Brendan110_0 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 17 hours ago, kzb said: Where do we get the flour though ?? USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Brendan110_0 said: USA They'll sell to the highest bidder. I'm not saying flour will become totally unavailable, it will be available, but only to those that can afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Maybe we should grow more wheat and less grass and food for animals such as maize. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-wheat-producing-countries.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyh Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 As predicted drove past the local Esso today on the way home from a Wagamama lunch, has jumped from 156.9p ltr last week to 161.2p ltr. I smiled.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, markyh said: As predicted drove past the local Esso today on the way home from a Wagamama lunch, has jumped from 156.9p ltr last week to 161.2p ltr. I smiled.  Pretty glad I swapped my BMW M5 (Av 9mpg, 15 mpg on a run) for an EV, otherwise I would now be paying £100 for around 150 mile range.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Shortages incoming in some areas (apparently). We're still missing HGV drivers and all the rest. Hopefully just a blip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, byron78 said: Shortages incoming in some areas (apparently). We're still missing HGV drivers and all the rest. Hopefully just a blip. They are not missing, they are sitting on roads and in lorry parks on both sides of the Channel waiting for paperwork and cargos to be checked. Far more lorries now needed to move the same amount of goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 27/02/2022 at 01:49, kzb said: I think it's time you ventured out from that wine bar sometimes .  I think should you venture your head from your backside and learn to put a cogent argument together. Until then, enjoy my block list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, msi said: I think should you venture your head from your backside and learn to put a cogent argument together. Until then, enjoy my block list It's your loss. I guess you don't like having what you've believed as gospel, is often full of holes. Some people find that disturbing I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) On 26/02/2022 at 17:05, kzb said: I never saw it, but good there are some alternative views being presented on TV. At least there is a debate, unlike the BBC and Channel 4. Listening to those, people get the impression there is no real problem with doing away with vehicle fuels and gas. They don't get to hear what a mountain to climb that is. Quite frankly we do need a strategy to cover our energy needs until we can get vastly more nuclear power online. Wind is not on target to do that and UK generation capacity is falling, not increasing rapidly as it needs to. The current policy is totally insufficient, because it does not encourage electricity storage, which will be needed on a huge scale if we are to be dependent on wind and solar. You think that what we need is more deliberate misinformation promoted by the fossil fuel lobby? Every bit of the article was factually inaccurate. NB GB News is part funded by fossil fuel lobbyists, just looked at it now and they are banging on about high electricity prices being caused by renewable subsidies - ignoring that they are currently providing electricity at half the price of gas. Yes and that strategy needs to be demand reduction, a smarter grid and a much more rapid rollout of renewables. Yesterday around 50% of our energy came from renewables that should be +200% then we can start on physical storage until then software can do the job at a fraction of the price.  Edited February 28, 2022 by Confusion of VIs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: Yesterday around 50% of our energy came from renewables No it didn't. 50% of electricity, not energy. The true figure was likely around 50% of 15% or 7-8%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, kzb said: No it didn't. 50% of electricity, not energy. The true figure was likely around 50% of 15% or 7-8%. The report I commented on was about the cost of electricity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said: The report I commented on was about the cost of electricity. Maybe but you repeated the same mistake as someone else above. Equating energy with electricity is misleading. 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said: high electricity prices being caused by renewable subsidies - ignoring that they are currently providing electricity at half the price of gas. The subsidies are certainly not helping things. They are added to our bills and then we pay VAT on them. Now, can you back up your statement that renewables are currently providing electricity at half the price of gas? Bearing in mind that wind power is averaging something over £150/MWh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, kzb said: Maybe but you repeated the same mistake as someone else above. Equating energy with electricity is misleading. The subsidies are certainly not helping things. They are added to our bills and then we pay VAT on them. Now, can you back up your statement that renewables are currently providing electricity at half the price of gas? Bearing in mind that wind power is averaging something over £150/MWh ? I didn't make a mistake, I assumed any readers would have the intelligence to understand that as I was talking about electricity that was the energy I was referring to. the cost or wind power was £65 MWh  In 2021 the cost of onshore wind power was £65 MWh, this year it is forecast to be £46 MWh. Offshore is a bit dearer but still half today's price of gas.  https://www.businesselectricityprices.org.uk/wind-turbine-facts/#:~:text=Below are ten facts and figures about wind,now and forecasted at £46%2FMWh in 2022 (4.6p%2FkWh). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 The price of gas comprises of more than the price of the gas. https://www.fuelseurope.eu/knowledge/refining-in-europe/economics-of-refining/fuel-price-breakdown/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 if only i spent 50k on a EV i could save £15 on a tank of fuel from last year. 🙈  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, longgone said: if only i spent 50k on a EV i could save £15 on a tank of fuel from last year. 🙈  The capital upfront cost of an EV doesn't save money compared to the on going cost of servicing an economical low carbon emission ice vehicle for most people.......unless do plus 15k miles pa or drive an expensive gas guzzler uneconomical car.........EV vehicles don't do high mileage journeys very well, got to find a charger and add extra time for the journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyh Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, longgone said: if only i spent 50k on a EV i could save £15 on a tank of fuel from last year. 🙈  Past the Esso Garage today on the way back from Town, now jumped to 161.9p ltr for Diesel. Still smiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 UK petrol price jumps above £1.50 as oil costs rise The RAC said the average price of petrol jumped to £1.51 a litre on Sunday, while diesel increased to £1.55. The price of both fuels has jumped since Thursday, when Russia began its assault on Ukraine. RAC fuel spokesman Simon Williams said despite oil prices calming, prices at the pump will continue to rise. The cost of filling a 55-litre family car with unleaded petrol is now £83, or £85 for diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Maybe all those Londoners who moved to the country for the big houses and SUVs are going to miss London flats and TFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 More working from home me thinks........stocking up on food to avoid extra journeys and shopping locally or home delivery depending on cost to deliver, sharing cars with friends, walk more, bike more......live better, stay fitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 43 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: I didn't make a mistake, I assumed any readers would have the intelligence to understand that as I was talking about electricity that was the energy I was referring to. the cost or wind power was £65 MWh  It's surprising how many don't realist the difference, and particularly the small proportion of total energy that electricity is. 45 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: n 2021 the cost of onshore wind power was £65 MWh, this year it is forecast to be £46 MWh. Offshore is a bit dearer but still half today's price of gas.  OK granted I was referring to offshore wind, but we have to add the subsidy part of our bill to these costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, winkie said: The price of gas comprises of more than the price of the gas. https://www.fuelseurope.eu/knowledge/refining-in-europe/economics-of-refining/fuel-price-breakdown/ That's gasoline though. Domestic gas price breakdown would be different and the breakdown for gas used in electricity generation different again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Bohnson Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Does the K in KZB stand for Kruger. Â as in Dunning-Kruger effect.. because it would make a LOT of sense if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, winkie said: The capital upfront cost of an EV doesn't save money compared to the on going cost of servicing an economical low carbon emission ice vehicle for most people.......unless do plus 15k miles pa or drive an expensive gas guzzler uneconomical car.........EV vehicles don't do high mileage journeys very well, got to find a charger and add extra time for the journey. yes ev`s make no sense unless you are adamant you have to spend 50k on a car anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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