Errol Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The betting favourite is Chuka Umunna. He's the one the Tory party fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northerner Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Has he got the substance - he would if you combined him with Eric Pickles ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results Electorate: 46,425,386 - Percentage that voted 66.1% Top parties with over 1m votes. Con 11,334,920 Lab 9,347,326 SNP 1,454,436 Lib Dem 2,415,888 UKIP 3,881,129 Green 1,157,613 So in our wonderful system 18m plus did not vote Tory. About 15.7m did not Vote and you've got Cameron acting like he has a clear majority and mandate from the people. 63.1% of the electorate who voted did not want Cameron. Although whoever governs effectively most of the country don't want them. Our bizarre system allows the Lib Dems to get 8 MP's whilst UKIP who got a higher number of votes get 1 MP. The system clearly isn't democratic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 An imminent casualty already hinted at will be the internet! All-encompassing communications act on the way. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/08/new_government_new_security_powers/ Sadly, I think the next 5 years are going to be very bleak indeed. This would have been the case whoever got in, probably. I forsee massive civil liberty clamp-downs, internet bans/censorship, civil unrest, economic strife etc etc. The Conservatives will lose the next election in the manner of John Major losing to Tony Blair. Labour should win if they get the 'right' candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 63.1% of the electorate who voted did not want Cameron. Jesus Christ - put like that this result looks absolutely shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I think Chuka Umunna will be the next Labour leader. They can sell him as a UK version of Obama (his name even sounds similar) and he is a relatively fresh face, untarnished by nuLabour association. Somehow I don't think the country's ready for an ethnic minority PM. He'll look absolutely fantastic in the opinion polls, but once people get into the polling booth they'll vote for someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Sadly, I think the next 5 years are going to be very bleak indeed. This would have been the case whoever got in, probably. I forsee massive civil liberty clamp-downs, internet bans/censorship, civil unrest, economic strife etc etc. The Conservatives will lose the next election in the manner of John Major losing to Tony Blair. Labour should win if they get the 'right' candidate. The Tories are pretty good with civil liberties. Its Labour and the left you need to worry about on those. As far as Labour winning if the get the right candidate. None appear to be electable. Brown really screwed over the last, current and next generation in making sure he got to be PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Somehow I don't think the country's ready for an ethnic minority PM. He'll look absolutely fantastic in the opinion polls, but once people get into the polling booth they'll vote for someone else. I don't think so. Chukka was rolled out to tick the business friendy and ethnic boxes. I have a feeling - but no knowledge - that his financial affairs will not stand to much scrutiny. And he's a vapid, lightweight. And the Unions will not like him, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The Tories are pretty good with civil liberties. Its Labour and the left you need to worry about on those. As far as Labour winning if the get the right candidate. None appear to be electable. Brown really screwed over the last, current and next generation in making sure he got to be PM. Ahem... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/08/new_government_new_security_powers/ In my experience, they all tend towards cracking down on civil liberties after they've been in power for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Con got 36.9% of the vote and got 50.9% of MPs Lab got 30.4% of the vote and got 35.7% of MPs UK got 12.6% of the vote and got 0.15% of MPs SNP got 4.7% of the vote and got 8.6% of MPs A wonderful electoral system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpewLabour Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 63.1% of the electorate who voted did not want Cameron. Although whoever governs effectively most of the country don't want them. 64.8% of the electorate who voted did not want Blair in 2005 You have to go back to 1931 and Stanley Baldwin to find a PM that the majority actually voted for (thanks Wiki!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mewParadigm Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Jesus Christ - put like that this result looks absolutely shocking. To take this to its logical conclusion: Con got 11.33m votes out of an electorate of 46.43m, so less than 25% of eligible voters voted for them. No doubt there are plenty of similar historical cases, but it's a good reminder of how our system and the public's disposition combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I don't think so. Chukka was rolled out to tick the business friendy and ethnic boxes. I have a feeling - but no knowledge - that his financial affairs will not stand to much scrutiny. And he's a vapid, lightweight. And the Unions will not like him, Chukka Umunna is so obviously a career politician that it would be complete suicide for Labour to elect him. What does he honestly believe in? Social justice? Which explains why he became corporate lawyer. Umunna is emblematic of Labour's core problem -- they're a state in search of a nation. The Labour Party leadership represents the state apparatus, but they've disowned the nation which that state is supposed to serve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Chukka Umunna is so obviously a career politician that it would be complete suicide for Labour to elect him. What does he honestly believe in? Social justice? Don't disagree, but EXACTLY the same thing goes for Camoron. If not more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 You have to go back to 1931 and Stanley Baldwin to find a PM that the majority actually voted for (thanks Wiki!) I suppose you could argue that Cameron was in the same position until yesterday, the combined con-lib vote was over 50% in 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Don't disagree, but EXACTLY the same thing goes for Camoron. If not more so. Except Cameron isn't campaigning on the basis of social justice, now is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John The Pessimist Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Gidiot & Jackboot May reappointed to cabinet already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I'm not sure Cameron was campaigning on any basis, to be honest. That's part of his cunning plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) Con got 36.9% of the vote and got 50.9% of MPs Lab got 30.4% of the vote and got 35.7% of MPs UK got 12.6% of the vote and got 0.15% of MPs SNP got 4.7% of the vote and got 8.6% of MPs A wonderful electoral system. We dont vote for a party or a PM, we vote for representative MPs. At least that way you get the MP who has a majority in your consituency and is accountable to his/her electorate. If you simply gave Farage 50 mps or whatever when he lost in every consituency bar 1 that would be about as undemocratic as I could imagine. So Ed Balls for instance was kicked out by his consituents. Ditto Danny Alexander. Seems quite a reasonable outcome. Edited May 8, 2015 by R K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieAndy Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Some clever mates of mine who used to be quite active in Labour have often talked about this guy who sounds better than the favourites so far...http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/war-westminster-labours-dan-jarvis-future-prime-minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 It's hard to see how UK politics is going to be sustainable. Cameron gets elected with a tiny majority and most of the country voted against him. The conservatives have no mandate for Scotland, it's hard to see how you can govern a country when effectively one part of it has told you to feck off. Labour have successfully managed to make themselves unelectable with the devolution plan which they thought would give them Scotland to rule in perpetually. The Tories now have a real problem if English nationalism raises the English Democrats could start to challenge them along with perhaps UKIP. It's hard to see how the first past the post system will be maintained, Cameron now has to hope his MP's stay fit he could see his majority quickly erode with by-elections. It's a tiny majority and he has no mandate for the country. 5 years of political uncertainty now. Yep, although my prediction that the Tories wouldn`t get their majority was way off, this is even better, it is going to be Thatcher V the Unions/miners on steroids, the battle lines have been drawn. They might even have to put the wall back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Some clever mates of mine who used to be quite active in Labour have often talked about this guy who sounds better than the favourites so far...http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/war-westminster-labours-dan-jarvis-future-prime-minister Yes, although he might be well advised to wait until next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battenberg Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The betting favourite is Chuka Umunna. I've always thought he's been in the running for years. Not sure why, just something about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) WRT Jarvis ok might have a bit of respect for this guy as he's done a proper job. what about frank field??......one of the only truly decent labour mp's not stuck in class war student union dogma. Edited May 8, 2015 by oracle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 How is that going for you? Not that I trust your judgement less than I would a creche run by Jimmy Savile and Cyril Smith but your post had all the hallmarks of a classic HPC contra-indicator. And I trust your judgement less than I would a creche run by Jimmy Savile and Cyril Smith. Well the party I voted for just had a landslide victory, so I`ll get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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