Lucky Larry Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, FallingAwake said: To be fair, isn't the "it was Putin" crowd also doing the same? They went from 99% certainty to 100% certainty... in one day. But at least it's ok to now talk about self-inflicted false flags. Took us 21 years, but we're getting there 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Casual-observer said: So basically the truth is revealed, you don't personally like Russia and will overlook any unhinged actions by the west to justify that hatred. If that's your position then just say so but don't expect to swallow this insane propaganda that Russia inexplicably decided to blow up it's own infrastructure. It also shows why it's a bad idea to get involved in East European politics, it's an utter clusterf**k It hasn't been established who blew up the pipeline. You can shout as much as you want, and think you are correct, but to say that it's insane that Russia would blow up their own pipeline is a wee bit crackers. They have form in this kind of thing. I don't hate Russians at all, I speak Russian, my son's grandparents are Russian. I don't like their leader and his ideals. Two very different things. The last sentence you wrote however is correct, in my opinion UK the USA and Russian should never have guaranteed their safety in return for the nuclear weapons. If Ukraine still had Nukes Putin wouldn't have invaded, and we wouldn't be where we are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, IMHAL said: My opinion is that Putin did this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Grayphil said: It hasn't been established who blew up the pipeline. You can shout as much as you want, and think you are correct, but to say that it's insane that Russia would blow up their own pipeline is a wee bit crackers. They have form in this kind of thing. I don't hate Russians at all, I speak Russian, my son's grandparents are Russian. I don't like their leader and his ideals. Two very different things. The last sentence you wrote however is correct, in my opinion UK the USA and Russian should never have guaranteed their safety in return for the nuclear weapons. If Ukraine still had Nukes Putin wouldn't have invaded, and we wouldn't be where we are now. Phil What's being alluded to here is ridiculous I'm not saying the Russians are angels but no way is it believable that the Russians would inexplicably target the Donbass with artillery, target a nuclear power station they occupy with artillery and now blow up their own gas infrastructure. I don't care what spin the msm what to put on this, it's something out of a laurel and hardy sketch. Read between the lines, the daily mail are saying they cannot spin this for them.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said: Every leader with nuclear weapons claims they will use them if needed , Truss did it just last month In response to a nuclear attack...made by Putin....not as a threat to being impeded in invading another country....as Putin has done. Putin instigated the nuclear threat...hardly surprising that the west say they would retaliate in find if he did that. Once again you show your balance and partisan nature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, IMHAL said: But he has, it's fact - he has threatened nuclear wat has he not? Few times now. Could you link a source showing such a threat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btd1981 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) Surely no Western nation would stage a false flag attack on these pipelines? The political consequences of that was ever discovered would be a disaster. More likely a Russian attempt to sow discord among Western allies, by trying to pin the blame for their sabotage on a Western power? Edited September 30, 2022 by btd1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Casual-observer said: I see the daily mail are basically tip toeing around the edges and it's basically a message to the western upper echelons that absolutely nobody is buying the theory Russia blew up it's main bargaining chip. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11264547/Who-DID-blow-Nord-Stream-gas-pipelines-Russia-America.html The comments don't buy it and nor do a lot of other people. The US blew up the pipelines, no European politician will say this but it was an act of war against Germany/Europe. NATO just confirmed it's status as an occupying force, you either follow the script or we will blow it all up. I always wondered what it would be like to feel like an Iraqi, now we know Nobody give a shit who blew it it. It's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Peter Hun said: Nobody give a shit who blew it it. It's done. Tell that to a German in winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Locke said: Could you link a source showing such a threat? Have you been asleep? The words are always couched in the normal terms...but the meaning is clear. Check out google. 'Putin threatens nuclear war'. Lots of news outlets reported the many incidents of their threats - also lots of vids showing Lavrov/Putin making those threats. Do you have a different interpretation for those threats? I'd like to hear it. Edited September 30, 2022 by IMHAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Casual-observer said: Tell that to a German in winter Makes no difference, their gas stocks are full and they will have alternatve suppliers. Plus of course, it's gone so it makes no difference who blew it. Its still gone.  Can posters please stop replying to the FSB trolls? It's boring.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peter Hun said: Makes no difference, their gas stocks are full and they will have alternatve suppliers. Plus of course, it's gone so it makes no difference who blew it. Its still gone. Â Can posters please stop replying to the FSB trolls? It's boring. Â Sounds like a plan. They are obviously trying to stoke up ant-west sentiment. Not working and getting it is getting boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Stupid clown brainwashed orcs: Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Casual-observer said: Phil What's being alluded to here is ridiculous I'm not saying the Russians are angels but no way is it believable that the Russians would inexplicably target the Donbass with artillery, target a nuclear power station they occupy with artillery and now blow up their own gas infrastructure. I don't care what spin the msm what to put on this, it's something out of a laurel and hardy sketch. Read between the lines, the daily mail are saying they cannot spin this for them.  I have literally spoken to people in real life, in the real world, who have first hand witnessed the atrocities. Literally have lunch most days with a girl who has had her apartment completely destroyed in Mariupol. By Russian fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, btd1981 said: Surely no Western nation would stage a false flag attack on these pipelines? The political consequences of that was ever discovered would be a disaster. More likely a Russian attempt to sow discord among Western allies, by trying to pin the blame for their sabotage on a Western power? This is what I'm leaning towards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallingAwake Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Grayphil said: Literally have lunch most days with a girl who has had her apartment completely destroyed in Mariupol. By Russian fire Yeah, but for balance, you have to also talk about an American atrocity... Kidding, of course. My sympathies to this person. To see your own home destroyed by war must be horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Casual-observer said: Tell that to a German in winter Congratulations comrade. 🤡🤡🤡🤡  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, FallingAwake said: Yeah, but for balance, you have to also talk about an American atrocity... Kidding, of course. My sympathies to this person. To see your own home destroyed by war must be horrible. I nearly replied to the 9/11 comment from Lucky Larry before . It took all my restraint not to type anything!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, IMHAL said: Do you have a different interpretation for those threats? I'd like to hear it I'd like to see the specific text or speech which you are interpreting as a threat. I don't know what you have seen, so I don't know what to look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 In Lyman terms can anyone tell me what's currently happeneing there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual-observer Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Peter Hun said: Makes no difference, their gas stocks are full and they will have alternatve suppliers. Plus of course, it's gone so it makes no difference who blew it. Its still gone. Â Can posters please stop replying to the FSB trolls? It's boring. Â Except Gazprom are rebuilding it, it's not going anywhere. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Grayphil said: I nearly replied to the 9/11 comment from Lucky Larry before . It took all my restraint not to type anything!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Heartbreaking to watch. You can bet that war criminal and child murderer Putin never meets the families of the fallen: Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debtslave Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 So Russia announces annexing of 4 new regions in Ukraine, how long until we find out their appetite for using tactical nukes/chems ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debtslave Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Heartbreaking to watch. You can bet that war criminal and child murderer Putin never meets the families of the fallen: Â Jesus, that hit me. Fair play to Zelensky, he's an inspiring leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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