Saving For a Space Ship Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 On 30/12/2023 at 19:53, shlomo said: WASHINGTON, Dec 29 (Reuters) - Last year, a veteran Silicon Valley software executive took the helm of a startup in his native China, company records show. The startup told potential investors it would sell microchip design software that is mostly available from just a handful of large Western companies. The coveted and highly specialized software tool, known by its initials of OPC, is used in the design of many microchips and is crucial to the design of advanced chips. The production of advanced chips is one of the most contentious technological struggles now dividing the United States and China as they vie for economic and military supremacy. Washington is trying to curb China's access to sensitive microchip design tools. The strategy behind the startup, dubbed SEIDA, shows why that containment effort is so challenging. Before becoming chief executive of SEIDA, Liguo "Recoo" Zhang had lived in the United States long enough to secure permanent residency and purchase a Silicon Valley home, according to people familiar with his career and public records reviewed by Reuters. He was employed by Siemens EDA, a U.S. unit of German industrial giant Siemens AG that dominates the market in China for the very technology SEIDA told investors it planned to sell there. At least three other Chinese-born colleagues from Siemens EDA joined Zhang at SEIDA. In a 2022 business-plan presentation prepared for investors, SEIDA called OPC "indispensable technology" and said it would offer the tool by early 2024. A Chinese version of the product, SEIDA said, would "break through the foreign monopoly," helping China become self-reliant in chip technology. SEIDA's ultimate goal, according to one slide: "Become OPC leader in the world." The pitch attracted powerful Chinese investors. One backer, recent corporate filings reviewed by Reuters show, is an investment arm of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp, or SMIC. The state-backed, Shanghai-based company is China's leading maker of microchips. U.S. companies are restricted by Washington from providing technology to SMIC without a special license because its alleged work with China's military is considered a threat to American national security. SMIC (0981.HK) didn't respond to Reuters' requests for comment about the investment or the U.S. restrictions. On a recent visit to SEIDA's headquarters in Hangzhou, in eastern China, a receptionist told Reuters that Zhang wasn't available for an interview. In an email after the visit, Peilun "Allen" Chang, SEIDA's chief operating officer, said the prospectus reviewed by Reuters is "obsolete." The company's objectives have evolved, he wrote, adding that its backers are primarily "private institutions and individuals." Chang declined to specify how much capital SEIDA has raised or what products it now aims to pursue, saying its business plan remains "under continuous evaluation." Siemens EDA, in a statement, confirmed Zhang's departure and that of three other colleagues. The company said it considers SEIDA "a potential competitor" but declined to comment further. Reuters couldn't determine whether SEIDA has progressed toward selling OPC, short for optical proximity correction. The software is commonly employed for the design of many microchips and is part of a broader set of technologies known as electronic design automation, or EDA. The tools can help design chips that could advance strategic new technologies like artificial intelligence, quantum computing and hypersonic flight. Since SEIDA's launch in October 2021, the U.S. government has increased efforts to curb China's access to EDA tools, developed and sold mostly by American companies. Through export controls and other restrictions, Washington aims to prevent China from obtaining know-how that could allow it to match microchip advances by the United States and its allies, including Taiwan, the self-governing island claimed by China and the world's leading chip manufacturer. In email exchanges with Reuters, Chang said U.S. restrictions were one of the reasons Zhang and his colleagues left Siemens EDA for SEIDA to begin with. The restrictions, he wrote, limited their business opportunities at Siemens EDA, "diminishing scope for career advancement and involvement in key projects." SEIDA adheres to U.S. and Chinese rules, Chang added. Neither SEIDA nor its executives have been accused of wrongdoing. And Reuters has no evidence SEIDA is using knowledge or technology that could be considered proprietary by Siemens EDA or others. Chang said SEIDA has "a stringent vetting process…ensuring no infringement upon the intellectual property of others." Experts in the sector, and people familiar with efforts by Beijing to outmaneuver U.S. curbs on technology transfer, say SEIDA's launch follows a pattern of Chinese companies building upon foreign know-how. Even if the SEIDA executives didn't take property from their previous employer, the technologies involved are so complex that only years of experience with existing purveyors would allow them to offer similar products. "Developing OPC from scratch without access to any existing intellectual property would be challenging in this timeframe, to say the least," said Jan-Peter Kleinhans, director of technology and geopolitics at Stiftung Neue Verantwortung, a Berlin think tank where he has researched China's market for EDA tools. The story of SEIDA, which hasn't been previously reported, illustrates the challenges the West faces in thwarting Chinese development of advanced microchip technology. Despite Washington's efforts to slow China's acquisition of chip technology, Beijing is rushing to foster domestic development, attract expert expatriates to come home and overcome its lag in the sector. A spokesperson for China's foreign ministry said in a statement that the United States "abuses export control measures" and "applies illegal unilateral sanctions and long-arm jurisdiction to Chinese companies." China, the spokesperson added, has adopted laws to protect intellectual property and "complies with internationally accepted rules." Technological advances in China, the statement continued, "are not the result of theft, nor of robbery, but are the result of Chinese people's ingenuity and hard work." American officials have repeatedly said that Chinese efforts to secure Western technology pose one of the biggest long-term threats to the economy and security of the United States. They have expressed particular concern about China's ability to employ advanced chips, and the powerful processors they enable, for its fast-growing military. "At no point have export controls been more central to our national security," Matthew Axelrod, assistant U.S. commerce secretary for export enforcement, said at a Congressional hearing in Washington this month. The Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said such concerns reflect "a Cold War and hegemonic mentality." While export rules may delay Beijing's progress, industry experts say, they are unlikely to stunt China's development of chip technology. "The U.S. is lying across the tracks in an effort to stop the Chinese, but it is just going to become a speed bump," said Michael Bruck, a former general manager in China for chipmaker Intel Corp. "It will push China to be more independent." China's government has made its drive for more sophisticated chips a centerpiece of its strategic plans. Last year, after Washington announced new restrictions, Beijing said the government would spend $143 billion to spur China's domestic chip sector. Through a separate program known as "Thousand Talents," the government offers employment, housing, and other incentives for Chinese experts who return from science and tech jobs abroad. The program, in existence for more than a decade, has been criticized by Washington because it is viewed by some as a mechanism for China to illegally obtain intellectual property from abroad. Last May, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation arrested a California-based software engineer on trade secrets charges. In an FBI affidavit related to the case, investigators said the engineer, Liming Li, had stolen millions of files from two unidentified U.S. employers. One of the employers, the affidavit shows, found a folder on Li's laptop containing documents related to "Thousand Talents." The pilfered company files, the FBI alleged, included unspecified materials related to "national security, nuclear nonproliferation and anti-terrorism." Li has pleaded not guilty. His attorney, Daniel Olmos, declined to comment. Reuters this year has chronicled the race between the West and China for dominance in sectors ranging from killer robots to undersea cables to encryption of digital communications. The struggle for primacy in chipmaking will help determine who triumphs in these technologies and others that will become available once faster processors are developed to enable them. "THE LIMITS OF PHYSICS" Since the 1950s, America's pioneering of chip technology played a major role in the country's creation of the world's largest economy, powerful high-tech and financial sectors, and a thus-far unparalleled military. But China's fast economic growth, and its stated ambition to assert its place as a global power, is now challenging that dominance. In the Cold War, Washington blocked exports of some raw materials that Eastern Bloc countries could have used to develop weaponry. At the time, such measures succeeded because countries behind the Iron Curtain were already economically isolated. Now, though, globalization has made most industries far more interconnected. Semiconductors, an approximately $600 billion a year business, are no exception. From raw materials to design to assembly, chips are a global industry. "The United States is not going to be able to cut the Chinese off like we did the Soviets," said James Andrew Lewis, director of the strategic technologies program at the Center for Strategic & International Studies, or CSIS, a Washington think tank. An ambition both countries share is self-reliance in the manufacture of advanced microchips. Although the United States still leads in many of the technologies needed to design chips, most of the actual printing and assembly happens in Asia. The United States relies heavily on South Korea for memory chips and Taiwan for logic chips. Memory chips store and retrieve information and logic chips process data and execute instructions. Last year, the United States approved nearly $53 billion for "CHIPS for America," a program, administered by the Commerce Department, that offers financial incentives to companies that can increase domestic production. Recipients of the incentives are restricted from sharing sensitive technologies with China and other countries not allied with the United States. Among the challenges for China to create more advanced chips is access to EDA tools, such as the OPC software touted by SEIDA in early marketing. Producing the fastest, most capable chips and circuit boards involves designing and printing them with billions of ever-smaller transistors. To achieve such microscopic connections, EDA helps lay out and verify the design of these circuits and simulate how they'll perform under real-world conditions. But EDA tools require intense processing power. So specialized is the technology that some advances are marketed as scientific breakthroughs. NVIDIA Corp (NVDA.O), the California-based company that is the leading supplier of chips for artificial intelligence, in March said recent advances in OPC technology would help it push the semiconductor industry "to the limits of physics." Despite U.S. export controls, China is making advances. In 2019, the Commerce Department placed Huawei Technologies Co (HWT.UL), the Chinese telecommunications giant, on its list of companies that can't buy U.S. technologies unless the vendor obtains a special license. As with SMIC, blacklisted by the department a year later, the U.S. cited national security concerns. "Our export controls on China are designed to massively slow down technology acquisition," Thea D. Rozman Kendler, assistant commerce secretary for export administration, said at the recent Congressional hearing. Still, Huawei in August introduced a new 5G smartphone with a sophisticated, seven-nanometer chip manufactured by SMIC. The phone, unveiled while U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo was visiting China, was announced to great fanfare. The Commerce Department later said it is investigating whether the two companies relied on restricted U.S. technologies to develop the chip. Huawei declined to comment. could you use the forum '' quotes function on your posts as its a pain scrolling past large chunks of text on the threads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Introducing China's newest carrier F*ck Off, America! China's third aircraft carrier, the Fujian, is nearly complete and could make its maiden voyage soon, experts said on Wednesday, after the warship was briefly featured in a national media report on Tuesday that indicated smooth progress in its mooring tests. "We […] are steadily making progress in mooring tests as planned," Captain Yin Hongxin said on the flight deck of the Fujian, Xinwen Lianbo, the prime time news broadcast of China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Tuesday. In 2024, the goal is to establish combat capabilities as soon as possible and make strides toward achieving the centennial goal of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) in 2027 as scheduled, Yin said. ... Fu Qianshao, a Chinese military aviation expert, told the Global Times that the Fujian is equipped with many new technologies, particularly its electromagnetic catapults system, so it is normal that tests could take longer than the PLA Navy's previous two aircraft carriers, the Liaoning and the Shandong. The tests follow science and putting the carrier into service should not be hurried, Fu said. Nevertheless, many experts reached by the Global Times agreed that the maiden voyage of the Fujian will come soon. Based on the recent catapult tests and the CCTV report, the outfitting work of the Fujian is nearly complete and the mooring tests are approaching the last stages, another Chinese military expert who requested anonymity told the Global Times on Wednesday. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1304729.shtml Edited January 4 by zugzwang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 hours ago, zugzwang said: Introducing China's newest carrier F*ck Off, America! China's third aircraft carrier, the Fujian, is nearly complete and could make its maiden voyage soon, experts said on Wednesday, after the warship was briefly featured in a national media report on Tuesday that indicated smooth progress in its mooring tests. "We […] are steadily making progress in mooring tests as planned," Captain Yin Hongxin said on the flight deck of the Fujian, Xinwen Lianbo, the prime time news broadcast of China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Tuesday. In 2024, the goal is to establish combat capabilities as soon as possible and make strides toward achieving the centennial goal of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) in 2027 as scheduled, Yin said. ... Fu Qianshao, a Chinese military aviation expert, told the Global Times that the Fujian is equipped with many new technologies, particularly its electromagnetic catapults system, so it is normal that tests could take longer than the PLA Navy's previous two aircraft carriers, the Liaoning and the Shandong. The tests follow science and putting the carrier into service should not be hurried, Fu said. Nevertheless, many experts reached by the Global Times agreed that the maiden voyage of the Fujian will come soon. Based on the recent catapult tests and the CCTV report, the outfitting work of the Fujian is nearly complete and the mooring tests are approaching the last stages, another Chinese military expert who requested anonymity told the Global Times on Wednesday. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1304729.shtml I have noticed that both the US and China lie, The US pretends that it has more power than i has, and China hides its strength, these lies come from their culture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Roady Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, zugzwang said: Introducing China's newest carrier F*ck Off, America! China's third aircraft carrier, the Fujian, is nearly complete and could make its maiden voyage soon, experts said on Wednesday, after the warship was briefly featured in a national media report on Tuesday that indicated smooth progress in its mooring tests. "We […] are steadily making progress in mooring tests as planned," Captain Yin Hongxin said on the flight deck of the Fujian, Xinwen Lianbo, the prime time news broadcast of China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Tuesday. In 2024, the goal is to establish combat capabilities as soon as possible and make strides toward achieving the centennial goal of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) in 2027 as scheduled, Yin said. ... Fu Qianshao, a Chinese military aviation expert, told the Global Times that the Fujian is equipped with many new technologies, particularly its electromagnetic catapults system, so it is normal that tests could take longer than the PLA Navy's previous two aircraft carriers, the Liaoning and the Shandong. The tests follow science and putting the carrier into service should not be hurried, Fu said. Nevertheless, many experts reached by the Global Times agreed that the maiden voyage of the Fujian will come soon. Based on the recent catapult tests and the CCTV report, the outfitting work of the Fujian is nearly complete and the mooring tests are approaching the last stages, another Chinese military expert who requested anonymity told the Global Times on Wednesday. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1304729.shtml it takes a lot more than one platform...one Spearfish torpedo and that thing is gone. Edited January 4 by Roman Roady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, shlomo said: I have noticed that both the US and China lie, The US pretends that it has more power than i has, and China hides its strength, these lies come from their culture It's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 26 minutes ago, Roman Roady said: it takes a lot more than one platform...one Spearfish torpedo and that thing is gone. Keep on running, Uncle Shmuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 7 hours ago, zugzwang said: Introducing China's newest carrier F*ck Off, America! China's third aircraft carrier, the Fujian, is nearly complete and could make its maiden voyage soon, experts said on Wednesday, after the warship was briefly featured in a national media report on Tuesday that indicated smooth progress in its mooring tests. "We […] are steadily making progress in mooring tests as planned," Captain Yin Hongxin said on the flight deck of the Fujian, Xinwen Lianbo, the prime time news broadcast of China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Tuesday. In 2024, the goal is to establish combat capabilities as soon as possible and make strides toward achieving the centennial goal of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) in 2027 as scheduled, Yin said. ... Fu Qianshao, a Chinese military aviation expert, told the Global Times that the Fujian is equipped with many new technologies, particularly its electromagnetic catapults system, so it is normal that tests could take longer than the PLA Navy's previous two aircraft carriers, the Liaoning and the Shandong. The tests follow science and putting the carrier into service should not be hurried, Fu said. Nevertheless, many experts reached by the Global Times agreed that the maiden voyage of the Fujian will come soon. Based on the recent catapult tests and the CCTV report, the outfitting work of the Fujian is nearly complete and the mooring tests are approaching the last stages, another Chinese military expert who requested anonymity told the Global Times on Wednesday. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1304729.shtml You know the Yanks have 11 soon to be 12 the size of China's one and the other two are Russian design aircraft cruisers not even the Russiannavy calls carriers. You also have no planes or pilots for the planes trained in carrier operations and it will carry half the airwing of a US equiv, approx the peacetime complement of a UK carrier... of which we have two. Zug you should only try willy waving posts when your old lad ain't a tiddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumble bee Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Zhongzhi Enterprise Group: Chinese shadow bank files for bankruptcy The struggling group reportedly told investors in a letter in November that its liabilities - up to $64bn (£50.6bn) - had outstripped its assets, now estimated at about $38bn. ZEG is a major player in China's shadow banking industry. On Friday, a Beijing court published a statement on the social media network WeChat saying that ZEG's "assets are insufficient to pay off all debts, and it clearly lacks the ability to repay in full". China's shadow banking industry is valued at around $3tn. It often provides a financial lifeline to the country's property sector. The once-booming industry has been hit by a severe credit crunch, with some of the biggest firms now on the brink of financial collapse. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67890633 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 China's youth came of age during a time of huge economic growth. But now, a sense of gloom is hanging around them as the country's economy plateaus. China's slower-than-usual economic growth has put pressure on the country's millennials and Generation Z. Reared by a generation of Chinese who made their wealth during nearly four uninterrupted decades of explosive economic growth, they face much lower expectations for economic dynamism and their own prospects going forward. "China's golden years, the two decades or so after our country's reform and opening-up policies, are over. There's nothing I can do about this. I can only accept it," says 20-year-old Jeffrey An, who is starting a master's degree. Related Story: China's economic woes keep getting worse. Here's why An saw his parents rise from rural poverty to urban wealth, in part by investing in a fast-growing property market: one of the reasons why China grew so quickly in the last four decades. Related Story: The Evergrande Group's Debt Issues Could Be A Drag On China's Economy But for himself, he sees no similar opportunities today. Some of the country's biggest property developers have defaulted and are facing bankruptcy; others have been hobbled by policies that make it harder for them to borrow money. "I probably will not buy any property for now, because I feel the property market will collapse and that collapse will spread to other cities in the future," An says. His disillusionment is in contrast to the optimism of China's previous generations. "The people who are born in the [19]70s and '80s, they feel the future is so bright: All you need is just work hard and get to the next level," says Liqian Ren, a research director at global asset manager WisdomTree. She would know because she was part of that optimistic generation. She got to attend university, move into a big city and, later, study and live abroad. Those entering the job market now face much dimmer prospects. "I think for the younger generation, the wage growth has really significantly slowed down," she says. The average expected salary for young workers graduating from college in 2023 dropped to 8,033 yuan (about $1,160), about $15 lower than the year before. "The expectation has definitely changed for the next generation," says Ren. More young residents are completing university and graduate degrees, but job creation is slowing down. Meanwhile, small and medium-size businesses have been struggling to bounce back after three years of punishing COVID-19 restrictions, which were largely lifted in December 2022. For example, 27-year-old Lin Xiaohua switched to working remotely last year because the company she works for could no longer afford to pay for an office. "I only hope that my company won't be closed," Lin says. Although facing the prospects of a lackluster economy, Lin says she considers herself lucky because she gets to travel while working. Though she is unable to save money, she is not worried because "perhaps you could no longer enjoy this life next year," she said. She is also thankful to still have a job. There is record-high youth unemployment in China; 21% of workers ages 16 to 24 were out of work according to the latest figures, released in July 2023. Shortly after, China's statistics bureau said it would stop issuing youth unemployment figures because they "needed to be improved." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Is there a Chines version of HPC, or do the PTB not like things like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 China achieves 5.2% GDP growth in 2023, successfully meeting yearly target China on Wednesday posted a robust GDP growth of 5.2 percent for 2023, successfully beating the government's pre-set yearly target of around 5 percent. This highlighted the strong internal dynamics of the world's second-largest economy and its significant potential for continuous expansion, even amid a turbulent international macroeconomic environment, continuing to drive global resurgence. The country's economy particularly achieved a standout performance in the fourth quarter, growing 5.2 percent between October and December. Chinese Premier Li Qiang has already projected a 5.2 percent GDP growth for 2023 during a speech at the World Economic Forum (WEF) annual meeting in Davos on Tuesday. Despite factors including a slowdown in the real estate industry, China's economy emerged from the shadows of the pandemic over the past 12 months, achieving a remarkably steady growth. Standout achievements included vibrant services sector spending, substantial investments in high-end manufacturing, and notable advancements in foreign trade activities. These compelling data refuted the continuous attempts by certain foreign media outlets to paint a negative picture of China's economic recovery. Analysts noted that the fundamentals of the Chinese economy remain solid, with new growth drivers continually emerging, while certain risk factors are being steadily addressed by government policies. Despite challenges expected in 2024, there is a positive outlook for the Chinese economy to navigate the choppy waters, ensuring continuous and steady growth. In 2023, China's annual GDP reached 126.06 trillion yuan ($17.52 trillion), registering a 5.2 percent growth compared to the previous year. Despite stiff headwinds, the national economy demonstrated resilience, achieving a new milestone in overall economic development, according to data released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) on Wednesday. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1305536.shtml 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Not so big and getting smaller https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-indicators/article/3248695/chinas-population-falls-208-million-14097-billion-2023-births-tumble-adding-demographic-concerns how do you keep the worlds largest property bubble from bursting in the worlds largest house price crash in a country with rapidly falling population and xenophobia against immigrants which results in smallest number of immigrants of any country to replace said rapidly falling population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 hours ago, zugzwang said: China achieves 5.2% GDP growth in 2023, successfully meeting yearly target China on Wednesday posted a robust GDP growth of 5.2 percent for 2023, successfully beating the government's pre-set yearly target of around 5 percent. This highlighted the strong internal dynamics of the world's second-largest economy and its significant potential for continuous expansion, even amid a turbulent international macroeconomic environment, continuing to drive global resurgence. The country's economy particularly achieved a standout performance in the fourth quarter, growing 5.2 percent between October and December. Chinese Premier Li Qiang has already projected a 5.2 percent GDP growth for 2023 during a speech at the World Economic Forum (WEF) annual meeting in Davos on Tuesday. Despite factors including a slowdown in the real estate industry, China's economy emerged from the shadows of the pandemic over the past 12 months, achieving a remarkably steady growth. Standout achievements included vibrant services sector spending, substantial investments in high-end manufacturing, and notable advancements in foreign trade activities. These compelling data refuted the continuous attempts by certain foreign media outlets to paint a negative picture of China's economic recovery. Analysts noted that the fundamentals of the Chinese economy remain solid, with new growth drivers continually emerging, while certain risk factors are being steadily addressed by government policies. Despite challenges expected in 2024, there is a positive outlook for the Chinese economy to navigate the choppy waters, ensuring continuous and steady growth. In 2023, China's annual GDP reached 126.06 trillion yuan ($17.52 trillion), registering a 5.2 percent growth compared to the previous year. Despite stiff headwinds, the national economy demonstrated resilience, achieving a new milestone in overall economic development, according to data released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) on Wednesday. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1305536.shtml 👍 CCP political party broadcast brought to you by serf whose social score just went up 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Confusion of VIs Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 04/01/2024 at 16:16, shlomo said: I have noticed that both the US and China lie, The US pretends that it has more power than i has, and China hides its strength, these lies come from their culture That's pretty much back to front. The US continually underestimates its power to justify more defence spending. China is exagerating its power to try and intimidate Tiawan. The reality is likely to be very different, Russian level corruption plus relying on Russian tech in most of their weapons doesn't make for an effective military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said: That's pretty much back to front. The US continually underestimates its power to justify more defence spending. China is exagerating its power to try and intimidate Tiawan. The reality is likely to be very different, Russian level corruption plus relying on Russian tech in most of their weapons doesn't make for an effective military. China doesn't need to intimidate Taiwan! Taiwan is a province of China. The Chinese nationalists lost the civil war in 1949 and the issue of Taiwanese sovereignty was resolved forever by a vote in the United Nations in 1971. Which is why the major powers don't formally recognise the insurrectionists or support their claim to independence, and never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said: That's pretty much back to front. The US continually underestimates its power to justify more defence spending. China is exagerating its power to try and intimidate Tiawan. The reality is likely to be very different, Russian level corruption plus relying on Russian tech in most of their weapons doesn't make for an effective military. Keep an eye on Bhutan too as the Indian military were warning China is leaning on them too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will! Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I wonder whether this signifies something: The Register: The chips are down in China as imports see largest ever drop (Context: the global market fell 11% in 2023) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Will! said: I wonder whether this signifies something: The Register: The chips are down in China as imports see largest ever drop (Context: the global market fell 11% in 2023) It signifies that Coma Joe's chip wars aren't working. China is substituting cheap, homegrown alternatives for expensive imports. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1305308.shtml China's IC imports plunge 15.4% in value as semiconductor self-sufficiency accelerates amid US sanctions The US has been tightening restrictions on exports of chips and chip tools to China, including those of Nvidia. But the only result of the US curbs, which are aimed at safeguarding US technology hegemony and violating the principle of fair competition, is to cut American chip giants out of the Chinese market while facilitating Chinese tech companies' shift to local suppliers. Experts noted that as more domestic firms are willing to adopt China-made chips amid concerns about risks from the US, the share of Chinese chipmaking firms in the global market will continue to climb. In December, US Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said that "over the last few years, we've seen potential signs of concerning practices from (China) to expand their firms' legacy chip production and make it harder for US companies to compete," according to a Reuters report. By 2027, China's share in mature process (28nm and older) capacity is expected to reach 39 percent with room for further growth if equipment procurement proceeds smoothly, TrendForce, a leading market intelligence provider, said in a statement sent to the Global Times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 16 hours ago, zugzwang said: It signifies that Coma Joe's chip wars aren't working. China is substituting cheap, homegrown alternatives for expensive imports. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1305308.shtml China's IC imports plunge 15.4% in value as semiconductor self-sufficiency accelerates amid US sanctions The US has been tightening restrictions on exports of chips and chip tools to China, including those of Nvidia. But the only result of the US curbs, which are aimed at safeguarding US technology hegemony and violating the principle of fair competition, is to cut American chip giants out of the Chinese market while facilitating Chinese tech companies' shift to local suppliers. Experts noted that as more domestic firms are willing to adopt China-made chips amid concerns about risks from the US, the share of Chinese chipmaking firms in the global market will continue to climb. In December, US Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said that "over the last few years, we've seen potential signs of concerning practices from (China) to expand their firms' legacy chip production and make it harder for US companies to compete," according to a Reuters report. By 2027, China's share in mature process (28nm and older) capacity is expected to reach 39 percent with room for further growth if equipment procurement proceeds smoothly, TrendForce, a leading market intelligence provider, said in a statement sent to the Global Times. https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/05/huawei_5nm_chip_tsmc/ Global Times meets global reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 China's brutal execution van which captures offenders and kills them on-the-spot China's extensive use of execution vans, a disturbing addition to its array of capital punishment methods, underscores the nation's leading position in state-sanctioned executions. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1862329/china-execution-vans-death-penalty/amp then off to the organ bank , then the pet food factory ? ..Vanocide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 10 hours ago, Saving For a Space Ship said: China's brutal execution van which captures offenders and kills them on-the-spot China's extensive use of execution vans, a disturbing addition to its array of capital punishment methods, underscores the nation's leading position in state-sanctioned executions. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1862329/china-execution-vans-death-penalty/amp then off to the organ bank , then the pet food factory ? ..Vanocide Vanocide- very good 🙂 Yes, I heard about this. I do hope they are using fully electric vans and putting the bodies through a chipper to be used as an environmentally friendly land fertiliser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blobsy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Haven’t seen zug posting for a bit, maybe they’ve been round his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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