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1 minute ago, mattyboy1973 said:

As an outside bet, you never know! Maybe not first time round, but if she loses by a couple of dozen or less then maybe on a second go with a few tweaks? It would probably piss the hard brexiteers off more than anyone but there wouldn't be an awful lot they could do about it once it was through parliament.

DUP collapsing government.

 

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1 minute ago, Fromage Frais said:

DUP collapsing government.

  

Would it help though? They'd need to win a GE with enough support to overturn the bill. Hard to imagine, and the various vox pops I've seen on the news over the past couple of days seem to indicate far more support for this deal amongst the public than within the house, so I don't that the promise to redo would be a massive vote winner.

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6 minutes ago, mattyboy1973 said:

...the news over the past couple of days seem to indicate far more support for this deal amongst the public than within the house,...

Which seems to be more of a sympathy endorsement than any real understanding of the so called deal proposed by May (WA blind Brexit, can kick for 2 years or until never never). Quite dangerous.

 

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5 minutes ago, thehowler said:

Fine, publish it all. You've already decided what's in it and as you say, it's only to be used to further undermine the UK govt's Brexit position and won't change your mind in any way at all.

Then we can start publishing the govt's confidential legal advice on every issue facing the country, why not, let's get it all out there, full transparency. Your actions will have set the precedent.

Any why stop there, let's just put a camera in cabinet. There are so many leaks there's little confidentiality as things stand.

If Parliament votes for having a camera in Cabinet then there should be one. 

The reason Parliament took the unusual step of demanding the advice be published is because they do not trust the government and believe they, and the public, are being lied to about the contents of the advice.

Having watched May's performance at PMQ today, were she disingenuously denied that her deal would make people poorer, it's not hard to see why they want to see the actual advice.     

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Just now, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said:

Which seems to be more of a sympathy endorsement than any real understanding of the so called deal proposed by May (WA blind Brexit, can kick for 2 years or until never never). Quite dangerous.

 

Hard not to feel some sympathy towards here, tbh. She's in an impossible situation (granted, she chose to be in it), but still.. And you're probably right - public don't know, don't really care any more and just something else on the bloody news. I know I do.

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1 hour ago, Fromage Frais said:

I agree

I am not strong leave or remain as we are ******ed either way until someone address quality of life rather than amount of debt.

I did however take a bit of delight in seeing people on the remain side realise they did not know who they were dealing with.

I could argue that any African former colony would be better under our rule again.... try and say that an African and they will tell you to do one.

National identity is dignity for many.

I see the people's vote and the BBC feel that the positions have shifted to 52% remain....I think most thought remain was a shoehorn before the first vote also.

Remain will be sold as subjugation and defeat which is hard to fight with facts.

 

The reason why an African colony would be better under us, is that we control the press and undermine all the black African governments, but we would say nice soothing things if we were in control making the country a nice place to live.

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1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Quite both Poland and Romania are now urging their citizens to come home. The days when they needed FoM are over. 

Getting a cap or some other form of restriction would be far easier than people make out. 

 

Isn't it a good thing if countries are competing for workers because they are free to leave if they want? If governments know they have a captive labour force they can treat them like crap with less consequence.

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55 minutes ago, mattyboy1973 said:

Would it help though? They'd need to win a GE with enough support to overturn the bill. Hard to imagine, and the various vox pops I've seen on the news over the past couple of days seem to indicate far more support for this deal amongst the public than within the house, so I don't that the promise to redo would be a massive vote winner.

The polls i have seen today have no deal and remain both more popular with the public than this WA

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2 hours ago, zugzwang said:

I own a decent lump of physical gold for just such eventualities (as everyone should). More to the point, a good hard negative shock to the economy capable of wiping out the bubble of phantom equity in the housing market might actually put the UK on track to a sustainable recovery.

Exactly Brexit will save us from the banks and mps.. more of the same will only continue the destruction.. we must leave.. 

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10 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

You do know that guy was born in 1888 and has been dead for 40 years?

He died in 1979. The quote (if indeed he did make it, there seems to be some debate about this) is from 1952. The European project started in 1957.

I don't see your point? Are you trying to dismiss the quote because it was said a long time ago? What difference would that make? You should have just said that you don't believe that he said it.

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2 hours ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said:

Sounds pretty juvenile, lets hope people are not so trivial and easily manipulated over such important national decisions.

 

People are unpredictable, we sometimes make decisions based on emotion. Such decisions can often work out well, but in truth, any decision is sometimes better than no decision.

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32 minutes ago, renting til I die said:

Are you trying to dismiss the quote because it was said a long time ago? What difference would that make?

Like most dead people he's not in a position of political power. I'm not a political scientist but I understand most policies are implemented by living politicians.

I can understand why a Frenchman born in 1888 would want to find a way to make it impossible for the nations of Europe to go to war with each other. Product of his time, and times have changed.

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23 minutes ago, renting til I die said:

It is in RED! It must be bad!

The BOE can barely predict 6 months out, let alone 15 years out. I want to know the prediction of, if we remain but Italy, Poland or Hungary cause the collapse of the EU...?

People on this thread keep talking about "the collapse of the EU", I'd love to know what you mean by that. Do you mean the institutions of the EU (Commission, Parliament etc) would be disbanded and the EU would cease to exist as an organisation?

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3 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

People on this thread keep talking about "the collapse of the EU", I'd love to know what you mean by that. Do you mean the institutions of the EU (Commission, Parliament etc) would be disbanded and the EU would cease to exist as an organisation? 

Indeed. I don't know how much you travel the EU or how many EU nationals you know but discontent throughout the EU is growing. I think the EU (Commission) has as much of a long term future as the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia!

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16 minutes ago, renting til I die said:

Indeed. I don't know how much you travel the EU or how many EU nationals you know but discontent throughout the EU is growing. I think the EU (Commission) has as much of a long term future as the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia!

I'm surrounded by EU nationals in my daily work and personal life and regularly visit friends and relatives elsewhere in the EU. I detect no upswelling of anti-EU sentiment. But then, most of the people I know are 30something full time workers. No doubt there is a Trump/UKIP/Alternative fur Deutschland/National Rally (France)/Sweden Democrats etc supporting cohort in every EU country but they tend to be male, over 50, lower formal educational qualifications etc so not a group I have many social connections with.

I think it's quite likely the EU will outlive the UK. Scotland and NI are heading for the exits and we have English Votes for English Laws at Westminster now.

 

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2 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The reason Parliament took the unusual step of demanding the advice be published is because they do not trust the government and believe they, and the public, are being lied to about the contents of the advice.

How are they being lied to if they don't know the contents of the advice? The govt offered to give them a full summary and they rejected it, demanding nothing less than publication of all documents - over 5000 according to the govt - as though this is a full public inquiry.

As Dominic Grieve argued, the Attorney General has already committed to giving MPs a full, detailed summary of the advice and the convention is for it to be published after the event - if he was then found to be misleading the house he would face the consequences.

In the frenzy of Brexit, the opposition are making demands that will only come back to bite them on the ass in the near future/once they get into govt.

I look forward to Labour laying out the legal advice given to their future cabinet on all and any important matters of state.

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1 hour ago, rollover said:

How will your region be affected by Brexit? Daily Mail

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That’s fantastic news.. 

This would:

lower the population as people return home as jobs dry up.

lower house prices

lower pollution, less people less pollution 

raise wages

get people saving again as interest rates rise.. without people saving our benefits system will collapse 

no bailing out the Euro when it collapses 

ive got a slight issue with theses made up stats.. once we take back our fishing waters and most of France is on fire due to protests.. we would have to increase our boats and exports making the industry thrive.. fishing towns should be full of money.. 

also what about the £ billions we save in not paying Brussels.. We could educate our own doctors and nurses instead of stealing everyone else’s 

No deal is fantastic, what an opertunity to fix the country.. where do I sign.. ??

How much of a collapse would this cause to the EU? 

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