Brendan110_0 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 19 hours ago, Si1 said: Retirement can be really bad for many people in exactly this respect. You really do lose it if you stop using it. Or is it just an age thing? I know people working until 70's but they're the few fit people 3/100. So does the work keep you supple, or is people retire due to struggling body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 49 minutes ago, Insane said: This is why a lot of older people will not sell their house and move into a retirement flat. If you surround yourself with older people only you will get older yourself faster. I really have an issue with a lot of older people who get set in their views and can't adapt or use any form of logical or critical thinking. These are the sorts who read, believe and spout Daily Mail propaganda, and vote for the likes of Liz Truss and Brexit.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomadd Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dorkins said: This sounds exactly like my retired late 60something parents. They convinced themselves that walking for a couple of minutes from the car park to [destination] is the most they are physically capable of doing despite neither of them having any kind of serious diagnosed medical condition. It's sad that they've decided they are frail elderly people when they really are not, it's a cage they've built for themselves inside their heads. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Whitlock Sub four hour marathon aged 85. Age is just a number, and all that. Edit: And once you've done the sub four hours at age 85, you can then go on to really challenge yourself: Challenger bank Aldermore says it will now let people carry on holding one of its mortgages until they are 99, and its maximum age for a new borrower applying for a home loan is an impressive 85. Edited August 20, 2022 by Nomadd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: I really have an issue with a lot of older people who get set in their views and can't adapt or use any form of logical or critical thinking. These are the sorts who read, believe and spout Daily Mail propaganda, and vote for the likes of Liz Truss and Brexit. Well maybe keep an open mind as we are all getting older and to a degree we will all get set in our ways. Some get more set than others. I can have an issue with a lot of younger people who have had their minds brainwashed with quite leftie ideas like cancel culture believing one kind of propaganda but decry others with a different opinion describing them as Daily Mail readers. That is why free speech is so important but with younger people it only seems to be free if you have the same mentality and opinion as they do. How many people have you met who voted for Liz Truss ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, Brendan110_0 said: Or is it just an age thing? I know people working until 70's but they're the few fit people 3/100. So does the work keep you supple, or is people retire due to struggling body? Good question. Correlation or causation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Insane said: Well maybe keep an open mind as we are all getting older and to a degree we will all get set in our ways. Some get more set than others. I can have an issue with a lot of younger people who have had their minds brainwashed with quite leftie ideas like cancel culture believing one kind of propaganda but decry others with a different opinion describing them as Daily Mail readers. That is why free speech is so important but with younger people it only seems to be free if you have the same mentality and opinion as they do. How many people have you met who voted for Liz Truss ? Does being set in your ways mean voting for something completely different like Brexit........you want change you got what you voted for.......get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, winkie said: Does being set in your ways mean voting for something completely different like Brexit........you want change you got what you voted for.......get used to it Well of course it doesn't plenty of younger people also voted for Brexit then many more young people who wanted to remain could not be bothered to walk a few hundred yards to a polling station and put one cross next to a box. If anyone needs to shut up and get used to it it is the younger people who have screamed we want another vote but never voted in the first place. They got what they were too lazy to vote against .......... so need to get used to it. Would you not agree ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Insane said: Well of course it doesn't plenty of younger people also voted for Brexit then many more young people who wanted to remain could not be bothered to walk a few hundred yards to a polling station and put one cross next to a box. If anyone needs to shut up and get used to it it is the younger people who have screamed we want another vote but never voted in the first place. They got what they were too lazy to vote against .......... so need to get used to it. Would you not agree ? Not really........opt in or opt out, there is a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Insane said: Well maybe keep an open mind as we are all getting older and to a degree we will all get set in our ways. Some get more set than others. I can have an issue with a lot of younger people who have had their minds brainwashed with quite leftie ideas like cancel culture believing one kind of propaganda but decry others with a different opinion describing them as Daily Mail readers. That is why free speech is so important but with younger people it only seems to be free if you have the same mentality and opinion as they do. How many people have you met who voted for Liz Truss ? Tbf mate the right cancels far more in this country than the left. Always has done. I think you're a bit younger than I am but you'll remember Mary Whitehouse well I'm sure. I think "cancel culture" and "woke" are really just red meat being thrown by sharks to distract if I'm honest. Christ. Henry the VIII cancelled Christianity as everyone knew it... Edited August 20, 2022 by byron78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, winkie said: Not really........opt in or opt out, there is a difference But you asked me if voting for Brexit was people being set in their ways. We all know it was in or out but many people were too lazy to vote. Quite simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Insane said: But you asked me if voting for Brexit was people being set in their ways. We all know it was in or out but many people were too lazy to vote. Quite simple. Many younger people were not living in the place they were registered to vote, Students? Glastonbury was on that day, not interested in news or read newspapers or watch television......there are many reasons why those with a vote do not vote.....if ID is required fewer of a type will vote..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, byron78 said: Tbf mate the right cancels far more in this country than the left. Always has done. I think you're a bit younger than I am but you'll remember Mary Whitehouse well I'm sure. Proof ? Mary Whitehouse was what could be described as a prood by todays standards nothing to do with left or right. Do you think J.K. Rowling deserves the abuse she gets as she won't agree that a person born a man who has or has not had his C--k removed should be able to put on a dress and compete in Woman's sport or Use a Woman's toilet ? That is the kind of cancel culture the left are very involved in. 9 minutes ago, byron78 said: I think "cancel culture" and "woke" are really just red meat being thrown by sharks to distract if I'm honest. I don't , what research into it have you done ? I hear many University's are having to cancel speakers due to the left not liking views that don't fit their narrative. Very worrying trend as I am sure you know how important free speech is. Your throw away remark does not fit the importance of the subject. 12 minutes ago, byron78 said: Christ. Henry the VIII cancelled Christianity as everyone knew it... Yes and look at how many people were slaughtered ! I think what you have said there confirms how important free speech is . Henry the VIII cancelling Christianity with the ongoing results is why it should be looked on as so important that we have to be very careful about cancel culture and not say Ay well cancel anything Henry the VIII cancel Christianity so it is no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, winkie said: Many younger people were not living in the place they were registered to vote, Students? Glastonbury was on that day, not interested in news or read newspapers or watch television......there are many reasons why those with a vote do not vote.....if ID is required fewer of a type will vote.. Don't make excuses for the Lazy (non vote) moaning Remainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, Insane said: Don't make excuses for the Lazy (non vote) moaning Remainers. Now be polite, name calling isn't warranted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotblack42 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Insane said: This is why a lot of older people will not sell their house and move into a retirement flat. If you surround yourself with older people only you will get older yourself faster. No no no. We're not in a retirement complex as such, but there are maybe 50% over 55 in our estate. Their old before their age lethargy and tubbiness (a few are seriously obese) throws my GFA fitness into sharp relief when I run and cycle past them giving a cheery wave. It spurs me on! I never claimed to be a nice person🤣 Related: I am so tempted to remark very loudly when passing a typical Range Rover Sport / X7 / Q7 / Land cruiser driver as they emerge that people "look just as fat" driving a Chelsea Tractor as a mini, but I haven't had the guts yet and my wife would have a fit if she was with me if I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) This is depressing. What the hell is wrong with this country? Help people. Don't punish them when they end up on the lowest rungs of society! (Can't believe that even needs writing tbh). Will put it here as I'd imagine a lot of these poor sanctioned unemployed people are simply over 50s struggling to find suitable full-time work? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/20/boris-johnson-way-to-work-jobs-scheme-failure Edited August 20, 2022 by byron78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Failure seems to be the name of the game.....but it created jobs trying to do it, they tried it cost money but failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cash Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: I really have an issue with a lot of older people who get set in their views and can't adapt or use any form of logical or critical thinking. These are the sorts who read, believe and spout Daily Mail propaganda, and vote for the likes of Liz Truss and Brexit.  Don’t get old, don’t get sick.  So far so good for you? Review your post in 15 years.  My lad was talking earlier about Ringo Starr wanting euthanasia for anyone over 60. Til he was 58! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomadd Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Nick Cash said: My lad was talking earlier about Ringo Starr wanting euthanasia for anyone over 60. I think now is the time to tell your son that he's not in your will - before the "accident" happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Insane said: Don't make excuses for the Lazy (non vote) moaning Remainers. I doubt those more interested in Glastonbury are the moaning remainers anyway. I did ask some younger folk why they didn't vote on the issue (that's makes me feel old now lol) and many simply didn't either understand the issues or it simply meant nothing to them - they didn't correlate many parts of their life with being in or out. A lot of older people in the workforce retiring early though may we'll be to their advantage careerwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Insane said: This is why a lot of older people will not sell their house and move into a retirement flat. If you surround yourself with older people only you will get older yourself faster. After they retired my parents sold the house where they raised their kids on an identikit 1970s suburban estate and moved to a much nicer house on a fairly bespoke small development surrounded by a river, trees etc. It's a beautiful location but they are surrounded by people in their late 70s and 80s, not a worker in sight as far as I can tell. Their elderly neighbours are popping their clogs one by one and I think it's doing something weird to my parents' brains. It also doesn't help that my grandparents barely made it to age 70 in most cases, they were typical working class people from their generation who smoked and drank heavily their whole lives and paid the price in terms of life expectancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Insane said:  How many people have you met who voted for Liz Truss ? Rather a lot!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cash Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Nomadd said: I think now is the time to tell your son that he's not in your will - before the "accident" happens. He already knows. We pass on to grandchildren. As will my parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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