blobloblob Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Latest from the No campaign - an Independent Scotland couldn't deal with the Alien threat from space. Yes those Unionist space aliens like Darth Darling are en evil bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 The SNP just had a 5 minute party election broadcast on BBC Scotland.This was for the upcoming European elections. However 100% of it was about the referendum. That's pretty sneaky IMO - and certainly doesn't give a good impression. Especially from a party that never stops talking about how every other party is not to be trusted.. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelyhead Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Hilarious! If the Express is pro union I think my decision to vote yes is the correct one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I see the source of the headline on the front page on the right is none other than our friend Gordon Brown. http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/gordon-brown-iscotlands-first-annual-pension-bill-would-bee-three-times-inc.1398090557 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelyhead Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I see the source of the headline on the front page on the right is none other than our friend Gordon Brown. http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/gordon-brown-iscotlands-first-annual-pension-bill-would-bee-three-times-inc.1398090557 The irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I was thinking earlier that bar any other consideration, under Game Theory I would have said the best option is clearly to vote Yes to Independence. It is effectively a no lose option. If it works better than being in the Union then all well and good, but if people feel it's not working, the way the No campaign has been fought, it seems that it will be a shoe in to come back as part of the Union. There's the idiocy of the argument put forward by the no campaign. On the one hand we are 'better together', and have much more influence globally, as a union of countries. However, if you choose independence, it would be final, no going back, a done deal. Anyone who left school with a minimum of a single O grade in art should be able to realise that these two statements do not form a circle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) I was thinking earlier that bar any other consideration, under Game Theory I would have said the best option is clearly to vote Yes to Independence. It is effectively a no lose option. If it works better than being in the Union then all well and good, but if people feel it's not working, the way the No campaign has been fought, it seems that it will be a shoe in to come back as part of the Union. Why ? Maybe then the whole union will have to vote. And maybe they will vote no. Or maybe they would say, yes you can come back if you're desperate. On our terms. Anyway, can you really see the politicians letting go once they've got their grubby hands in the trough ? Edit : On a pure game theory perspective they should never have pushed for full independence in the first place, but used their place within the Union to continue to drive beneficial terms. Edited April 24, 2014 by Gigantic Purple Slug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 There's the idiocy of the argument put forward by the no campaign. On the one hand we are 'better together', and have much more influence globally, as a union of countries. However, if you choose independence, it would be final, no going back, a done deal. Anyone who left school with a minimum of a single O grade in art should be able to realise that these two statements do not form a circle! Actually, given that it's roughly a 90/10 split, it's Scotland that disproportionately loses out (at least if you believe that we have any influence to start with). And unless you believe that there will be no divergence - economic, legally, politically, whatever - after independence, then a re-Union would become progressively harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpectrumFX Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Well UK stands for United Kingdom. The 'united' bit means under one parliament, because 'the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland' didn't come into being until the Act of Union between Scotland and England in 1707. Prior to that they had separate parliaments and so were only a union of crowns, which was why it was called Great Britain, which was a made up name harking back to classical times. So if Scotland breaks away completely in a political sense, the remainder can't be called the United Kingdom unless you consider Northern Ireland to be classed as a kingdom - I'm not sure if it is, although it used to be I think. Wales is a principality. So in theory it could be called 'The United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland' which would probably be the easiest solution. But nobody seems to have a clue about any of this, which suggests nobody's doing much actual planning for what will happen after a yes vote... How about "The United Kingdom of Southern Britain and Northern Ireland"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Actually, given that it's roughly a 90/10 split, it's Scotland that disproportionately loses out (at least if you believe that we have any influence to start with). And unless you believe that there will be no divergence - economic, legally, politically, whatever - after independence, then a re-Union would become progressively harder. We haven't influenced an election in over half a century, if you mean that the sum total of Scottish MP's tipped the balance of power in Westminster. The Scottish Office is a joke, witness the Sec. of State for Scotland actively promoting the moving of ship-building jobs from Scotland. We have NO influence. When it comes to economic divergance, I don't think there will be much difference between the two economies. I think Scotland will grow economically, but that the extra wealth will be re-distributed to the economically active.... higher benefits in other words. funnily enough, I have less of a problem with this than I do with redistributing the wealth up the way.... can't think why. We already have a divergant legal system, it causes so few problems that haven't noticed Politically? Well, it's true to say we like our politicians to be left-leaning, and I can't see that changing. Who knows, Scottish labour might shame the UK labour party into re-discovering it's roots! If there's one thing for sure, if there's a pound in it for them, politicians (of all shades!) will find a way. When I was considering this, the biggest issue I thought would be EU membership. But when you consider the length of time it took the GDR to be welcomed in, it wouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 How about "The United Kingdom of Southern Britain and Northern Ireland"? How about the United Kingdom In Perpetuity? Perhaps not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Well, I'd like to drop the 'Kingdom' bit. Makes me feel a little bit ashamed. It's like having 'MUG' stamped on your forehead. How about we get renamed "Empire of the City of London?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 How about we get renamed "Empire of the City of London?" how about shortening it to just "the Empire"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATH Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) How about declaring a Republic of England & Wales and telling all the UK creditors to go ask the Queen or the Scots for their money. Edited April 25, 2014 by DEATH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I'd love to cut this small left buttock of England off from the Westminter influence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sombreroloco Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26933998 If Scotland gets independence the West will crumble, says 'Lord' Robertson. Then come on Scotland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I can't stand the ' We never get who we vote for argument' - its nonsense - the majority of people in this country do not !! And never mind that - labour have been number one in Scotland for decades - and unless I am mistaken - they were in power for a full 13 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The bits I hear on the radio give the impression the referendum will yield a No vote, but that the No campaign is getting uncomfortable. I wonder if the prospect of Tories/UKIP in 2015 after the euro elections might swing it to Yes. Possible? I guess the Yes campaign has reserved its heat for the last couple of months of the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 The last 3 Prime Ministers have been Scots. Cameron, Brown, Blair I'm hoping for Ronnie Corbet next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissy_fit Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Jon Snow on independence vote. This anti-Westminster feeling will continue rolling towards the gates of the M25 to my mind. Just a continuation of the long collapse of the British Empire and as London turns itself into a latter day, degenerate Byzantium. http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/visceral-hatred-westminister-politics/23805 I hadn't realised how much I want the Scots to vote Yes until I read that piece. Come on Scotland! Please make sure you make the new country worth living in(ie not a banksters plutocracy), you'll help everybody in the UK in the long run if you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Jon Snow on independence vote. This anti-Westminster feeling will continue rolling towards the gates of the M25 to my mind. Just a continuation of the long collapse of the British Empire and as London turns itself into a latter day, degenerate Byzantium. http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/visceral-hatred-westminister-politics/23805 Quite surprising from Mr Snow. I did see this presentation on CH4, and he seemed to be pulling on every heartstring he could find to promote the UK. http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/farthest-british-isles-scotland-vote/23767 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Very appropriate, from a YES man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Very appropriate, from a YES man! Thought you might like that...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) I guess the SNP wished the 700th anniversary of Robert the Bruce's victory was even closer to the election date. I'm even seeing surbliminal messages in the alarm clock come ballot box suggesting an SNP vote. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bannock-bairn-proud-scots-delight-son-3787217 Edited June 30, 2014 by crashmonitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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