IMHAL Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, dances with sheeple said: How are you going to pull it off this time, tactical voting again, or just go for the landslide majority? How will it be pulled off? That would be down to the leavers. It all depends on the success or failure of Brexit. Failure will ensure a turn around....people may have voted to leave ...but they did not vote to make their lives worse. Tick tock....no excuses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, dances with sheeple said: How are you going to pull it off this time, tactical voting again, or just go for the landslide majority? Tactical voting, as I've said before, was a last ditch attempt to prevent a Tory majority in what was always a gamed election. When the man in the street starts repeating "Get in there" or whatever the Rejoin slogan is, it will be time for another referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, dances with sheeple said: People were brainwashed...and they didn`t know what they were voting for......? You only had to listen to what the 'man is the street' said when asked why they were voting Tory.... "To get Brexit done" or "To take back control".... It's all about slogans, the shorter the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 5 hours ago, longgone said: But why would your average pleb feel inclined to rejoin when their standard of living is not influenced by the EU? And even if it was do you think the same leaver thickos will suddenly gain brain cells and decide to put two and two together. How will they decide it was leaving that was the cause leavers are thick ??? Finally we agree on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Finally we agree on something. i would still leave though. seriously though all this mumbo jumbo about rejoining in the same breath as not trusting the current flock unable to take any responsibility, how will the plebs ever know leaving the eu was the precipice ? they were too stupid to begin with. uk will never rejoin not in this generation anyway. 30-40 years maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, slawek said: You forget that the majority didn't vote for Brexit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results Lest we forget. Edited January 19, 2020 by Huggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 8 hours ago, longgone said: uk will never rejoin not in this generation anyway. 30-40 years maybe. 30-40 years sounds fair, democratic, and sensible. Fair, as the last vote was that long ago (although the people then definitely did not know what they eventually voted for) Democratic, as something of this magnitude should be allowed to show what was right or wrong with it. I am only one vote though, and so the majority might require something different. Maybe, much much longer Sensible. Do we really want what has happened over the past 3.5 years to happen every 5 years or even 10?!?! Even with BB's Punishment Rejoin (closest integration, with Euro, Schengen, DFK, OWO, A level, etc) then it'll just make it even more expensive and long winded to unwind the nonsense when the result of the vote is (eventually) enacted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, Huggy said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results Lest we forget. Which proves that the majority didn't vote for Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 16 hours ago, Bruce Banner said: The sooner we leave, the sooner the voters will learn what a bad decision they made and we can hold a referendum to rejoin the EU with the closest possible integration, including the Euro and Schengen. I suggested this a month ago and was told I was barking. Welcome to the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, crouch said: I suggested this a month ago and was told I was barking. Welcome to the club. Was that before the GE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Was that before the GE? After. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, crouch said: After. Then I doubt it was me that said you were 'barking'. I've been saying for a long time that the only silver lining, in the dark cloud that is Brexit, is the possibility that joining the Euro and Schengen would be a condition of allowing us back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: Then I doubt it was me that said you were 'barking'. I've been saying for a long time that the only silver lining, in the dark cloud that is Brexit, is the possibility that joining the Euro and Schengen would be a condition of allowing us back in. No it wasn't you; I wasn't suggesting that. I agree with you if you take this stance that the sooner we're out the sooner we fail and the sooner we rejoin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Which proves that the majority didn't vote for Brexit. <sigh> The majority of what total are you looking at? Or is it an issue with the definition of Brexit? Or some other reason that 52% is lower than 48%? Or is this more of an existential question around what can actually be "proved", if anything, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Huggy said: <sigh> The majority of what total are you looking at? Or is it an issue with the definition of Brexit? Or some other reason that 52% is lower than 48%? Or is this more of an existential question around what can actually be "proved", if anything, ever. The majority of the people did not vote to leave the EU in the 2016 Brexit referendum..... Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerboy Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: The majority of the people did not vote to leave the EU in the 2016 Brexit referendum..... Fact. and where is this fact? Its usually your opinion ?♀️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, rockerboy said: and where is this fact? Its usually your opinion ?♀️ https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-leave-remain-52-48-per-cent-voter-turnout-electoral-register-charts-739922 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: The majority of the people did not vote to leave the EU in the 2016 Brexit referendum..... Fact. I'll assume you're referring to the total population of the UK as the denominator then. OK, but the majority didn't vote Remain either, by a larger majority. What now? If the Fact above is important, what should then happen? The logical next step would be that you have to get c35m of the population of the UK, including babies, to enact any referendum decision? Therefore >50% of The Population's vote is needed. Do you agree with this for the Rejoin referendum, if there is one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-leave-remain-52-48-per-cent-voter-turnout-electoral-register-charts-739922 ? I thought as much... I'd feel hard done by if this was a cake and I got that blue slice ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Huggy said: 30-40 years sounds fair, democratic, and sensible. Fair, as the last vote was that long ago (although the people then definitely did not know what they eventually voted for) Democratic, as something of this magnitude should be allowed to show what was right or wrong with it. I am only one vote though, and so the majority might require something different. Maybe, much much longer Sensible. Do we really want what has happened over the past 3.5 years to happen every 5 years or even 10?!?! Even with BB's Punishment Rejoin (closest integration, with Euro, Schengen, DFK, OWO, A level, etc) then it'll just make it even more expensive and long winded to unwind the nonsense when the result of the vote is (eventually) enacted Exactly the procedure is more damaging than the result. At least a generation to wait. Those wolfs keep a howling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-leave-remain-52-48-per-cent-voter-turnout-electoral-register-charts-739922 Lol The grey area dont Give a flying phuck. You should ignore those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Huggy said: ? I thought as much... I'd feel hard done by if this was a cake and I got that blue slice ? You were arguing that the majority voted to leave the EU, which they didn't. Had you argued that the majority who voted in the 2016 referendum voted to leave the EU, I would have agreed with you. Although I would argue that the referendum was gamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Huggy said: ? I thought as much... I'd feel hard done by if this was a cake and I got that blue slice ? Grey cake yuk. And I wouldn’t want the yellow part that Leaver elites had p1ssed on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: You were arguing that the majority voted to leave the EU, which they didn't. Had you argued that the majority who voted in the 2016 referendum voted to leave the EU, I would have agreed with you. Although I would argue that the referendum was gamed. A little picky I think. As was mentioned, the non-voters in the grey sections don't matter, and their opinions count for zero. However, I will hereby announce that in relation to the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, commonly known as the EU referendum, and to the subsequent events leading up to the potential withdrawal on the 31st January 2020, and any further events in relation to this decision, any mention of the word 'majority' by the contributor 'Huggy' on the forum of www.housepricecrash.co.uk refers to the proportion of voters who cast a ballot in said referendum, and who cast a vote that led to a majority, and does not refer to the number of registered voters, population of England, the UK, the EU, the World, nor every human being who has ever lived, is living, and will live. I'd also say it would be difficult to argue the referendum was not gamed by every person in it. Every single one of the lying feckers. While my opinions might fall on the same side as Boris, Nige, Dom, JRM for now, I wouldn't be comfortable lending a tenner to them. Then again, those obstructive Remainer ex-politicians do make me growl at the TV like a dog the rare times I see them now, and so I guess the former list are the best of a bad bunch, for now.... Edited January 19, 2020 by Huggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Huggy said: A little picky I think. As was mentioned, the non-voters in the grey sections don't matter, and their opinions count for zero. However, I will hereby announce that in relation to the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, commonly known as the EU referendum, and to the subsequent events leading up to the potential withdrawal on the 31st January 2020, and any further events in relation to this decision, any mention of the word 'majority' by the contributor 'Huggy' on the forum of www.housepricecrash.co.uk refers to the proportion of voters who cast a ballot in said referendum, and who cast a vote that led to a majority, and does not refer to the number of registered voters, population of England, the UK, the EU, the World, nor every human being who has ever lived, is living, and will live. I'd also say it would be difficult to argue the referendum was not gamed by every person in it. Every single one of the lying feckers. While my opinions might fall on the same side as Boris, Nige, Dom, JRM for now, I wouldn't be comfortable lending a tenner to them. Then again, those obstructive Remainer ex-politicians do make me growl at the TV like a dog the rare times I see them now, and so I guess the former list are the best of a bad bunch, for now.... It's history now, time to accept it and move on. Time to move on and get behind the, soon to be announced, campaign to rejoin the EU, hopefully it will include the Euro and Schengen. Edited January 19, 2020 by Bruce Banner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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