Freedom of movement with Australia policy

[bear.getting.old]

There are plans for this to happen after brexit within months. Housing in Australia is way overpriced now as most know. Could this be a policy to pump up their market by flooding Ozzieland with Brits?

Edited September 18, 2019 by bear.getting.old

[sfr]

Been talking about this for a while

https://www.canzukinternational.com/category/free-movement

whether it happens.....  that’s another thing

[zugzwang]

Careful. They're not all white, y'know.

[dugsbody]

This can't happen. Brexiters have been saying for years that the MAJOR reason to leave the EU is END freedom of movement and REGAIN CONTROL of our BORDERS.

(Daily Mail headline emphasis my own)

 

[A17]

When did easy immigration between the UK and Australia end?

[hurlerontheditch]

16 hours ago, zugzwang said:

Careful. They're not all white, y'know.

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[hurlerontheditch]

6 hours ago, dugsbody said:

This can't happen. Brexiters have been saying for years that the MAJOR reason to leave the EU is END freedom of movement and REGAIN CONTROL of our BORDERS.

(Daily Mail headline emphasis my own)

 

but they  are white.. 

 

[dugsbody]

15 minutes ago, hurlerontheditch said:

but they  are white.. 

 

Pretty much sums up by view of brexiters. Could we rather get rid of brexiters and keep all the interesting, diverse, multilingual Europeans? 

[gp_]

There are several differences between EU freedom of movement  and what is proposed with Australia:

1. Easier to get out of if we want to later.
2. Its only a proposal being looked at. What we end up with might have restrictions.
3. Brexiteers (both official leave campaign and UKIP) always wanted points based immigration to let in skilled people.
4. It is unlikely we are going to get a large number of unskilled Australian immigrants. We might not even get net immigration if British people move there.
5. It is an advantage they speak the language.

Suggesting Brexiteers want white immigration is ridiculous and just a smear.  A points based system would increase non white immigration. Favouring EU immigration increases white immigration and reduces non-white immigration. SO you think the people who favour the policies that lead to more white vs non-white immigration are not racist, and those who want policies that will increase non-white immigration are.

Brexiteers would love a deal with India, which would be hugely beneficial economically AND increase skilled non-white immigration.

[zugzwang]

25 minutes ago, gp_ said:

There are several differences between EU freedom of movement  and what is proposed with Australia:

1. Easier to get out of if we want to later.
2. Its only a proposal being looked at. What we end up with might have restrictions.
3. Brexiteers (both official leave campaign and UKIP) always wanted points based immigration to let in skilled people.
4. It is unlikely we are going to get a large number of unskilled Australian immigrants. We might not even get net immigration if British people move there.
5. It is an advantage they speak the language.

Suggesting Brexiteers want white immigration is ridiculous and just a smear.  A points based system would increase non white immigration. Favouring EU immigration increases white immigration and reduces non-white immigration. SO you think the people who favour the policies that lead to more white vs non-white immigration are not racist, and those who want policies that will increase non-white immigration are.

Brexiteers would love a deal with India, which would be hugely beneficial economically AND increase skilled non-white immigration.

Relax. It's Justin Trudeau off to another gala.

[Orb]

Time to revisit an old joke....

 

A Brit lands in Australia, and the airport official asks "Have you got a criminal record sir?", and the Brit responds "Oh, I didn't realise that was still a requirement". 

[PeanutButter]

Just what we need, an open door for racists, homophobes and sexists obsessed with BTL property portfolios. 

At least they'll have a good tan and won't believe in climate change though. 

Seriously though, if a typical confident Aussie goes against a shoulder-chipped whinging Brit for a good job I don't fancy the chances of the Brit.  

[Wayward]

Whatever they decide we need housing supply to meet need.  No immigration leading simply to more intense bidding over existing stock.

[MARTINX9]

It isn't actually going to happen but I expect a lot more Brits are attracted to moving to a large country where English is the main language (or one of the two main spoken anguages) and they drive on the correct side of the road than Slovakia or Latvia or Bulgaria. Malta is a bit limiting by comparison.

It also perhaps speaks volumes that despite freedom of movement to Australia ending for Brits in 1973 there are actually more British citizens living in Australia than in the whole of the EU where we have had FOM since 1973 (excluding Ireiand where we will keep the common travel area). Canada, the US, NZ and Australia remain the top choices for Brits to move too - if they had the chance.

As for those lovers of EU FOM - what are you still doing here?  Of course if there were so many well paid job oppprtunities in the other 27 member states why would so many young Europeans be moving here!

Most Brits are happy with 90 days visa free travel for holidays - which we have with over 120 non EU nations anyway!  Thats perhaps why 98 per cent haven't taken advantage of EU freedom of movement in its true sense - and moved abroad to live and work. Few will miss what they never used.

Edited September 20, 2019 by MARTINX9

[Pindar]

8 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

It isn't actually going to happen but I expect a lot more Brits are attracted to moving to a large country where English is the main language (or one of the two main spoken anguages) and they drive on the correct side of the road than Slovakia or Latvia or Bulgaria. Malta is a bit limiting by comparison.

It also perhaps speaks volumes that despite freedom of movement to Australia ending for Brits in 1973 there are actually more British citizens living in Australia than in the whole of the EU where we have had FOM since 1973 (excluding Ireiand where we will keep the common travel area). Canada, the US, NZ and Australia remain the top choices for Brits to move too - if they had the chance.

As for those lovers of EU FOM - what are you still doing here?  Of course if there were so many well paid job oppprtunities in the other 27 member states why would so many young Europeans be moving here!

Most Brits are happy with 90 days visa free travel for holidays - which we have with over 120 non EU nations anyway!  Thats perhaps why 98 per cent haven't taken advantage of EU freedom of movement in its true sense - and moved abroad to live and work. Few will miss what they never used.

It gives metropolitan liberal elites the chance to virtual signal at dinner parties at "how lovely my Polish builders are" or how little their Bulgarian Au Pair requires in terms of employment rights, holiday and sick pay etc. Maintaining a 3 storey fully staffed town house in Islington doesn't come cheap you know.

[bushblairandbrown]

20 hours ago, dugsbody said:

Pretty much sums up by view of brexiters. Could we rather get rid of brexiters and keep all the interesting, diverse, multilingual Europeans? 

Yawn. Can we just get rid of you? There's nothing stopping you from moving somewhere more "interesting". 

[Riedquat]

10 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

Most Brits are happy with 90 days visa free travel for holidays - which we have with over 120 non EU nations anyway!  Thats perhaps why 98 per cent haven't taken advantage of EU freedom of movement in its true sense - and moved abroad to live and work. Few will miss what they never used.

I did spend 15 months working in France about ten years ago. But FoM wasn't necessary for that either (for some of that time I was sharing an office with an Australian, there for about the same length of time).

[HovelinHove]

1 hour ago, Riedquat said:

I did spend 15 months working in France about ten years ago. But FoM wasn't necessary for that either (for some of that time I was sharing an office with an Australian, there for about the same length of time).

Was that a proper job? Unless it’s a transfer with a multinational, getting “local” jobs in France is very hard. Same with many other EU countries...unless you’re prepared to pull pints in a pub. The language, accounting and legal systems of CANZUK have sufficient similarities to insure a certain amount of transferability of skills between countries. It makes more sense than open borders with the EU. Also all CANZUK countries are wealthy, whereas the East and South of Europe is not...this creates problems for local workers who are prepared to do unskilled work but can’t afford the low rates. It also creates a benefits pull. I think CANZUK is a great idea, especially now the libtard Turdeau is on his way out.

[Riedquat]

3 minutes ago, HovelinHove said:

Was that a proper job? Unless it’s a transfer with a multinational, getting “local” jobs in France is very hard.

OK fair point, it was (transfer with a multinational). Still a good opportunity I appreciated though - just because I'm against the current situation FoM has produced doesn't mean I'm against it on principle, just when it results in large unbalanced movements of people. It's a very nice thing to have but you need to put in the work in the first place to make it viable. Having it was either France or Australia, that's fine, because there aren't significant economic pushes in either direction, so all you've got then are opportunities for those that want it, which result in a bit of enrichment either way without creating too much overall change.

[bear.getting.old]

On 19/09/2019 at 08:44, dugsbody said:

This can't happen. Brexiters have been saying for years that the MAJOR reason to leave the EU is END freedom of movement and REGAIN CONTROL of our BORDERS.

(Daily Mail headline emphasis my own)

 

It can happen. Brexiteers only want to end freedom of movement to the EU.  To replace it with a sensible managed immigration policy from all over the world, with an increased quota of people with needed skills from outside the EU, eg Australia or the US, or India, China. That was always the plan and why the result was brexit. People who are for staying in the EU often don't understand this or are misinformed by the hysterical media of the anti brexit media, in particular the BBC, Comcast owned SKY, Channel 4, The Times and Guardian, who insinuate racist overtones, when in reality the racist ones are themselves against their own kind.

Edited September 20, 2019 by bear.getting.old

[Dorkins]

16 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

Of course if there were so many well paid job oppprtunities in the other 27 member states why would so many young Europeans be moving here!

Ah yes, the old "UK is a special immigration magnet" claim, I guess it was inevitable that would pop up.

On 05/07/2019 at 09:18, Dorkins said:

The claim that the UK is a special immigration magnet often comes up on this thread but it isn't supported by the data. 13.2% of the population having been born outside the country is entirely typical for a developed country. Ireland is 15.9%, Austria is 15.2%, Germany is 14.9%, USA is 14.3%, Norway is 13.8%, Belgium is 12.9%, Spain is 12.8%, France is 11.1%, Netherlands is 11.1% etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population

[Dorkins]

7 hours ago, Pindar said:

It gives metropolitan liberal elites the chance to virtual signal at dinner parties at "how lovely my Polish builders are" or how little their Bulgarian Au Pair requires in terms of employment rights, holiday and sick pay etc. Maintaining a 3 storey fully staffed town house in Islington doesn't come cheap you know.

Some of us actually believe in individual liberty. It doesn't always have to be an economic argument.

[Dorkins]

4 hours ago, bear.getting.old said:

It can happen. Brexiteers only want to end freedom of movement to the EU.  To replace it with a sensible managed immigration policy from all over the world, with an increased quota of people with needed skills from outside the EU, eg Australia or the US, or India, China.

I always like the idea (often from people who are normally quite sceptical about big government) that government bureaucrats will do a great job of centrally planning the labour market, correctly identifying labour shortages in the UK economy at high resolution and then granting visas to people with the right skills etc. It's a level of competence the government never displays in anything else so why would they be able to do it for immigration? What makes you think the average civil servant desk jockey with a 2.1 in English Literature is going to be qualified to check over the CVs of nuclear physicists and electronic engineers? It's like putting a corporate HR department in charge of immigration policy, and anybody who has ever dealt with a corporate HR department will know how successful that is likely to be.

[bear.getting.old]

We do have an office of national statistics who usually get it right. Just ask Australia how they identify skills shortages and feed that into their immigration policy. Call it a firewall that blocks everything, until a port that is needed is then opened. The corporate HR department position would not be what you say, it would be open the floodgates so they can employ dirt cheap immigrant labour.

Edited September 20, 2019 by bear.getting.old

[Arpeggio]

On 19/09/2019 at 15:15, gp_ said:

Brexiters would love a deal with India, which would be hugely beneficial economically AND increase skilled non-white immigration.

One of my previous students, an Indian, was an electronics engineer designing circuit boards for technology. He had a bit of hassle staying in the country, certainly more than if he was unskilled from the EU.

Although I shouldn’t have befriended him or enjoyed his sense of humour though because according to some remainers, as a Leave voter I’m a r*cist apparently.

Edited September 20, 2019 by Arpeggio