msi Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, SickOfWaiting said: For me a right wing govt. is for small state, low taxes, less regulation, low immigration, personal freedom, for people to look after themselves and has the common sense to be self reliant on food and energy, or at least try to be! That's a libertarian fart of a wet dream preached but never delivered by any Government in any country short of Somalia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickOfWaiting Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, msi said: That's a libertarian fart of a wet dream preached but never delivered by any Government in any country short of Somalia. It was my view of what a "right wing" govt is, in reply to someone who claims the current Tory party are "right wing". Do keep up. At certain times the UK has had most of those listed ticked off, now we don't have any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromage Frais Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 On 26/10/2022 at 09:40, dugsbody said: I don't like her views and she comes across as a nasty amoral person, but don't think it's right to do something like that on twitter. Its just horrible really and the folks doing it are often not oil paintings either. I invited relatives to my wedding often miserable often old and possibly a few only came for the food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Sleaze is just part & parcel of government by democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, SickOfWaiting said: All potential govts. are populists, as if you need to be popular to win. They may make claims of being free market capitalists, and for low taxes and small govt, but the reality of what they do is the polar opposite. They are not "right wing". The sentence ive underlined does seem to be frequently spat out by you left wing types, just more braindead drivel as you think you're superior. The UK's capital assets are owned privately owned. This govt's agenda is still privatisation, globalisation and deregulation. That's right wing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 hours ago, steve99 said: And the turd on top of the shyte cake is the corruption of the Tories handouts to cronies, particularly of course during the pandemic (never miss an opportunity, and how else could the UK have spent more than any other country on unproductive schemes?) We spent more, wasted more, decided not to prosecute or go after all the fraudulent COVID loans.......that will never be repaid, underwritten by UK tax payers. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/how-the-uk-government-lost-49bn-to-covid-loan More deaths per capita from Corona virus than other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, SickOfWaiting said: It was my view of what a "right wing" govt is, in reply to someone who claims the current Tory party are "right wing". Do keep up. At certain times the UK has had most of those listed ticked off, now we don't have any. I've heard the same unicorn fart idealism from too many short lived posters to count. Try to keep up and have a grown up discussion on what centre right is instead of spouting the same unicorn far verbiage that the libertarian loons do. The Tories were a home to small c conservatism, but that has died as they party lurches to the hard right. You are splitting hairs and sayng they aren't 'pure' enough for you. Congratulations. YOU are the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, winkie said: ...... underwritten by...... tax payers.. Under threats of physical violence........that's left wing. Of course all government is ...must be... left wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, cnick said: Under threats of physical violence........that's left wing. Of course all government is ...must be... left wing All governments have always bailed out the too big to fail....banks would have been bailed out no matter who was in power at the time.... LTD companies can go bust and walk away from all financial commitments......always have always will. Any person or country can organise to not pay debt interest, or walk away from debt and start again.....no debtor prisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, cnick said: Sleaze is just part & parcel of government by democracy. No. There is a world of difference from adding a few extra biscuits to a committee meeting and padding expenses to sp*nking Billions to your mates, covering up any exposure, then retrospectively 'forgiving' the offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, msi said: No. There is a world of difference from adding a few extra biscuits to a committee meeting and padding expenses to sp*nking Billions to your mates, covering up any exposure, then retrospectively 'forgiving' the offence. Yes ...... sleaze is just part & parcel of government by democracy. Just accept it. Nothing will ever change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, cnick said: Yes ...... sleaze is just part & parcel of government by democracy. Just accept it. Nothing will ever change. Ah the KlEpToCrAtIC dUoPoLy Tory apologist line... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/sleaze Dishonest, immoral.......low moral compass. https://www.vision.org/what-guides-our-moral-compass-410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, cnick said: Under threats of physical violence........that's left wing. Of course all government is ...must be... left wing. You're free to leave at any time. 🖐️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve99 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 2 hours ago, cnick said: Under threats of physical violence........that's left wing. Of course all government is ...must be... left wing. Left wing? like Hitler, Pinochet, Thatcher left wing you mean? or have I missed the sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickOfWaiting Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 hours ago, zugzwang said: The UK's capital assets are owned privately owned. This govt's agenda is still privatisation, globalisation and deregulation. That's right wing! Us "righty's" voted to leave the EU, as its a globalist construct aimed to enrich the corporations and crush the smaller businesses with excessive regulations. Thats why your hero Corbyn was against it all his political career, well up to the point he became leader of the Labour party. The day the banks were bailed out, was the day western capitalism died; we now live in some perverse, crony capitalist shythole, where the people who own assets, have had the value of these assets propped up by money printing and ZIRP, without these they'd have gone bankrupt ... as for our utilities large chunks are owned by governments, just not our own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: You're free to leave at any time. 🖐️ Yes, under threats of physical violence for failing to comply with your laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 38 minutes ago, steve99 said: Left wing? like Hitler, Pinochet, Thatcher left wing you mean? or have I missed the sarcasm? Did they threaten physical violence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 40 minutes ago, SickOfWaiting said: Us "righty's" voted to leave the EU, as its a globalist construct aimed to enrich the corporations and crush the smaller businesses with excessive regulations. Well that's going well isn't it? Perhaps if the right wing stopped preening their brown-shirt uniforms and spent more time in the real world, they would not have been so easily taken in by the charlatans who promised endless sunny uplands. "The increased paperwork and costs for shipping take up a larger percentage of resources for small businesses than for larger ones. Many larger businesses have also moved some of their operations to Northern Ireland, which is still able to follow some EU customs regulations, to avoid these costs. This is an option that is not available to businesses with smaller budgets, fewer resources, and fewer assets." Dec 22 (Reuters) - More than three quarters of British companies have reported that the trade agreement between the European Union and Britain has made it difficult for them to increase sales and grow their business, a British Chambers of Commerce survey showed. The survey of more than 1,168 businesses, which was published on Wednesday, showed significant challenges for UK firms trying to use the Trade and Co-operation Agreement (TCA) that was signed in 2020 to allow tariff-free trade with the European Union once Brexit took effect. Brexit deal a 'nightmare' for small businesses - survey | Reuters https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/brexit-deal-nightmare-small-businesses-survey-2022-12-22/ The impact of Brexit on small businesses | Fuel Cards & Fleet https://www.fuelmate.co.uk/small-business-brexit/ Brexit has made our life more difficult, say two thirds of all small businesses across Britain https://www.cityam.com/brexit-has-made-our-life-more-difficult-say-two-thirds-of-all-small-businesses-across-britain/ Brexit has clobbered smaller businesses https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/04/30/brexit-has-clobbered-smaller-businesses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 2 hours ago, cnick said: Yes, under threats of physical violence for failing to comply with your laws. Our laws. And if they're so onerous to you, why are you still here? There are plenty of places in the world with less govt than the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 The Braverman "speeding" affair is gathering speed nicely... Officials ‘contacted ethics team over Suella Braverman’s speeding fine emails’ (thetimes.co.uk) Braverman is said to have asked civil servants in September last year to help her to avoid a speeding fine and points on her licence by arranging a private driving awareness course. Officials were so concerned about the request that they emailed the propriety and ethics team in the Cabinet Office to ask whether it was appropriate. They were instructed to disregard the request. The emails are at odds with claims from Braverman’s allies, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/suella-braverman-admits-she-forwarded-work-emails-to-personal-phone-six-times_uk_635fb8f0e4b044fae3eb6c78 Not the first time the signs were already there she does things her own way, because thinks can.... .......sure not the only one, others are better at getting away with it, better supported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 15 hours ago, cnick said: Did they threaten physical violence? Hitler, Pinochet, Thatcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msi Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Bob8 said: Hitler, Pinochet, Thatcher? Ah those famous lIbTaRd lEfTiEs according to cnick and 24gray ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 Urgent question in the House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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