Riedquat Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, reddog said: Yeah, but what my point is, is that the vaccine drive is stopping resources being deployed in other parts of the NHS that people from ethnic minorities want to use. Maybe a bit like if a government directed more of it sporting budget towards a yachting program, and less resources to a football program. Health is more about need to use than want to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 40 minutes ago, reddog said: Is this new vaccine drive racist? Serious question, just saw saw pictures of a queue outside St Thomas's hospital in London. London is racially diverse, but the queue was 95% white. Yet the vaccine drive is pulling resources away from people of all races, who need treatment. Not to mention, it might make sense to send some of these vaccines to developing countries, rather than vaccinate 18 year olds. You just have to look at the list of London boroughs with the lowest vaccine take up rates - they are generally the ones with the lowest white British population - Brent, Newham, Ealing and Lambeth. The first three have amongst the largest Asian populations in London - the latter the largest Black African and Afro Caribbean population. And surprise surprise those boroughs with the largest white British population - Richmond, Kingston, Sutton, Bexley, Bromley and Havering - have the fewest unvaxxed. Of course a lot of those queuing may be commuters I suppose - but they don't look entirely representative of the Lambeth borough in which that hospital is located? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-borough-breakdown-unvaccinated-hotspots-covid-b967975.html This of course is going to become more of an issue if they make the vaccinations mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, reddog said: Is this new vaccine drive racist? Serious question, just saw saw pictures of a queue outside St Thomas's hospital in London. London is racially diverse, but the queue was 95% white. Certainly not overtly racist - Everyone over 18 has been invited to come forward for a booster. So why haven’t the non white people come forward - fear/mistrust? language barriers? too busy working in minimum wage jobs that won’t give them a morning off for a jab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, reddog said: Johnson made a strong statement there, I think we need more info though, before going with the headline, for example, what does "with Covid" mean, was the person jabbed, was the person already in hospital with a life threatening condition? Odd they know they tested positive for Omicron but they have no idea of their vaccine status. Isn't it on their NHS records - every vaccination is linked to an NHS number? Complete BS! Or is it what they don't want us to know? GIven the profile of most Covid deaths remain the very elderly - its probably very likely they were double or triple jabbed as almost all over 70s are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, scottbeard said: Certainly not overtly racist - Everyone over 18 has been invited to come forward for a booster. So why haven’t the non white people come forward - fear/mistrust? language barriers? too busy working in minimum wage jobs that won’t give them a morning off for a jab? They have had nearly a year to book a jab - they also do jabs in the evening and weekend. If you haven't had a first jab by now its a choice - unless you have a health exemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, MARTINX9 said: They have had nearly a year to book a jab - they also do jabs in the evening and weekend. If you haven't had a first jab by now its a choice - unless you have a health exemption. Not boosters - they were only extended to over 18s today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, scottbeard said: Not boosters - they were only extended to over 18s today I refer you to my earlier post! You can still get a first or second jab if you want one - who says all those queuing are getting boosters? The Standard estimated a couple of weeks ago that up to 2.7 million Londoners hadn't had even a first jab. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-borough-breakdown-unvaccinated-hotspots-covid-b967975.html Edited December 13, 2021 by MARTINX9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Patfig said: No more lateral flow test kits available to order online, looks like we have run out What a shit show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said: Odd they know they tested positive for Omicron but they have no idea of their vaccine status. Isn't it on their NHS records - every vaccination is linked to an NHS number? Complete BS! Or is it what they don't want us to know? GIven the profile of most Covid deaths remain the very elderly - its probably very likely they were double or triple jabbed as almost all over 70s are? Link to anywhere that says it’s unknown? Its almost certainly known - and irrelevant for one data point. Probably they are vaccinated but it’s being unsaid so as not to put people off getting more jabs. The jabs aren’t perfect but are still useful, but some clowns will go “well the first case was jabbed and it didn’t save him so vaccines are 0% useful” Indeed some clowns on here still seem to take the view “jabs don’t work 100% of the time therefore they have no value at all” which defies all logic to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said: I refer you to my earlier post! You can still get a first or second jab if you want one - who says all those queuing are getting boosters? The Standard estimated a couple of weeks ago that up to 2.7 million Londoners hadn't had even a first jab. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-borough-breakdown-unvaccinated-hotspots-covid-b967975.html As you said yourself anybody who wanted the first or second jabs have a year to do it by now. Therefore it is almost certain that if there is a big queue of people queueing for vaccines they are boosters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Timm said: What a shit show. If it remains an ongoing situation. If it's just a blip, not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, scottbeard said: Link to anywhere that says it’s unknown? Its almost certainly known - and irrelevant for one data point. Probably they are vaccinated but it’s being unsaid so as not to put people off getting more jabs. The jabs aren’t perfect but are still useful, but some clowns will go “well the first case was jabbed and it didn’t save him so vaccines are 0% useful” Indeed some clowns on here still seem to take the view “jabs don’t work 100% of the time therefore they have no value at all” which defies all logic to me So its ok for the PM to not tell us the truth? Except when its about wallpaper and Downing St parties - you know really important things! Doesn't the government also have a wider duty to be honest - and say people who are double jabbed or even boostered can still spread the virus, still catch it and still die from it especially if elderly or in a vulnerable group? Lower risk - but not eliminated. Some people evidently believe that if they are boostered the risk disappears. Isn't that attitude also dangerous and possibly deadly? If you are going to make big deal about every death within 28 days of a positive Omicron test - don't we have a right to know their age and underlying conditions and yes the cause of death (with or of isn't the same thing!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, scottbeard said: Link to anywhere that says it’s unknown? Its in the metro - the vaccine status of the dead person is not known. A posted earlier! Not known to the NHS and the hospital - highly unlikely! It will be on their NHS records won't it? https://metro.co.uk/2021/12/13/covid-uk-first-omicron-death-confirmed-by-boris-johnson-15762750/ Edited December 13, 2021 by MARTINX9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkey Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 This government loves a panic, petrol, turkeys, bog roll, now booster jabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, scottbeard said: Indeed some clowns on here still seem to take the view “jabs don’t work 100% of the time therefore they have no value at all” which defies all logic to me Really? I haven't seen any. I don't think so. Have said that the vulnerable should be jabbed. Perhaps it's you that's indulging in black and white thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 hours ago, Timm said: Fair enough. Are there any Covid deaths yet that can be reliably attributed to Omicron? 3 hours ago, MARTINX9 said: Well apparently its just been announced by the PM that at least one person has died in the UK after testing positive for the Covid omicron variant. You will note the wording - it may have been a terminally ill person who had days to live anyway but we don't know and won't be told. But every 30 year old will be left to think - could it have been me? Why can't we be told anything about this death - we don't need names or locations but ages and underlying conditions would be useful? Did they die of omicron or with it but actually died of something else like cancer or had a heart attack? Boris will of course be busy today as he will have c1,600 more such announcements to make - as around 1,600 people will die today in the UK. Mostly elderly, mostly from heart disease, strokes and cancer or just pure old age. But as the overwhelming majority wont die after a positive omicron test or of omicron no one in the media will care! How many more will die in the next few weeks because of the redirection of resources away from providing health care (e.g. GP face to face visits) for the elderly and vulnerable to jabbing 18 year olds will never be known! Afraid - you should be! Is Boris the only source for this data? It does seem a bit convenient - as of yesterday, South Africa had not identified any Omicron deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Timm said: Is Boris the only source for this data? It does seem a bit convenient - as of yesterday, South Africa had not identified any Omicron deaths. Seemingly so? Boris has confirmed it - so of course it must be true. Isn't it the job of a doctor to confirm this - not a politician? Apparently this means its not a milder variant according to Boris - the South African doctors who have been dealing with this for weeks seemingly are ill informed. Boris announced the news at 11.38am according to the Telegraph - with 'more follows' but there is no more information at all. No one seems to have asked who, where, when, with or of, how old, jabbed or not, any other conditions or health problems. The media just seem to parrot it North Korea style! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/13/boris-johnson-news-conservative-mps-boosters-sajid-javid/ We don't need a name and address - just general info surely given its apparently the first confirmed Omicron death in the entire world according to the Mail. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10303701/Fury-delayed-booster-drive-jab-1MILLION-day.html But Boris's zoom quiz is being investigated according to the Telegraph! Edited December 13, 2021 by MARTINX9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said: Boris has confirmed it - so of course it must be true. Isn't it the job of a doctor to confirm this - not a politician? No one seemed to have asked who, where, when, how old, jabbed or not, any other conditions. The media just seem to parrot it North Korea style! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/13/boris-johnson-news-conservative-mps-boosters-sajid-javid/ I would put money on it not being an unboosted under 50, otherwise we would know the details. That's if it was actually the Omicron that killed them. Or if they even exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blobsy Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Timm said: I would put money on it not being an unboosted under 50, otherwise we would know the details. That's if it was actually the Omicron that killed them. Or if they even exist. Clearly being used as a scare story. Was it a triathlete in their early 30s or a 78yr old with late stage cancer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, clarkey said: This government loves a panic, petrol, turkeys, bog roll, now booster jabs. My kinda party! 🤩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTINX9 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Dogsy said: Clearly being used as a scare story. Was it a triathlete in their early 30s or a 78yr old with late stage cancer? Four hours on and not a single journalist seems to be asking the obvious questions - who, where etc. Surely given its the first person apparently to die in the entire world from or with Omicron you might think they would be curious? But Boris has spoken - and he never lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Dogsy said: Clearly being used as a scare story. Was it a triathlete in their early 30s or a 78yr old with late stage cancer? As an aside: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-government-prime-minister-paddington-angela-rayner-b971644.html "Boris Johnson has said there is a “ready supply” of lateral flow tests (...) The Prime Minister (...) told broadcasters: “They can get those tests, we do have a ready supply of lateral flow tests. If you can’t get one online for any reason, then there are ample supplies in the shops." Well, thats another pair of pants up in flames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hopefully the Daily Mirror is on the case, it will be good if the toad is caught out telling another lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cash Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I think what the government should be doing is only giving out boosters. No point anyone getting their first jab now, it’ll be late spring by the time they’ve had their 2nd and then the necessary booster. Everyone has had ample time and information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hospitals are filling up with a rise in Omicron variant of COVID-19 cases ... Another 1,576 cases of the Omicron variant of COVID-19 have been reported across the UK, taking the total to 4,713. Earlier, Health Secretary Sajid Javid said there were 10 people in hospital in England with Omicron, but warned that cases, hospital admissions and deaths will rise. The UK Health Security Agency said the 10 are spread around the country and their ages range between 18 and 85. The majority have received two doses of a vaccine. SKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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