kzb Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Did any of you see that Are You Autistic programme the other week ? Was I the only one sat there aghast ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian284 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, GregBowman said: I know plenty and manage plenty of colleagues sub 30. Many have a very clear and often restricted view of what they access and not FB definitely not widely used it would seem. You could say good idea to Ostracise yourselves from the crowd - for private groups WhatsApp miles better My friends and I use WhatsApp to organise things which is why I haven’t missed Facebook. Based on the conversations I hear at work - I sit near a team of young grads - a lot of their conversations seem to be discussing what they have all posted on instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Holiday photos, Saturday night out, a wedding, a birthday party etc. I can see how someone who was in, or wanted to be in, the clique could feel left out if they didn’t join in. Don’t forget, we’re all looking at this with older eyes so on the whole we are more confident in ourselves and may not feel the need to conform. Also, people under about 25 grew up with social media so it’s part of life for them to use it. For us, it’s something new that started up, we tried it and didn’t like it, so we stopped using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBowman Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, ccc said: Yes I think the same. Ostracised from those who only do anything socially if its online - surely a good thing ? And yes I realise I am typing this onto an online forum. I am on a call re ISO27001 grown up data security this is a very pleasant diversion! More younger people need to break away from the herd surely a good thing as you say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, kzb said: Did any of you see that Are You Autistic programme the other week ? Was I the only one sat there aghast ? What was the jist of it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, ccc said: What was the jist of it ? 750,000 people did online test. 87,000 passed the test to be classified as autistic. Being on the autism spectrum seems to mean you are a bit strange. Like you can concentrate on one thing, that could mean you're autistic. The majority of them women. Many people on the show (mainly female) beaming with satisfaction once they'd got their diagnoses as being on the autism spectrum. You had to see it to believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, kzb said: 750,000 people did online test. 87,000 passed the test to be classified as autistic. Being on the autism spectrum seems to mean you are a bit strange. Like you can concentrate on one thing, that could mean you're autistic. The majority of them women. Many people on the show (mainly female) beaming with satisfaction once they'd got their diagnoses as being on the autism spectrum. You had to see it to believe it. Backs up my 'fashionable' point earlier ? Sounds weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBowman Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, ccc said: What was the jist of it ? People are Autistic seemed a surprise to many people - my view is many people are and perhaps don't have the guts to say so (I know autism is not a choice by the way ) just we can all have elements in us and we can all get stressed when things 'don't go our way' sort of links to this topic. However been in IT since I was 21 so what I find normal having recruited and worked with hundreds of technologists isn't the norm..... I sort of take it for granted that really good people are not going to be mainstream......., I would suspect not hanging out too much on social media is a trait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, kzb said: Did any of you see that Are You Autistic programme the other week ? Was I the only one sat there aghast ? i keep waiting for the show Are you a Misanthrope Schizoid still waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBowman Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, kzb said: 750,000 people did online test. 87,000 passed the test to be classified as autistic. Being on the autism spectrum seems to mean you are a bit strange. Like you can concentrate on one thing, that could mean you're autistic. The majority of them women. Many people on the show (mainly female) beaming with satisfaction once they'd got their diagnoses as being on the autism spectrum. You had to see it to believe it. See my reply who wants mainstream mutts - I read it completely different. rom Elon Musk to Steve Jobs to loads of actors, Donald Trump and so on. Successful people often are on the spectrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GregBowman said: See my reply who wants mainstream mutts - I read it completely different. rom Elon Musk to Steve Jobs to loads of actors, Donald Trump and so on. Successful people often are on the spectrum Well someone did mention this to me last week. It didn't occur to me when I was watching it. The IT industry requires staff that have autistic traits. We then get people beaming with joy on TV when they get a diagnosis of a mental illness. Everyone thinks it's great. Am I the only one that thinks it's not great? Edited April 10, 2018 by kzb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freki Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, GregBowman said: I sort of take it for granted that really good people are not going to be mainstream......., I would suspect not hanging out too much on social media is a trait It was one of my criteria to find my last miss, no addiction to social media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 14 hours ago, chronyx said: Why, was snapchat down? (Sorry can't take HuffPo seriously ) How will they cope when they hit 30+, poor little lambs. You're a working man, you can't tell me their problems don't sound laughable compared to running a business, complying with all regs and requirements, paying all the bills, etc etc. Apparently, snapchat is one of the most detrimental social media apps/platforms with respect to mental health and depression. I suspect that apart from their economic outlook being pretty poor (worse standard of living than parents, not able to buy a house) the erosion of family, community, spirituality and even national identity has contributed massively to a generation of people with literally no sense of real identity. Add to that the pressures of social media to conform to impossible standards and you have a recipe for all kinds of issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freki Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, kzb said: Am I the only one that thinks it's not great? Why do you need to frame it in a great / not great alternative? I've not seen this show, but my assumption as to why people were beaming is because it clicked in their mind. They understood why they were behaving like they were sometimes. I have never been diagnosed, but I know I am on the spectrum. It is very light, and it explains why I can't sometimes find a proper way of interacting with people. Now that you know why you are like that it makes it easier to accept your "errors" and work on them instead of being confrontational about it. My 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, kzb said: We then get people beaming with joy on TV when they get a diagnosis of a mental illness. Autism/Aspergers isn't a mental illness. The brain is simply wired differently - with more connectors than a 'normal' person (hence the reason why some on the spectrum have unusually high ability while some have massive issues - it just depends on how they have adapted to the extra sensory information gained from the additional receptors). Edited April 10, 2018 by Errol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 hours ago, ccc said: Its gone from being taboo to have some sort of 'mental health' issue - to being fashionable to have one. Or more. It can be profitable too. "Oh I get anxious a lot..." Who the ****** doesn't !! Its natural. Stop whinging and get on with it. The point of these studies is to see if there are differences between groups. There are issues - for example comparing between countries, words like happy and satisfied can be difficult to translate exactly. It's not just subjective assessments of well-being which are an indicating young people are doing badly, but also increases in suicides. I doubt that can be attributed to fashion! I do suspect this has more to do with social media making it harder for people to switch off from comparisons with other people, which makes everyone feel bad or worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Freki said: Why do you need to frame it in a great / not great alternative? I've not seen this show, but my assumption as to why people were beaming is because it clicked in their mind. They understood why they were behaving like they were sometimes. I have never been diagnosed, but I know I am on the spectrum. It is very light, and it explains why I can't sometimes find a proper way of interacting with people. Now that you know why you are like that it makes it easier to accept your "errors" and work on them instead of being confrontational about it. My 2 cents But true autism is an illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronyx Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sour Mash said: the erosion of family, community, spirituality and even national identity Argeed - however it goes way beyond this generation. I mentioned this in the deflation thread. It's not just the financial core that has been sucked out of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sour Mash said: Apparently, snapchat is one of the most detrimental social media apps/platforms with respect to mental health and depression. Just found the source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/instagram-ranked-worst-social-network-young-peoples-mental-health/ https://www.rsph.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/status-of-mind.html It's actually the third best in terms of 'positive' sites ..... Instagram is rated the worst in terms of being actually detrimental. Not too sure what the difference is as I've never used either of them but I always thought that they were pretty much the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, kzb said: We then get people beaming with joy on TV when they get a diagnosis of a mental illness. Everyone thinks it's great. Am I the only one that thinks it's not great? Slightly different from autism but for people with rare genetic diseases the day they finally get a diagnosis (sometimes after years or decades of trying) can come as a huge relief. It helps them to make sense of things that have happened to them in life even if there is no treatment available. (Although in the case of autism there are some experimental treatments available e.g. transcranial magnetic stimulation or applied behavioural analysis). I don't really see the problem with autistic people wanting to understand themselves better and a diagnosis could help with that. It's an individual thing though, people who aren't curious don't have to get tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, chronyx said: Argeed - however it goes way beyond this generation. I mentioned this in the deflation thread. It's not just the financial core that has been sucked out of the country. True, but at leat the older generations were brought up with many of those things in place. Just about anyone under 30 has now grown up in an extremely shallow world, devoid of any kind of real social support unless they are lucky enough to have a good family or live in a strong community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Errol said: Autism/Aspergers isn't a mental illness. The brain is simply wired differently - with more connectors than a 'normal' person (hence the reason why some on the spectrum have unusually high ability while some have massive issues - it just depends on how they have adapted to the extra sensory information gained from the additional receptors). Well I thought it was. Recall there was all the bother about whether vaccinations cause autism. If it's not an illness why all the concern about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, kzb said: 750,000 people did online test. 87,000 passed the test to be classified as autistic. Being on the autism spectrum seems to mean you are a bit strange. Like you can concentrate on one thing, that could mean you're autistic. The majority of them women. Many people on the show (mainly female) beaming with satisfaction once they'd got their diagnoses as being on the autism spectrum. You had to see it to believe it. Wow. I thought hardly any women were autistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sour Mash said: True, but at leat the older generations were brought up with many of those things in place. Just about anyone under 30 has now grown up in an extremely shallow world, devoid of any kind of real social support unless they are lucky enough to have a good family or live in a strong community. Good point, prehaps that is why some kids join gangs?........they should be joining a youth or sports club instead, integrating and socialising.....when younger we had more than one to choose from, different days of the week.... there were also plenty of Saturday jobs to choose from.......kids from down the street were always in and out the house..... everyone knew everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kosmin said: Wow. I thought hardly any women were autistic. Well the fact that autism now seems to be desirable seems to be altering that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisgruntledCynic Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Young person here. Just joined the site (thanks mods). I am about to graduate medical school and even amongst my fellow graduates many are despondent even as working as a doctor in the NHS. Some, because the idealism does not pan out IRL. Others, like me, realise that with the recent shitty contracts imposed upon us by the secretary of state for health, the hard work simply will not pay for the lifestyle that our parents had. Mental health is becoming less taboo amongst the young, so it may be more likely that issues that were previously hidden are now coming out and being accepted more. Depression now is the gayness of yesteryear. Happy to answer any question of my generation - young millennial/gen z. Love this site btw and hoping to contribute more to discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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