Fromage Frais Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, mattyboy1973 said: As an outside bet, you never know! Maybe not first time round, but if she loses by a couple of dozen or less then maybe on a second go with a few tweaks? It would probably piss the hard brexiteers off more than anyone but there wouldn't be an awful lot they could do about it once it was through parliament. DUP collapsing government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyboy1973 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Fromage Frais said: DUP collapsing government. Would it help though? They'd need to win a GE with enough support to overturn the bill. Hard to imagine, and the various vox pops I've seen on the news over the past couple of days seem to indicate far more support for this deal amongst the public than within the house, so I don't that the promise to redo would be a massive vote winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, thehowler said: Will take quite a shift this coming week. May doesn't look like she's quitting yet. 3:1 odds on PaddyPower the WA passes in 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHorseWaits-NoMore Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, mattyboy1973 said: ...the news over the past couple of days seem to indicate far more support for this deal amongst the public than within the house,... Which seems to be more of a sympathy endorsement than any real understanding of the so called deal proposed by May (WA blind Brexit, can kick for 2 years or until never never). Quite dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, thehowler said: Fine, publish it all. You've already decided what's in it and as you say, it's only to be used to further undermine the UK govt's Brexit position and won't change your mind in any way at all. Then we can start publishing the govt's confidential legal advice on every issue facing the country, why not, let's get it all out there, full transparency. Your actions will have set the precedent. Any why stop there, let's just put a camera in cabinet. There are so many leaks there's little confidentiality as things stand. If Parliament votes for having a camera in Cabinet then there should be one. The reason Parliament took the unusual step of demanding the advice be published is because they do not trust the government and believe they, and the public, are being lied to about the contents of the advice. Having watched May's performance at PMQ today, were she disingenuously denied that her deal would make people poorer, it's not hard to see why they want to see the actual advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyboy1973 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: Which seems to be more of a sympathy endorsement than any real understanding of the so called deal proposed by May (WA blind Brexit, can kick for 2 years or until never never). Quite dangerous. Hard not to feel some sympathy towards here, tbh. She's in an impossible situation (granted, she chose to be in it), but still.. And you're probably right - public don't know, don't really care any more and just something else on the bloody news. I know I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kirk Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 35 minutes ago, rollover said: ? ? ? What does he told people, when they voted for him twice to become president? I think the yanks have learned their lesson from that. Fool me once, fool me twice, then Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroSumGame Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: 3:1 odds on PaddyPower the WA passes in 2018 Oddschecker giving 5/2 om May's departure in 2018, and evens on a 2019 departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, ZeroSumGame said: Oddschecker giving 5/2 om May's departure in 2018, and evens on a 2019 departure. Not particularly long odds given her precarious position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simvastatin Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Fromage Frais said: I agree I am not strong leave or remain as we are ******ed either way until someone address quality of life rather than amount of debt. I did however take a bit of delight in seeing people on the remain side realise they did not know who they were dealing with. I could argue that any African former colony would be better under our rule again.... try and say that an African and they will tell you to do one. National identity is dignity for many. I see the people's vote and the BBC feel that the positions have shifted to 52% remain....I think most thought remain was a shoehorn before the first vote also. Remain will be sold as subjugation and defeat which is hard to fight with facts. The reason why an African colony would be better under us, is that we control the press and undermine all the black African governments, but we would say nice soothing things if we were in control making the country a nice place to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said: Quite both Poland and Romania are now urging their citizens to come home. The days when they needed FoM are over. Getting a cap or some other form of restriction would be far easier than people make out. Isn't it a good thing if countries are competing for workers because they are free to leave if they want? If governments know they have a captive labour force they can treat them like crap with less consequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromage Frais Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, mattyboy1973 said: Would it help though? They'd need to win a GE with enough support to overturn the bill. Hard to imagine, and the various vox pops I've seen on the news over the past couple of days seem to indicate far more support for this deal amongst the public than within the house, so I don't that the promise to redo would be a massive vote winner. The polls i have seen today have no deal and remain both more popular with the public than this WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca13 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, zugzwang said: I own a decent lump of physical gold for just such eventualities (as everyone should). More to the point, a good hard negative shock to the economy capable of wiping out the bubble of phantom equity in the housing market might actually put the UK on track to a sustainable recovery. Exactly Brexit will save us from the banks and mps.. more of the same will only continue the destruction.. we must leave.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said: You do know that guy was born in 1888 and has been dead for 40 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, macca13 said: Exactly Brexit will save us from the banks and mps.. more of the same will only continue the destruction.. we must leave.. How will your region be affected by Brexit? Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dorkins said: You do know that guy was born in 1888 and has been dead for 40 years? He died in 1979. The quote (if indeed he did make it, there seems to be some debate about this) is from 1952. The European project started in 1957. I don't see your point? Are you trying to dismiss the quote because it was said a long time ago? What difference would that make? You should have just said that you don't believe that he said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, rollover said: How will your region be affected by Brexit? Daily Mail It is in RED! It must be bad! The BOE can barely predict 6 months out, let alone 15 years out. I want to know the prediction of, if we remain but Italy, Poland or Hungary cause the collapse of the EU...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: Sounds pretty juvenile, lets hope people are not so trivial and easily manipulated over such important national decisions. People are unpredictable, we sometimes make decisions based on emotion. Such decisions can often work out well, but in truth, any decision is sometimes better than no decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kirk Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 29 minutes ago, rollover said: How will your region be affected by Brexit? Daily Mail So Cananda's deal sucks the most? Seems hardly worth them putting in the effort for a few %. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, renting til I die said: Are you trying to dismiss the quote because it was said a long time ago? What difference would that make? Like most dead people he's not in a position of political power. I'm not a political scientist but I understand most policies are implemented by living politicians. I can understand why a Frenchman born in 1888 would want to find a way to make it impossible for the nations of Europe to go to war with each other. Product of his time, and times have changed. Edited November 28, 2018 by Dorkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, renting til I die said: It is in RED! It must be bad! The BOE can barely predict 6 months out, let alone 15 years out. I want to know the prediction of, if we remain but Italy, Poland or Hungary cause the collapse of the EU...? People on this thread keep talking about "the collapse of the EU", I'd love to know what you mean by that. Do you mean the institutions of the EU (Commission, Parliament etc) would be disbanded and the EU would cease to exist as an organisation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dorkins said: People on this thread keep talking about "the collapse of the EU", I'd love to know what you mean by that. Do you mean the institutions of the EU (Commission, Parliament etc) would be disbanded and the EU would cease to exist as an organisation? Indeed. I don't know how much you travel the EU or how many EU nationals you know but discontent throughout the EU is growing. I think the EU (Commission) has as much of a long term future as the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, renting til I die said: Indeed. I don't know how much you travel the EU or how many EU nationals you know but discontent throughout the EU is growing. I think the EU (Commission) has as much of a long term future as the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia! I'm surrounded by EU nationals in my daily work and personal life and regularly visit friends and relatives elsewhere in the EU. I detect no upswelling of anti-EU sentiment. But then, most of the people I know are 30something full time workers. No doubt there is a Trump/UKIP/Alternative fur Deutschland/National Rally (France)/Sweden Democrats etc supporting cohort in every EU country but they tend to be male, over 50, lower formal educational qualifications etc so not a group I have many social connections with. I think it's quite likely the EU will outlive the UK. Scotland and NI are heading for the exits and we have English Votes for English Laws at Westminster now. Edited November 28, 2018 by Dorkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said: The reason Parliament took the unusual step of demanding the advice be published is because they do not trust the government and believe they, and the public, are being lied to about the contents of the advice. How are they being lied to if they don't know the contents of the advice? The govt offered to give them a full summary and they rejected it, demanding nothing less than publication of all documents - over 5000 according to the govt - as though this is a full public inquiry. As Dominic Grieve argued, the Attorney General has already committed to giving MPs a full, detailed summary of the advice and the convention is for it to be published after the event - if he was then found to be misleading the house he would face the consequences. In the frenzy of Brexit, the opposition are making demands that will only come back to bite them on the ass in the near future/once they get into govt. I look forward to Labour laying out the legal advice given to their future cabinet on all and any important matters of state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca13 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 hour ago, rollover said: How will your region be affected by Brexit? Daily Mail That’s fantastic news.. This would: lower the population as people return home as jobs dry up. lower house prices lower pollution, less people less pollution raise wages get people saving again as interest rates rise.. without people saving our benefits system will collapse no bailing out the Euro when it collapses ive got a slight issue with theses made up stats.. once we take back our fishing waters and most of France is on fire due to protests.. we would have to increase our boats and exports making the industry thrive.. fishing towns should be full of money.. also what about the £ billions we save in not paying Brussels.. We could educate our own doctors and nurses instead of stealing everyone else’s No deal is fantastic, what an opertunity to fix the country.. where do I sign.. ?? How much of a collapse would this cause to the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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