Covid 19. The truth is coming out at last. It cannot be suppressed any longer.

[nightowl]

1 hour ago, daveyj said:

This 100%.

The ones that screamed for more lockdowns and restrictions were the ones at 'working' from home or on furlough.

Where I work we were deemed essential workers and so worked all through the pandemic. Because we are entitled to company sick pay everyone was testing themselves daily. Hence we had a lot of absence. Contrast that to where my OH works where there is no entitlement to company sick pay and they all seemed to be immune to covid 😂

Mrs N noticed that her colleagues all had the pingdemic app and left their phones together in hope of a ping and a paid week off work. Management knew full well this was happening and few were ill or contagious, but couldn't argue against H&S dictats.

[Staffsknot]

Sweden suffered worse than its Nordic neighbours despite similar personal health and healthcare systems.

They banned events of more than 50, made arrests when the traditional end of Winter fests flouted this, barred entry to nursing homes and had issues with absence due to illness despite wfh by majority of pop.

Having Swedish friends kinda cuts through the nonsense - they were sik of the intl media turning up filming idiot hipsters in Malmo doing what they felt like when modt did not.

There's several highly critical reports inside Sweden and calls for an investigation - they had worse mortaity than similar neighbours in both waves per 1 million.

But nobody is faintly interested in the truth its just a re-run of the Covid threads.

So 'll leave you to have your little rants of what you want before you all claim its the state against you again.

[anonguest]

1 hour ago, Staffsknot said:

Sweden suffered worse than its Nordic neighbours despite similar personal health and healthcare systems.

They banned events of more than 50, made arrests when the traditional end of Winter fests flouted this, barred entry to nursing homes and had issues with absence due to illness despite wfh by majority of pop.

Having Swedish friends kinda cuts through the nonsense - they were sik of the intl media turning up filming idiot hipsters in Malmo doing what they felt like when modt did not.

There's several highly critical reports inside Sweden and calls for an investigation - they had worse mortaity than similar neighbours in both waves per 1 million.

But nobody is faintly interested in the truth its just a re-run of the Covid threads.

So 'll leave you to have your little rants of what you want before you all claim its the state against you again.

Really?

Which ever way you look at it their restrictions were a pale imitation of ours, and yet.... just look at the difference between them and us.

Edited June 24, 2023 by anonguest

[Arpeggio]

52 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

Sweden suffered worse than its Nordic neighbours despite similar personal health and healthcare systems.

They banned events of more than 50, made arrests when the traditional end of Winter fests flouted this, barred entry to nursing homes and had issues with absence due to illness despite wfh by majority of pop.

Having Swedish friends kinda cuts through the nonsense - they were sik of the intl media turning up filming idiot hipsters in Malmo doing what they felt like when modt did not.

There's several highly critical reports inside Sweden and calls for an investigation - they had worse mortaity than similar neighbours in both waves per 1 million.

But nobody is faintly interested in the truth its just a re-run of the Covid threads.

Even the BBC gives more context on your over simplistic face value.

May 2020: Coronavirus: What's going wrong in Sweden's care homes?

Some healthcare workers believe an institutional reluctance to admit patients to hospital is costing lives.Lili Sedghi's father, Reza, was not seen by a doctor on the day he died from "coronavirus", at his care home in northern Stockholm.......A nurse told her he'd had a morphine shot in the hours before he passed away, but he was not given oxygen, nor did staff call an ambulance. "No-one was there and he died alone," says Ms Sedghi. "It's so unfair.".......Most of the 3,698 people who have died from "coronavirus" in Sweden so far were over 70, despite the fact that the country said shielding risk groups was its top priority.......Now, increasing numbers of workers are also coming forward to criticise regional healthcare authorities for protocols which they say discourage care home workers from sending residents into hospital, and prevent care home and nursing staff from administering oxygen without a doctor's approval, either as part of acute or palliative (end-of-life) services......."They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic.

So the same protocol as the UK which locked down and was even worse, while Italy worse in Q4.

52 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

of what you want before you all claim its the state against you again.

Especially if you live in a care home and turn sick, die and make the numbers you use to justify your arguments.

52 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

So 'll leave you to have your little rants

Pop back and let us know if you find it.

Goodbye, and good luck not getting killed by one of the asymptomatic children you fear.

[Staffsknot]

26 minutes ago, anonguest said:

Really?

Which ever way you look at it their restrictions were a pale imitation of ours, and yet.... just look at the difference between them and us.

As said leave you to your little fantasies as you don't want to know anything beyond your little world

[Arpeggio]

2 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

As said leave you to your little fantasies as you don't want to know anything beyond your little world

Off you go then!

[nightowl]

5 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

As said leave you to your little fantasies as you don't want to know anything beyond your little world

Best close your eyes then:

 

 

[anonguest]

19 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

As said leave you to your little fantasies as you don't want to know anything beyond your little world

So the graph is completely wrong then is it?!  Wow. What would we do without you?

You'd best let the people at John Hopkins University and WHO know that - since that is where the data for the graph comes from.

Edited June 24, 2023 by anonguest

[nightowl]

2 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

But nobody is faintly interested in the truth its just a re-run of the Covid threads.

Oh, but you are....you cant resist it.

[Arpeggio]

38 minutes ago, nightowl said:

Best close your eyes then:

 

 

1. They use lockdown / "Covid" as argument as to why Sweden was "wrong" in 2020.

2. Then for excess deaths later on, they attribute this to lockdowns and not getting diagnosis / treatment.

[captainb]

2 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

Sweden suffered worse than its Nordic neighbours despite similar personal health and healthcare systems.

They banned events of more than 50, made arrests when the traditional end of Winter fests flouted this, barred entry to nursing homes and had issues with absence due to illness despite wfh by majority of pop.

Having Swedish friends kinda cuts through the nonsense - they were sik of the intl media turning up filming idiot hipsters in Malmo doing what they felt like when modt did not.

There's several highly critical reports inside Sweden and calls for an investigation - they had worse mortaity than similar neighbours in both waves per 1 million.

But nobody is faintly interested in the truth its just a re-run of the Covid threads.

So 'll leave you to have your little rants of what you want before you all claim its the state against you again.

Oh dear.

Look mistakes were made. That's fine. 

You don't have to pretend COVID was the black death forever by comparing limited deaths in both Stockholm and Oslo.

It's odd. 

[Oliver Sutton]

This type of evidence (and there's a lot) is much more compelling than so-called peer-reviewed studies of the "vaccines" as it cannot be gamed by Big Farmer.

e.g. The Ivermectin studies were set up to fail. e.g. Fat people (who are far more likely to die of Covid) given same dosage as normal people, one study actually moved it's target from 14 days to 28 days mid-study cos ivermectin was showing a statistically significant beneficial effect after 14 days. It still showed a beneficial effect after 28 days but not statistically significant. The study still passed the peer review stage.

Long video but well worth watching to find out how hopelessly compromised medical science is nowadays, and science in general.

Hopefully the "pandemic" has opened peoples' eyes to this.

 

Worst "vaccines" ever.

[Oliver Sutton]

Interesting.

 

[The Spaniard]

5 hours ago, Oliver Sutton said:

Interesting.

 

In case anyone is in doubt, that is an official WHO chart. Thanks, Oliver, interesting indeed.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTkyODcyOTEtZjA5YS00ZmI0LWFkZGUtODIxNGI5OTE3YjM0IiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

 

[hotblack42]

Never in the history of morbidities has so much twaddle been posted by people with so few qualifications.

Bitching about the response to Covid-19 is as useful as moaning about Brexit, or complaining about self serving politicians.

Pointless waste of time.

The only productive course now is to use this harsh experience to deal more effectively with the next epidemic.  And that means us all reading, listening, learning & responding well when the time comes, co-operating for the common good. Not obsessing about some crony making money out of masks, or some bone head interns having a party, or taking opportunitistic pots shots at a political party, spokesman, journalist or whatever.

[Will!]

9 minutes ago, hotblack42 said:

The only productive course now is to use this harsh experience to deal more effectively with the next epidemic.  And that means us all reading, listening, learning & responding well when the time comes, co-operating for the common good. Not obsessing about some crony making money out of masks, or some bone head interns having a party, or taking opportunitistic pots shots at a political party, spokesman, journalist or whatever.

I've been involved in some discussions about this at a Trust level, but it's all rather denialist or defeatist.

At a national specialty level (Emergency Medicine and Intensive Care Medicine for me) it's like herding cats.

Also I've noticed a strange phenomenon.  People who "were there", like me, often don't want to think about it and participate in the discussions, which leaves them dominated by those who "weren't there" who often have silly ideas.  I think there's a bit of a schism developing.

[spyguy]

On 24/06/2023 at 09:30, captainb said:

And Tesco and b&q etc

Must be an age thing... All leave B&Q at 60 to teach and Tesco at 55+ to be school administrators

Coof didn't really affect kids.

And as a result, they don't shed the virus.

I'd guess tge most exposed workers outside of tge ICU were supermarket staff on the tills, sat there as loads of OAPs panic buy whiskers.

The school where I guvnored had 30% of its (femaale) teaching staff go off with long covid.

 

 

 

 

[spyguy]

On 24/06/2023 at 19:23, Staffsknot said:

Sweden suffered worse than its Nordic neighbours despite similar personal health and healthcare systems.

They banned events of more than 50, made arrests when the traditional end of Winter fests flouted this, barred entry to nursing homes and had issues with absence due to illness despite wfh by majority of pop.

Having Swedish friends kinda cuts through the nonsense - they were sik of the intl media turning up filming idiot hipsters in Malmo doing what they felt like when modt did not.

There's several highly critical reports inside Sweden and calls for an investigation - they had worse mortaity than similar neighbours in both waves per 1 million.

But nobody is faintly interested in the truth its just a re-run of the Covid threads.

So 'll leave you to have your little rants of what you want before you all claim its the state against you again.

Define 'worse'

Yes the number of OAPs death went up.

But these were mainly in care homes.

In terms of death they need to be counting healthy years lost.

I've not seen any figures but I'd bet tge countries who had 'bad' flu epidemic in recent years did better during coof than countries - such as UK - shich had 'light' flu deaths.

Nothing more than frail OAP brushwood.

 

 

[captainb]

59 minutes ago, hotblack42 said:

Never in the history of morbidities has so much twaddle been posted by people with so few qualifications.

Bitching about the response to Covid-19 is as useful as moaning about Brexit, or complaining about self serving politicians.

Pointless waste of time.

The only productive course now is to use this harsh experience to deal more effectively with the next epidemic.  And that means us all reading, listening, learning & responding well when the time comes, co-operating for the common good. Not obsessing about some crony making money out of masks, or some bone head interns having a party, or taking opportunitistic pots shots at a political party, spokesman, journalist or whatever.

You have failed to spot that because all 400billion of resource was spent on covid 19 with all the croynism, anything new medium term will have to be dealt with one hand tied behind our back.

Which is why cost benefit analysis of lockdown and the accuracy of the models that caused it is key...

You can't do it repeatedly.

Edited June 26, 2023 by captainb

[spyguy]

On 24/06/2023 at 20:58, Arpeggio said:

Even the BBC gives more context on your over simplistic face value.

May 2020: Coronavirus: What's going wrong in Sweden's care homes?

Some healthcare workers believe an institutional reluctance to admit patients to hospital is costing lives.Lili Sedghi's father, Reza, was not seen by a doctor on the day he died from "coronavirus", at his care home in northern Stockholm.......A nurse told her he'd had a morphine shot in the hours before he passed away, but he was not given oxygen, nor did staff call an ambulance. "No-one was there and he died alone," says Ms Sedghi. "It's so unfair.".......Most of the 3,698 people who have died from "coronavirus" in Sweden so far were over 70, despite the fact that the country said shielding risk groups was its top priority.......Now, increasing numbers of workers are also coming forward to criticise regional healthcare authorities for protocols which they say discourage care home workers from sending residents into hospital, and prevent care home and nursing staff from administering oxygen without a doctor's approval, either as part of acute or palliative (end-of-life) services......."They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic.

So the same protocol as the UK which locked down and was even worse, while Italy worse in Q4.

Especially if you live in a care home and turn sick, die and make the numbers you use to justify your arguments.

Pop back and let us know if you find it.

Goodbye, and good luck not getting killed by one of the asymptomatic children you fear.

Noone in a care home has 'many years to live'

Seriously.

Life expectancy in a care home is counted in months. And thats not controlling for the month they go in.

Most care home residents don't live beyond the first Xmas.

 

 

[spyguy]

59 minutes ago, hotblack42 said:

Never in the history of morbidities has so much twaddle been posted by people with so few qualifications.

Bitching about the response to Covid-19 is as useful as moaning about Brexit, or complaining about self serving politicians.

Pointless waste of time.

The only productive course now is to use this harsh experience to deal more effectively with the next epidemic.  And that means us all reading, listening, learning & responding well when the time comes, co-operating for the common good. Not obsessing about some crony making money out of masks, or some bone head interns having a party, or taking opportunitistic pots shots at a political party, spokesman, journalist or whatever.

I wonder if a flu count will become a new thing, like the hot weather warnings?

Pointless.

The people most at risk - Oaps  - will just carry on regardless, coughing on everyone.

 

 

[Arpeggio]

1 hour ago, spyguy said:

Noone in a care home has 'many years to live'

Seriously.

Life expectancy in a care home is counted in months. And thats not controlling for the month they go in.

Most care home residents don't live beyond the first Xmas.

My point was never how long people in care homes have to live, but deaths brought forward to higher peaks with protocols that will be called "They would have died at that point in time anyway".

 

 

10 hours ago, Oliver Sutton said:

Interesting.

 

....and if the same protocols were used on PCR flu you would get the same result.

[Sour Mash]

Looks like there is a very strong correlation between the start of mass vaccinations and a sizeable drop off in births, according to official figures from multiple countries:

 

[Bruce Banner]

Hancock is up in front of the Covid inquiry today.

Live on Sky News from 10:00.

[Bruce Banner]

Sky have cut away but BBC News are showing it live.