OnionTerror Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, aheadofthecurve said: All sources seem to point to No Deal. Only thing that can prevent a No Deal now is for the EU to come back to the deal table cap in hand and plead the UK not to go through with it and offer significant concessions. Germany is on the brink of recession -- I suspect it is already deep in recession but has been cooking the books on previous quarters to strengthen the EU's hand -- and cannot handle UK tariffs for its car industry. Other EU nations will undoubtedly follow suit if the UK was to leave; especially Italy and Greece. With the HoC having full and complete confidence in the government the UK are in an incredibly strong position whereas the EU have never been weaker. We look stunningly well prepared.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, localhero1983 said: Had a feeling it just might be you who defends IMHAL on his night off? Not likely. I don't want to scroll through pages of bickering about nothing relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Arpeggio said: You regard criticizing the position from which you speak as a personal attack. How very EU. Oh, FFS stop this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, dances with sheeple said: Funniest outcome would be parliament over-turning the whole thing, then the EU collapsing anyway Well the Brexiteers would get what thay want and save £39bn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aheadofthecurve Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: We look stunningly well prepared.. I personally think we are very well prepared and in a good position to negotiate or just walk away. My spidey senses are tingling though and perhaps you're being merely sarcastic? If so, please do elaborate on your position of where you think our lack of preparedness is most apparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, aheadofthecurve said: I personally think we are very well prepared and in a good position to negotiate or just walk away. My spidey senses are tingling though and perhaps you're being merely sarcastic? If so, please do elaborate on your position of where you think our lack of preparedness is most apparent. Perhaps by planning what we wanted to do before triggering A50 would have helped. But then your getting your beloved no deal, so you don’t really care a jot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cock-eyed octopus Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aheadofthecurve said: I personally think we are very well prepared and in a good position to negotiate or just walk away. My spidey senses are tingling though and perhaps you're being merely sarcastic? If so, please do elaborate on your position of where you think our lack of preparedness is most apparent. Davis didn't have a bunch of papers in front of him, ergo not prepared is the logic I imagine. Edited January 17, 2019 by cock-eyed octopus clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: There is no worked out "no deal". WTO is a framework not a deal. The WTO deal could takes years to negotiate, document and ratify. We don't know whether MP's would allow it because they had nothing to base a decision on. But how many countries will we actually be trading with on WT0? For example 5% of our exports, £19bn, go to Switzerland (our seventh biggest export market) and they have agreed a billateral trade agreement on the same terms as today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyh Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, aheadofthecurve said: No this is my first and only account on this site. That's why you don't know me. Size of wages is nothing to do with whether you profit. Profit is all about whether you pay out less than you take in. What do you have against those evil profiteers anyway? Do you make a profit from your job? Healthcare should be Non Profit, meaning any small profits made are legally reinvested in the company to benefit the customers not pay dividends or bonuses to owners or shareholders, because the endgame of for profit Healthcare is denial of treatment to patients, take their money but find excuses to treat them until they die. Just watch the 2007 film "Sicko". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aheadofthecurve Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: Perhaps by planning what we wanted to do before triggering A50 would have helped. But then your getting your beloved no deal, so you don’t really care a jot. That was already planned and spelt out precisely in government documents provided to the electorate prior to the referendum. Did the newspapers tell you otherwise? How dare they have hoodwinked you, our good friend Mr Dave Beans, in such a devious manner. I for one will not deceive you in such a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ****-eyed octopus said: Davis didn't have a bunch of papers in front of him, ergo not prepared is the logic I imagine. ...he conceded everything to the EU from day one. He doesn’t have a clue. Edited January 17, 2019 by Dave Beans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aheadofthecurve Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, markyh said: Healthcare should be Non Profit, meaning any small profits made are legally reinvested in the company to benefit the customers not pay dividends or bonuses to owners or shareholders, because the endgame of for profit Healthcare is denial of treatment to patients, take their money but find excuses to treat them until they die. Just watch the 2007 film "Sicko". Ah I see so it's okay if it is "small profits". Well why don't you study and train for nearly a decade for "small profits"? As for watching a film to understand your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 41 minutes ago, thehowler said: Pressure mounting on Corbs over the 2nd ref after the VONC flop...the fence is wobbling for both May and Corbs. Gruniad, ref only to this discussion... Jeremy Corbyn could face up to a dozen resignations from the Labour frontbench if the party backs a second referendum as a way out of the Brexit crisis. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/corbyn-could-face-string-of-resignations-if-he-backs-peoples-vote But if he doesn't he is going against +70% of his party membership. He has tried the vote of confidence path and without Liberal support there is no point in trying again and Labour policy is to call for a second referendum. How does he now avoid going down that route? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cock-eyed octopus Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dave Beans said: ...he conceded everything to the EU from day one. He doesn’t have a clue. Really? What makes you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 No one can give a clear answer to what would be the question/choices on a second referendum. Until a clear set of end state choices is agreed for the ballot, there is no point in a second referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: But how many countries will we actually be trading with on WT0? For example 5% of our exports, £19bn, go to Switzerland (our seventh biggest export market) and they have agreed a billateral trade agreement on the same terms as today... I don't know and neither do you, but I do know trying to cut and paste complex legal agreements never works. Switzerland has talked about agreeing a bilateral, but as far as I know nothing has been done to confirm the details or to gain political support for it. With the best will in the world its not going to happen by March. The ticking is fading, if you think otherwise put a spread bet on the value of the £ on March 31 you could make a fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, ****-eyed octopus said: Really? What makes you say that? Who set the sequencing of the talks? The EU. The U.K. didn’t contest it as they had no plan to suggest an alternative sequencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: No one can give a clear answer to what would be the question/choices on a second referendum. Until a clear set of end state choices is agreed for the ballot, there is no point in a second referendum. You comment could equally be applied to the first referendum. Assuming we have learnt from that, there are only two options Remain (Cameron's deal, if the EU agrees) and Leave (the WA). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Good discussion on Norway: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: You comment could equally be applied to the first referendum. Assuming we have learnt from that, there are only two options Remain (Cameron's deal, if the EU agrees) and Leave (the WA). ??? This is the whole problem. The WA is not an end state. There isn’t a final Trade Agreement. —— you could have: Remain / EFTA CETA / EFTA Remain / WTO All of these are clear end states. We need that agreed, before we can move forward. tick tock. Edited January 17, 2019 by GrizzlyDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHorseWaits-NoMore Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, aheadofthecurve said: ...With the HoC having full and complete confidence in the government the UK are in an incredibly strong position whereas the EU have never been weaker. Really? Total denial. Hey, remember me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localhero1983 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, Peter Hun said: Not likely. I don't want to scroll through pages of bickering about nothing relevant. Well don't add to it then? "Peter" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aheadofthecurve Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: Really? Total denial. Hey, remember me? So we're doing memes now huh. Here is a picture of DarkHorseWaits-NoMore posting that last message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said: Really? Total denial. Hey, remember me? Lol I’d forgotten how much I enjoyed this guy ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: ??? This is the whole problem. The WA is not an end state. There isn’t a final Trade Agreement. —— you could have: Remain / EFTA CETA / EFTA Remain / WTO All of these are clear end states. We need that agreed, before we can move forward. tick tock. The WA opens the door to our future outside the EU whatever that might be. Just as Remaining does for inside the EU. NB We cannot have WTO or CETA if we go down the WA route. Be careful what you wish for tick tock, tick tock, tick tock revoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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