Angela Rayner

[Bruce Banner]

100 ultra successful people who succeeded without a college degree - Faith, Business, Knowledge (smartandrelentless.com)

Never having much tolerance for formal education, Honda quit school and opted to be an apprentice auto repairman. His interest in motors culminated in him founding Honda Motor Company.

 

The co-founder of car company Rolls-Royce did not have finish any form of higher education, opting instead for apprenticeship and hands-on experience. In fact, by the time he turned 15, Royce had only completed one year of school.

 

Amadeo Peter Giannini founded the Bank of America never even reached college-level education, dropping out of high school because he realized he could do better in business than in school.

 

Orville and Wilbur Wright managed to invent, build and fly the world’s first successful airplane without formally graduating from high school.

 

Founder of Virgin Records, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Mobile, and writer of a number of books, Branson dropped out of high school at the young age of 16.

 

Finishing only less than half a year of formal schooling, the 16^th U.S. president self-taught himself most of what he needed in order to become a lawyer and ultimately, a president.

 

Dropping out of high school at 15 years old, Einstein discovered that the strict disciplinary enforcement of the educational system at the moment was not for him. Failing the entrance exam to the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology a year later, it took a while for Einstein to discover that his talents lie not in mathematics but in physics.

 

quod erat demonstrandum 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Bruce Banner

[Casual-observer]

1 hour ago, Staffsknot said:

Nope he had an undistinguished career and in fact served as a war correspondant / journo for much of his time in India and entire of his time in Sudan.

Also being in the lancers doesn't exactly prepare you for running naval affairs on a technical level does it?

Christ on a bike West Point is exactly like Sandhurst its not an elite boy scout boarding school. Marshall and most of the top US generals didn't go to West Point either they went through VMI and if memory serves he was academically average - he got a diploma not a degree at the end and then due to his abilities as a leader and organiser he is credited with being vital to success of Allies in WW2.

You would have written him off as he was a bit of a duffer at theology and couldn't get a degree.

History is littered with people you'd have written off on a slip of paper earned in their early life.

Also your Churchill analysis is with 20x20 hindsight - and you lack awareness of the situation as it was - proving to Americans we were serious so they would join any war effort, providing a 2nd front that Russia would acknowledge and not knocking on the door of France half baked and being thrown out. 

Like in WWI most of the commanders and forces were learning on the job in new types of warfare and coordinating multiple arms. Arguably Churchill learned from Gallipoli enough to stop the US just going for it in 1943 and Italian campaign gave them insight into realistic challenges and which commanders were not up to the job.

Now all this is massively off topic but it appears what you learned at uni is the best person for any leadership role is a person educated to your level... that was the commissioning policy in WW1 - land owner becomes officer as only the educated could possibly lead...

You keep focusing on her single NVQ then going on about how other similar people pulled themselves up hard work and gaining experience - she's been a union rep and organiser, run campaigns. She hasn't been sat on her **** since gaining that NVQ so she might just have that lived experience that delivers those things you learned on your degree besides the technical aspects.

As I said you write people off based on their academic status and that is what I take issue with.

Exactly, hence my earlier comments he was found wanting multiple times and arguably could have achieved better results had he had the right level of experience. You seem to flip flop between what your Churchill point actually is. 

He made expensive errors costing many lives on occasions as a leader, perhaps therefore electorates should expect a minimum level of proof their prospective leaders aren't incompetent. 

History IS littered with leaders who were found wanting, so again what is your problem with anyone assessing Raynor as a potential leader based on her current background. She isn't a fledging twenty year old junior, she's over 40 now.

Where's the line in the sand for you where you can claim Churchill's career was unremarkable but people can't judge the same about Raynors? 

I'm not expecting a leader to carbon copy my own education, I'm simply saying it's a minimum expectation in a modern world to show she has the basic competency to pass GCSE level curriculum on the wider context her career outside of school is also pretty unremarkable. 

She married a union rep so it's somewhat coincidental she's risen in the ranks inside a union. 

Churchill ultimately did at least serve in multiple military theatres.....what is Raynor's equivalent experience...I don't see it? 

When I've tried to look it up it's seem very ambiguous what she's actually accomplished.  

 

 

[Casual-observer]

8 hours ago, Timm said:

I'm puzzled too. I expected this thread to get a couple of replies and be sent to off topic.

That's because the resident socialists on the board blow up political threads whenever someone points out obvious flaws in the side of the uni party they naturally gravitate too.

They spit their dummy out and advertise their blocking list like it means anything, it's hilarious. 

For anyone to seriously suggest Raynor is a giant in waiting is comical, she is easily the worst prospective leader for Britain in my lifetime 

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Casual-observer

[vadst43]

11 minutes ago, Casual-observer said:

For anyone to seriously suggest Raynor is a giant in waiting is comical, she is easily the worst prospective leader for Britain in my lifetime 

Assuming there's another election I doubt she'll be a contender at that time

[Innkeeper]

19 minutes ago, vadst43 said:

Assuming there's another election I doubt she'll be a contender at that time

Forget experience, forget education, forget credibility, these things are soooo last century.  As long as you’re ‘passionate’ and ‘believe’ and have a hard luck sob story to peddle, you’re definitely what we need.  At least you are until you are until you get there and prove to be useless.  Then you’ll be a smoking, foul mouthed, world stage embarrassment.

That seems to be how things work now....

[byron78]

45 minutes ago, Casual-observer said:

 of the uni party they naturally gravitate too.

 

 

You're aware we have a record number of Oxbridge grads in this government (70%), yes?

Labour at just under 30%.

But the uni party is very much still us Tories.

https://studee.com/media/mps-and-their-degrees-media/

[byron78]

Incidentally, I still find this remarkable.

6.5% of UK are privately educated. 

My schooling was certainly better than many I see on here, but it was who I schooled with that helped me most.

I suspect that was very much white privilege, and I fully accept that. I think it might help things if more posh white people could see the advantages they've had that others haven't.

 

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by byron78

[vadst43]

23 minutes ago, Innkeeper said:

That seems to be how things work now..

in the US there's AOC and her truth

We've heard  of female Labour hopefuls over the years -Reeve, Nandy come to mind

Male, pale and stale will please the Unions

[Bruce Banner]

9 minutes ago, byron78 said:

Incidentally, I still find this remarkable.

6.5% of UK are privately educated. 

My schooling was certainly better than many I see on here, but it was who I schooled with that helped me most.

I suspect that was very much white privilege, and I fully accept that. I think it might help things if more posh white people could see the advantages they've had that others haven't.

 

 

You have a point there. Even though I chose to leave school on my 15th birthday with no qualifications, my five years at prep school gave me all the basic education I needed to make my way in life.

When they were old enough to understand, we gave our kids the option of a private education but they preferred to stay in the state system, albeit a faith school (Catholic). They all ended up with good degrees and have well paid jobs.

[zugzwang]

47 minutes ago, Innkeeper said:

Forget experience, forget education, forget credibility, these things are soooo last century.  As long as you’re ‘passionate’ and ‘believe’ and have a hard luck sob story to peddle, you’re definitely what we need.  At least you are until you are until you get there and prove to be useless.  Then you’ll be a smoking, foul mouthed, world stage embarrassment.

That seems to be how things work now....

 

Absolutely. Just look at the national debt!

 

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-10369453/1-000-cost-servicing-Britains-national-debt.html?mrn_rm=rta

The cost of servicing Britain's ballooning national debt looks set to hit almost £1,000 per person this year as borrowing costs spiral.

A dramatic borrowing binge has pushed the debt pile up from just £354billion at the turn of the century to an astonishing £2.3trillion today.

And the cost of servicing that debt is soaring as higher borrowing costs and rising inflation add billions to interest payments. 

Experts at audit, tax and advisory company KPMG believe that debt interest payments will total £64billion in 2021-22 – £955 for every person in the UK. That is up from £39billion last year.

It means that Britain is spending more on debt interest payments than on defence, and is a major headache for Chancellor Rishi Sunak as he seeks to repair battered finances and free cash for tax cuts ahead of the next election.

[Grayphil]

12 hours ago, Casual-observer said:

It is when you desire to lead a country and expect people to have confidence in them. 

People seem to be justifying their cr@p lifestyle choices as if it should come with zero cost. 

I'm sincerely sorry your mother cocked up your education for you but that's really not my fault is it. 

 

I was merely pointing out that, after all these years of wonderful education, you still cannot spell.

[Casual-observer]

16 minutes ago, Grayphil said:

I was merely pointing out that, after all these years of wonderful education, you still cannot spell.

Neither can you but then again I never claimed to be Shakespeare. 

I code for a living, I don't write novels for a living. 

In the same breath Raynor thinks she's got what it takes to be leader, I'm within my rights to suggest otherwise. 

It's all subjective as I merely pointed it it's a shame your own mother held you back as you admitted. 

[Insane]

1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said:

When they were old enough to understand, we gave our kids the option of a private education but they preferred to stay in the state system, albeit a faith school (Catholic). They all ended up with good degrees and have well paid jobs.

I would have thought you would have persuaded your children not to go to Uni as your earlier posts lean towards not taking much notice of formal education. 

[Warlord]

Does it matter if its Boris, Raynor, Blair or a frigging frog in a suit /

Nothing changes.

Don't get your hopes up with politicians LOL  > The system is corrupt and wrecked, 

They agree on 99.5% of everything from taxes, central banking, HPI, massive spending and debt, COVID policy, etc etc etc. i..e everything that's important (and wrong)

Edited January 7, 2022 by Warlord

[Bruce Banner]

13 minutes ago, Insane said:

I would have thought you would have persuaded your children not to go to Uni as your earlier posts lean towards not taking much notice of formal education. 

Why on earth would I do that?

We gave them a choice, which is what I was given. My choice worked out for me and theirs for them.

[Insane]

21 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

We gave them a choice, which is what I was given. My choice worked out for me and theirs for them.

So you would agree education is important. 

[Bruce Banner]

37 minutes ago, Insane said:

So you would agree education is important. 

It wasn't to me, but as I said we gave them the choice.

[shlomo]

3 hours ago, byron78 said:

Incidentally, I still find this remarkable.

6.5% of UK are privately educated. 

My schooling was certainly better than many I see on here, but it was who I schooled with that helped me most.

I suspect that was very much white privilege, and I fully accept that. I think it might help things if more posh white people could see the advantages they've had that others haven't.

 

 

Did networking help you as you progressed along life’s highway 

[byron78]

15 minutes ago, shlomo said:

Did networking help you as you progressed along life’s highway 

I wouldn't have got my job. Simple as that. 

Lots of other things though. I think my kids have also benefited hugely from it (private schools). What's worrying is not all of them seem to realise it.

 

[Bruce Banner]

10 minutes ago, byron78 said:

I wouldn't have got my job. Simple as that. 

Lots of other things though. I think my kids have also benefited hugely from it (private schools). What's worrying is not all of them seem to realise it.

 

Did you force them into it (boarding school)? Some thrive on it, others detest it.

[byron78]

2 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Did you force them into it (boarding school)? Some thrive on it, others detest it.

 

 

I've never forced my kids to do anything and they probably wouldn't listen to me even if I tried!

I think that's why I have sympathy for any of the Royal kids now having kids. Just because it's traditional and they suffered through it... (Charles famously hated it).

[PeanutButter]

can’t believe this thread is still going 😆

[shlomo]

15 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

can’t believe this thread is still going 😆

….and not one mention of Brexit or Covid 

[winkie]

33 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Did you force them into it (boarding school)? Some thrive on it, others detest it.

.....anyone going to boarding school accent would be very different....elocution lessons...... mind the same.

Nobody should judge a person by their accent or the school they went to, they are no more worthy than thou.......education does not bring truth, justice or fairness, it often brings ego and entitlement.......not what they say, or how they say it, its what they do and who they look after.

 

 

Themselves.

[shlomo]

49 minutes ago, byron78 said:

I wouldn't have got my job. Simple as that. 

Lots of other things though. I think my kids have also benefited hugely from it (private schools). What's worrying is not all of them seem to realise it.

 

It is difficult to network with the movers and shakers, towards the end of 2019 I managed to get invited to a drinky poo funded by Facebook about them rolling out Libra, I really noticed the level of people in my surroundings and wanted to hang around them, It was held at the Ivy club, I tried to join the Ivy club but they refused to accept me.

What would be the best way to network with the upper level people 

@Markh