if Cadwalladr has reasonable evidence against Banks et al or not, but her tweets today are astonishing. All the players in this row seem so personally invested and upset - how can they remain objective and impartial, and they write the news. Brexit is ruinous in all kinds of ways. Yes I think you have a point about the snake in the grass. Its complicated by the fact that its all been playing out on social media as well - the problem is to try to keep the eye on the ball and be wary when distractions are thrown up. For example you quoted Andrew Neil slagging off Caroline Lucas as being unfit to govern a free press , but then theres a lot of pot and kettle, political antagonism plus this from a few months ago: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/11/bbc-andrew-neil-media-politics Quote Last month, when Green MP Caroline Lucas tabled an Urgent Question on bullying and harassment in Parliament, Neil excoriated her for not talking about rape in Telford instead. When Lucas responded that the Telford case was “absolutely appalling” and that she backed an urgent public inquiry into the matter, but that didn’t mean MPs shouldn’t get their own House in order, Neil denounced her for making a comparison between “what some middle class women had suffered” and the Telford scandal – one he alone had made. The consequence was an online pile-on. Imagine if a prominent leftwing BBC journalist existed and launched such a baseless out-of-nowhere attack on a rightwing politician? It has got much, much nastier between Cadwalladr and Banks, and I think you get a glimpse from his approach in todays interview how that might have come about. But again this simply risks being a distraction - whatever conclusions might be drawn about his character. Banks has a case to answer, if only for his own benefit. It needs investigating properly, not in the court of public opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederico Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, prozac said: This was not just the Russians, the EU was also a threat to the US and China and the Middle East Who all had a vested interest in removing the next Superpower the biggest threat to the US$ is the Euro not the Rouble or the Yuan ....and as these are all state actors not idiots they will find no evidence Err, not sure if serious. Surely the biggest threat to the euro is the euro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: Voluntary alignment will still mean a hard border Dave - there won’t be a hard border. Junker May and Varadka have all said so. No HB - in any circumstances - even if no deal. There will be no HB. Edited November 4, 2018 by GrizzlyDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: Voluntary alignment will still mean a hard border Frictionless is a bridge too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, pig said: It needs investigating properly, not in the court of public opinion. Agree, court of law and testimony under oath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simvastatin Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 55 minutes ago, frederico said: Err, not sure if serious. Surely the biggest threat to the euro is the euro. Iran and Venezuela and other countries the US try to remove from the financial system all want to move to EURO currency trading The Yuan has never taken off, and I think it will be a lot longer than others think before it is a reserve currency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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