Fat Winston Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, 2023crash said: You keep asking for other people to run around appeasing you. How about you respond to the huge number of links on right wing party contributions that Jonb2 listed earlier today? You appear to have lost all the arguments and are now resorting to trolling. yes it appears I have lost all the arguments whitest no arguing with anybody, please explain what I have done that can be described as trolling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Tripper Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Most people here are warmongers who can’t wait for ww3 to commence. I suspect most of the neocons and City of London who are in charge have the same view. However when it comes down to it, nato is too weak to get directly involved. For Russia, they are fighting this as it really is at this point - a regional level in the south west corner of the country. I stick to my view that is likely to go nuclear at some point as nato in desperation to seize some perceived initiative, overstep the mark forcing the obliteration of at least Lvov. What happens after that likely means the end of Europe as we know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Winston Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Night Tripper said: Most people here are warmongers who can’t wait for ww3 to commence. I suspect most of the neocons and City of London who are in charge have the same view. However when it comes down to it, nato is too weak to get directly involved. For Russia, they are fighting this as it really is at this point - a regional level in the south west corner of the country. I stick to my view that is likely to go nuclear at some point as nato in desperation to seize some perceived initiative, overstep the mark forcing the obliteration of at least Lvov. What happens after that likely means the end of Europe as we know it. If this conflict goes nuclear and it could, it would be the end of the world as we know it, if your unlucky enough to survive it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartelbe Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 12 hours ago, Night Tripper said: The UK and more specifically the city of London are more or less driving the whole Ukronazi regime in the war at this point, I would assume we would be right at the top of the hit list, if it came to it. Oh do ******off with that nazi ********. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 10 hours ago, Grayphil said: Isn't that his job? And he is doing a great job of it. It was in response to Staffsnot commenting about Russia begging from NK. Didn't make sense since Ukraine is doing same on a bigger scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Night Tripper said: Most people here are warmongers who can’t wait for ww3 to commence. I suspect most of the neocons and City of London who are in charge have the same view. However when it comes down to it, nato is too weak to get directly involved. For Russia, they are fighting this as it really is at this point - a regional level in the south west corner of the country. I stick to my view that is likely to go nuclear at some point as nato in desperation to seize some perceived initiative, overstep the mark forcing the obliteration of at least Lvov. What happens after that likely means the end of Europe as we know it. I've been saying that since day one. Seems we have too many vested interests in the defence industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Just now, MerchantNavy said: It was in response to Staffsnot commenting about Russia begging from NK. Didn't make sense since Ukraine is doing same on a bigger scale. Russia invaded, bit stupid invading in the first place, however must be quite the shock to the Russians having to beg to N.K and Iran, after getting a spanking in Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Fat Winston said: If this conflict goes nuclear and it could, it would be the end of the world as we know it, if your unlucky enough to survive it.... I take that with a pinch of salt. An attempt to use nuclear weapons would lead to the swift removal of Putin. Russia does have rational people in that decision process. If it did happen, a nuclear response seems extremely unlikely. The removal of Russia's nuclear capability by conventional means would be certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Just now, MerchantNavy said: I've been saying that since day one. Seems we have too many vested interests in the defence industry. You have, however I'm pretty sure your spin is that Russia is justified in what its doing cos of NATO expansion, which is ridiculous. If Nuclear bombs/power plants start going off, its solely at Russias feet. They could end this anytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayphil Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Night Tripper said: Most people here are warmongers who can’t wait for ww3 to commence. I suspect most of the neocons and City of London who are in charge have the same view. However when it comes down to it, nato is too weak to get directly involved. For Russia, they are fighting this as it really is at this point - a regional level in the south west corner of the country. I stick to my view that is likely to go nuclear at some point as nato in desperation to seize some perceived initiative, overstep the mark forcing the obliteration of at least Lvov. What happens after that likely means the end of Europe as we know it. Err this is a wee bit genocidal.. you are now cheerleading Russia to nuke a city with a population of nearly 1 million, that is no where near the front line. Is it because its near to the Polish Border? You are proving the Russian mindset, they don't just want a bit of Ukraine, they want all of it, along witb Poland, east Germany and the Baltics.. Interesting that you are so openly callig for nukes, guess Russia really is running out of weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2023crash Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Fat Winston said: yes it appears I have lost all the arguments whitest no arguing with anybody, please explain what I have done that can be described as trolling? This site is frustrating with its lack of moderation. Please can everybody report trolls in the hope that something is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moderators Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, 2023crash said: This site is frustrating with its lack of moderation. Please can everybody report trolls in the hope that something is done. Please don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2023crash Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Moderators said: Please don't. Can I ask why not? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 10 hours ago, Staffsknot said: Gladly Putin was thought of as a master strategist who pulled strings and out thought others by many - he was the 'strongman' Now he largely cannot travel or project on the world stage - see South Africa looking to pull out of hosting an event rather than inevitably having to honour an international warrant. He has been openly questioned by subordinates, something previously unheard of and thought impossible - Prigozhen and Kadyrov as well as on state TV by hardliners He has had his short term special military operation convert into a long and costly war in which a pride of Russia flagship was lost embarrassingly. He has miscalculated badly the West response and lost face to China, who rebuked Russia at one point and only stand behind him now as China can't face Russia falling over and all NATO and Western focus swinging to the Pacific. Putin has repeatedly sacked subordinates then taken 'overall command' personally... with no change in outcome. He has managed to expand NATO The leaders of the 'stans recently showed they no longer view Russia as the hegeon power and look to China more - especially Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. Putin was rebuked by Tokayev, then man who Putin had helped to power, in Kazakhstan. They also welcomed fleeing Russians escaping cnscription, refused to return them and turned off several Russian stations for propaganda... while courting China and the West. Astana is the 2nd biggest player in the Russia Eurasian trading bloc and Russi had to ask them to ship its oil to China after threatening it with economic blocks. For the Stans to challengeor rebuke Russia is a massive sign of how trashed the Russian power has been. How's that grab you for a starter for 10 or you just going to ignore this. Perfectly on target, like the bomb that turned the Kursk Bridge into a couple of pleasure piers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Tripper Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, 2023crash said: Can I ask why not? Thanks Boo hoo. You can’t handle views opposed to yours so like a small child goes crying off to mummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Fat Winston said: Please post the links to where you got you information I would really apprentice it. Alan Sugar fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Fat Winston said: yes it appears I have lost all the arguments whitest no arguing with anybody, please explain what I have done that can be described as trolling? My God, it's clear at last, you're a whit(e)st. A fascist with a whitewash agenda. A weak man with a faded picture of Goebbels in your locket and the teeth of a Ukrainian child in your pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 10 hours ago, Fat Winston said: Yes please proved the evidence for these war crimes. Russians torture Ukrainians until 'organs explode:’ report - English Section - polskieradio.pl https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/9766/artykul/2952376,russians-torture-ukrainians-until-organs-explode’-report Ukraine’s SBU finds another Russian torture chamber in liberated Kharkiv Oblast https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-sbu-finds-another-russian-125900085.html?guccounter=1 Ukraine says children’s cell found inside Russian ‘torture chamber’ | South China Morning Post https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3203348/ukraine-says-childrens-cell-found-inside-russian-torture-chamber 'Mini Auschwitz': Ukraine claims to find Russian 'torture chamber' https://nypost.com/2022/10/05/mini-auschwitz-ukraine-claims-to-find-russian-torture-chamber/ Another Russian torture chamber discovered in Kupyansk https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3576543-another-russian-torture-chamber-discovered-in-kupyansk.html Ukraine uncovers children's torture chamber set up by Putin's troops | Daily Mail Online https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11538691/Ukraine-uncovers-childrens-torture-chamber-set-Putins-troops.html Released Ukrainian PoWs reveal the brutal treatment meted out by their Russian captors | World | The Sunday Times https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/released-ukrainian-pows-reveal-the-brutal-treatment-meted-out-by-their-russian-captors-0d56d0ncq Russian military ‘overseers’ believed to issue the orders to torture hostages in Donbas https://khpg.org/en/1526430509 Burned corpses and claims of a ‘torture chamber’: Here’s what we know about alleged war crimes in Bucha, Ukraine | The Star https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2022/04/06/burned-corpses-and-claims-of-a-torture-chamber-heres-what-we-know-about-alleged-war-crimes-in-bucha-ukraine.html Bodies of 5 killed by Russians found in ‘torture chamber’ in Bucha: Ukraine official | Al Arabiya English https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/04/Bodies-of-5-men-with-hands-tied-found-in-a-basement-in-Bucha-Ukraine-s-prosecutor- 10 Russian torture chambers found in liberated areas: Ukrainian police | TVP World https://tvpworld.com/62798009/10-russian-torture-chambers-found-in-liberated-areas-ukrainian-police Full Metal Torture https://www.vice.com/en/article/gqdx44/full-v13n4 Systematic torture in the Ukrainian city of Kherson during the Russian occupation https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/12/06/systematic-torture-in-the-ukrainian-city-of-kherson-during-the-russian-occupation_6006765_4.html Reports of abuse, torture emerge as Russia retreats from Kherson - Portland Press Herald https://www.pressherald.com/2022/11/15/reports-of-abuse-torture-emerge-as-russia-retreats-from-kherson/ Ukraine discovers four 'horrific' Russian torture sites in Kherson amid Russian withdrawal | World | News | Express.co.uk https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1699736/Ukraine-Kherson-torture-sites-General-Prosecutor-Russia-Kyiv-Moscow-ont Russian mercenaries accused of torture and killings of civilians in Central African Republic - The Globe and Mail https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-russian-mercenaries-accused-of-torture-and-killings-of-civilians-in/ Ukraine prosecutor says four suspected Russian torture sites found in Kherson • FRANCE 24 English - YouTube Ukraine War: Civilian recounts Russian torture - YouTube Ukrainian police discover 25 Russian torture camps https://punchng.com/ukrainian-police-discover-25-russian-torture-camps/ Ukraine authorities uncover 'torture chamber' in formerly Russia occupied region - JURIST - News https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/01/ukraine-authorities-uncover-torture-chamber-in-formerly-russia-occupied-region/ 'Torment of Hell': Ukraine Medic Describes Russian Torture https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-09-15/medic-russians-tortured-ukrainian-detainees-often-to-death Box of teeth found in torture chamber as Vladimir Putin’s forces retreat | Evening Standard https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/box-teeth-found-russian-torture-chamber-vladimir-putin-ukraine-war-b1030344.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70PC Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Night Tripper said: Boo hoo. You can’t handle views opposed to yours so like a small child goes crying off to mummy Russia is a great country with many good people. Unfortunately, that country has been undermined by a dysfunctional minority who lack respect for the law, humanity and civilised values. Contributions from you and a few others on this website are childish but personally I don't mind them. They remind us of why we need to lend our full support to Ukraine and decent people in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Fat Winston said: here is a quote from the article you linked, if you had read it you would definitely not have liked to it. It says exactly what I said - now you explain how that disagrees in any way, because it does not. If you had read it you would not have quoted it to refute. Now for reference your posts are looking like bad attempts to discredit that fall flat on their arse. Much like youdon't understand the difference between a stated fact, evidence and a reference - references are only required for direct quotes. I can state a fact like my car is blue, I do not need to link referencial evidence for it still to be a fact, I do not need a link to my blue car for it to be true. Just like you were provided acres of context and evidence to support statements but seemed to not grasp what it was as it wasn't a newspaper link. Now you seem not to be able to read those. So now state how that 10 hours ago, Staffsknot said: in June wile sat next to Putin in St Petersburg he rejected Russian calls to recognize Ukr Separatist regions as part of Russia. Is different to this quote you lifted from the article 9 hours ago, Fat Winston said: Tokayev publicly clashed with Putin on a visit to St. Petersburg in June, criticizing Moscow's move to recognize Ukrainian separatist regions that the Kremlin has since claimed to have annexed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Grayphil said: Err this is a wee bit genocidal.. you are now cheerleading Russia to nuke a city with a population of nearly 1 million, that is no where near the front line. Is it because its near to the Polish Border? You are proving the Russian mindset, they don't just want a bit of Ukraine, they want all of it, along witb Poland, east Germany and the Baltics.. Interesting that you are so openly callig for nukes, guess Russia really is running out of weapons He used Ukronazi - from Russian Ukronaci which tells you wghere Tripper has emerged from / news comes from. Its a Russian term not widespread in West except amongst Russian speakers and Russian info channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, jonb2 said: Perfectly on target, like the bomb that turned the Kursk Bridge into a couple of pleasure piers. Ta but obviouslty they didn't readany of it and even when provided a link stating the very same fact they blew it. Its like a chatbot conversation Edited June 16, 2023 by Staffsknot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Modswould this be better in the Current Affairs section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2023crash Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: Thanks Mods Likewise, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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