The Collapse of Russia. What happens next?

[MerchantNavy]

3 hours ago, Night Tripper said:

Britain actually ended up losing in ww2.

The Battle of Singapore is the obvious and main example.

I would say that was a far greater loss of power than Suez. Today, we can see ourselves as nothing more than a colony of the USA. We transported our gold reserves to USA and our national sovereignty to be occupied by US troops and Air Force until well into 2023. 

 

 

Unfortunately many here don't realise this or simply don't care. We need to break free from the USs grip. They want Europe to be subservient. Europe should be in a better financial state but it's being held back by the US.

[Grayphil]

6 hours ago, MerchantNavy said:

So what you're saying is Russia want to imitate the US by stealing foreign resources?

No. Because this would be stupid.

 

[MerchantNavy]

3 hours ago, Grayphil said:

No. Because this would be stupid.

 

You asked the question, whether Ukraine had resources that Russia wants to get hold off.

[Night Tripper]

13 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said:

You asked the question, whether Ukraine had resources that Russia wants to get hold off.

I wouldn’t bother. Most people who post here are recreating the days of the British empire in their head, where we were locked in an imperial rivalry with Russia. They don’t realise to what extent we’ve become the lapdogs of the United States.

[Will!]

15 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

There is a great piece that Trafalar both made and broke the RN - it made them viewed as a great powerful force, but its mythologising made generations of RN commanders believe initiative was not a substitute for sticking rigidly to a plan.

Dan Snow covered it in his book and how Jutland in WW1 was basically the RN suffering Trafalgar's shadow and not learning lessons.

I remember from Snow's TV series on the history of the Royal Navy that the Victorians had a saying "When the ships were wood, the men were iron.  Now the ships are iron but the men are wood."

Perhaps Russia will reform itself as a more dangerous fighting force after this.

[Grayphil]

46 minutes ago, Night Tripper said:

I wouldn’t bother. Most people who post here are recreating the days of the British empire in their head, where we were locked in an imperial rivalry with Russia. They don’t realise to what extent we’ve become the lapdogs of the United States.

Absolutely no one has mentioned the days of the British empire. 

Happy to be corrected, but could you show one post from anyone, suggesting British imperialism is good?

Your literally just pulling things out of your hoop.

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

Don't like to listen to this guy but he talks about the evidence for the March 2022 peace deal, that was in draft agreement until the UK/US canceled it:

 

For some balance to the Ukraine bro's:

 

 

[70PC]

11 minutes ago, Grayphil said:

Absolutely no one has mentioned the days of the British empire. 

Happy to be corrected, but could you show one post from anyone, suggesting British imperialism is good?

Your literally just pulling things out of your hoop.

The British empire led the effort to abolish slavery. They introduced rules of government which remain in place today in many parts of the world. They brought education, medical services and trade. They were neither wholly good nor wholly bad. 

Night Tripper is a troll. He supports a regime which has the blood on its hands of half a million people.  

[70PC]

3 hours ago, Night Tripper said:

I wouldn’t bother. Most people who post here are recreating the days of the British empire in their head, where we were locked in an imperial rivalry with Russia. They don’t realise to what extent we’ve become the lapdogs of the United States.

Given the choice, would you back the ethics of the British Empire or Putin's regime? Be honest.

[Night Tripper]

On 6/18/2023 at 2:00 PM, 70PC said:

The British empire led the effort to abolish slavery. They introduced rules of government which remain in place today in many parts of the world. They brought education, medical services and trade. They were neither wholly good nor wholly bad. 

Night Tripper is a troll. He supports a regime which has the blood on its hands of half a million people.  

And there we have it.

[Fat Winston]

I'm still ashamed of my government, and not just for destroying the 2022 peace agreement but that's for another day....

 

[Staffsknot]

The desperate lies that Zelensky was about to sign a peace deal only seem to surface when Russiais going backwards

[Night Tripper]

10 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

The desperate lies that Zelensky was about to sign a peace deal only seem to surface when Russiais going backwards

the counter offensive has dribbled away into nothing. The next option to end ths stupidity should be for Russia to drop a nuclear warhead over a Ukrainian population centre. NATO will collectively crap themselves at the thought of having to respond in kind and the conflict wiill (thankfully) be over

[Staffsknot]

I see we are at the nuclear wibble stage.

The deployment of a nuclear weapon on a population centre would fall under the indiscriminate killing of civilians and unnecessary suffering, breaching IHL and Geneva convention - leading to extreme response to Russia and the leaders being tried for war crimes after the international community was forced to act.

It is a given that the use of nuclear weapons would force a response from the international community and such a genocidal outrage would spur Ukranians on to fight not bring peace. There can be no peace with such barbaric genocidal acts.

Only a fool would think otherwise

[Grayphil]

1 hour ago, Night Tripper said:

the counter offensive has dribbled away into nothing. The next option to end ths stupidity should be for Russia to drop a nuclear warhead over a Ukrainian population centre. NATO will collectively crap themselves at the thought of having to respond in kind and the conflict wiill (thankfully) be over

What a load of drivel.

Least you aren't hiding your lust for genocide.

Why would the solution to end this stupidity not be for Russia to leave?

Why on earth would you think wiping out Ukrainian citizens is the next logical step?

 

[Night Tripper]

1 hour ago, Grayphil said:

What a load of drivel.

Least you aren't hiding your lust for genocide.

Why would the solution to end this stupidity not be for Russia to leave?

Why on earth would you think wiping out Ukrainian citizens is the next logical step?

 

Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[Night Tripper]

2 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

I see we are at the nuclear wibble stage.

The deployment of a nuclear weapon on a population centre would fall under the indiscriminate killing of civilians and unnecessary suffering, breaching IHL and Geneva convention - leading to extreme response to Russia and the leaders being tried for war crimes after the international community was forced to act.

It is a given that the use of nuclear weapons would force a response from the international community and such a genocidal outrage would spur Ukranians on to fight not bring peace. There can be no peace with such barbaric genocidal acts.

Only a fool would think otherwise

How exactly do you intend to enter Russia, force their surrender and seize the leadership and bring them to trial?

this isn’t Iraq or Libya - you cannot just walk into much less threaten a country with the largest nuclear  arsenal in the world 

[rollover]

3 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

I see we are at the nuclear wibble stage.

The deployment of a nuclear weapon on a population centre would fall under the indiscriminate killing of civilians and unnecessary suffering, breaching IHL and Geneva convention - leading to extreme response to Russia and the leaders being tried for war crimes after the international community was forced to act.

It is a given that the use of nuclear weapons would force a response from the international community and such a genocidal outrage would spur Ukranians on to fight not bring peace. There can be no peace with such barbaric genocidal acts.

Only a fool would think otherwise

The USA remains the only country to have used nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

What a hypocrite you are, hiding behind Geneva convention, IHL, international community ...

 

[Riedquat]

40 minutes ago, Night Tripper said:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki

A ridiculous comparison. What do you think Japan's response would've been if it also had nuclear weapons at the time? Very different then, when Japan had no response, and the idea that such a use of nuclear weapons was a line that cannot be tolerated to cross did not exist.

You need to engage your brain a bit and realise when you're comparing like with like and when you're not. I know that's a hard thing to do for the type of moron who loathes having to think, preferring to be told what to think.

Really you just sound, like others have pointed out, like someone who really wants to see mass murder, and is too stupid to understand where doing so would lead. What a disgusting excuse of a human being you are.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Riedquat

[Night Tripper]

17 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

A ridiculous comparison. What do you think Japan's response would've been if it also had nuclear weapons at the time? Very different then, when Japan had no response, and the idea that such a use of nuclear weapons was a line that cannot be tolerated to cross did not exist.

You need to engage your brain a bit and realise when you're comparing like with like and when you're not. I know that's a hard thing to do for the type of moron who loathes having to think, preferring to be told what to think.

Really you just sound, like others have pointed out, like someone who really wants to see mass murder, and is too stupid to understand where doing so would lead. What a disgusting excuse of a human being you are.

So Ukraine has nukes now? Maybe it does actually …..

[Riedquat]

51 minutes ago, Night Tripper said:

So Ukraine has nukes now? Maybe it does actually …..

Let me repeat - you need to engage your brain a bit. Understand why you've posted a facepalm-category response there.

[Night Tripper]

16 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Let me repeat - you need to engage your brain a bit. Understand why you've posted a facepalm-category response there.

Very different then, when Japan had no response

 

Who is going to respond exactly? and how?

[Staffsknot]

To the hypocrite Rollover:

- Hiroshima was a military target it was the HQ of the defence forces of Japan and major logistics base.

- Nagasaki was a military target it was a major shipyard and arms plant, but was actually the B target as Kokura was the intended attack that was scrubbed.

In WW2 the levels of destrution allowed under the then IHL is prohibited now - bombing of civilians like Russia does now were allowed.

Many weaons used then are now banned.

So maybe Rollover you should learn some facts before making a fool of yourself some more.

[Staffsknot]

NightTripper - the international community like they are obligated to.

Putin knows this it would be the end of his regime

[Night Tripper]

5 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

To the hypocrite Rollover:

- Hiroshima was a military target it was the HQ of the defence forces of Japan and major logistics base.

- Nagasaki was a military target it was a major shipyard and arms plant, but was actually the B target as Kokura was the intended attack that was scrubbed.

In WW2 the levels of destrution allowed under the then IHL is prohibited now - bombing of civilians like Russia does now were allowed.

Many weaons used then are now banned.

So maybe Rollover you should learn some facts before making a fool of yourself some more.

Kiev no doubt is the HQ of the Ukro army, houses military equipment so on your grounds its a legit target.

Im not related in any way to him, and you have made a fool of yourself completely here by suggesting that NATO or any foreign troops are going to march to Moscow and seize/replace Putin.